How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 11)

[Earthdweller]

Boris and Varadkar to meet in Dublin at the beginning of September

Apparently they spoke for over an hour on the phone this evening

Oh to be a fly on the wall to that call

https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/boris-j...

Edited by Earthdweller on Monday 19th August 19:50

[amusingduck]

Brooking10 said:

amusingduck said:

Brooking10 said:

amusingduck said:

what's the point of that edit? No point softening the blow, just say what you mean

Ok I think you and subsequent posters have proven to be massive pricks as regards the position taken when corresponding with somebody who says he is potentially losing his job as a corollary of Brexit.

I have little doubt people here wouldn’t express themselves in such a way if this was a discussion in a pub.

ETA - you have to be one seriously fked up individual to take to the internet and write “boo fking hoo” under a man’s post bemoaning his potential loss of livelihood because he voted a different way to you.

These are the type of neanderthals who make it easy for people to cast insults at the hardcore leave faction.

Edited by Brooking10 on Monday 19th August 19:24

The position taken was in response to someone losing their job and saying this is your fault, explain yourself.

I highly doubt that if this were a pub, someone would announce to half the pub/table that it's their fault, and would you like to come and explain to my children what the fk you thought you were playing at, balls to all of you.

I have every sympathy for people who will go through hardship as a result of this change. It evaporates once they take the stance lrdisco has.

I know on PH everybody likes to think binary and say "but that wouldn't happen though" but ......

Alternatively you could act like most decent blokes would and appreciate that there is a degree of underlying emotion involved.

I know PH is a bit of a hard knocks place and we're all either extremely tough or highly principled or impervious to what others might think but sometimes it's just better to say nothing.

If the emotion argument holds weight, then it goes both ways, or not at all.

I don't accept your moral highground argument, as you've done the same to me as I've done to lrdisco. You also could have been the bigger man, but chose not to, as did I. I think that's fine, we wouldn't have had this enjoyable debate otherwise - and handbags on PH is completely meaningless in the grand scheme of things

[banjowilly]

It's not completely meaningless though. It helps mark out the emotionally retarded, reactionary st flingers unable to move beyond the most atavistic automatic reflexes & that, frankly is a useful public service.

[anonymous-user]

lrdisco said:

So to all the doubters. I changed sectors due to nearly loosing everything in 2008 and being sick of working for myself.
Not saying on a public forum which niche but working all over Northern Europe.
So instead of looking at my previous posts tell me what is to be gained for me and my family.
I’m happy to pm or email anyone who really is interested.
Tell me please what I should do? I really am at a loss.
You all know the answers so tell me what to do.
Oh yes it’s not just dropped on me but the whole BJ leave at any cost is a new one.
Some on here have all the answers. So give me an answer.

Do what everyone else has had to do whilst UK were EU members where certain UK sectors have been decimated. Adapt to the new environment.

[lrdisco]

All the keyboard warriors on here not one of you has contacted me and to be honest I know 100% not one of you would say “Boo Hoo” to my face.
I’ll be ok. I’ll manage. You don’t care about me and my family, I get that.
I have to accept the vote. I just want to know what is the upside?

To those that have said there’s loads of construction work. There is but again my knees and shoulders are fooooked.
Listen again. I can not do it physically anymore.

I understand that my issues are not important to the nation but to me it’s all I care about. I do not care about taking back control etc.
I was doing well as was the rest of the country as far as I could see but a very small majority of those that voted chose to leave. Not a majority of the electorate.
That’s a bizarre way of conducting democracy.

[anonymous-user]

amusingduck said:

If the emotion argument holds weight, then it goes both ways, or not at all.

I don't accept your moral highground argument, as you've done the same to me as I've done to lrdisco. You also could have been the bigger man, but chose not to, as did I. I think that's fine, we wouldn't have had this enjoyable debate otherwise - and handbags on PH is completely meaningless in the grand scheme of things

You don’t have to accept it but for clarity the “emotions” bit was in direct reference to how somebody feels in the event of hearing news of the nature under discussion.

I don’t recall ever telling you that I had no sympathy for you potentially losing your job or indeed blaming you for not doing enough to mitigate any other genuinely serious misfortune that might have befallen you or your family.

Could you remind me where I did so I can apologise ?

[amusingduck]

banjowilly said:

It's not completely meaningless though. It helps mark out the emotionally retarded, reactionary st flingers unable to move beyond the most atavistic automatic reflexes & that, frankly is a useful public service.

Oh? What are you going to do with that information?

[anonymous-user]

jsf said:

Do what everyone else has had to do whilst UK were EU members where certain UK sectors have been decimated. Adapt to the new environment.

Which U.K. industry sectors were decimated as a result of EU membership ?

[alfie2244]

Brooking10 said:

Which U.K. industry sectors were decimated as a result of EU membership ?

Fishing? Just asking nicely

[skahigh]

Boris has written to Donald

Link

[anonymous-user]

alfie2244 said:

Fishing? Just asking nicely

You done your homework on the concentration of U.K. fishing rights Alf ? We have created greater inequity for independent fisherman in that area than the EU

[amusingduck]

Brooking10 said:

amusingduck said:

If the emotion argument holds weight, then it goes both ways, or not at all.

I don't accept your moral highground argument, as you've done the same to me as I've done to lrdisco. You also could have been the bigger man, but chose not to, as did I. I think that's fine, we wouldn't have had this enjoyable debate otherwise - and handbags on PH is completely meaningless in the grand scheme of things

You don’t have to accept it but for clarity the “emotions” bit was in direct reference to how somebody feels in the event of hearing news of the nature under discussion.

I don’t recall ever telling you that I had no sympathy for you potentially losing your job or indeed blaming you for not doing enough to mitigate any other genuinely serious misfortune that might have befallen you or your family.

Could you remind me where I did so I can apologise ?

Yes, those were the emotions you had in mind. I extended the logic to include my emotional response to him, and your response to me. Or would you argue that you considering people to be massive pricks, and posting accordingly, was a completely emotionless response?

I wouldn't dream of expecting anyone's sympathy, nor would it be anyone's fault but my own for not mitigating the circumstances, regardless of how I voted. That encapsulates my thinking on the matter, the results are the results, and you're responsible for acting accordingly - not blaming the people who felt best to vote for those results. By all means criticise, rant and moan about the actions being taken - it's fine to rage about Corbyn's policies - but not to rage against the people who voted for him with the best of intentions. In both cases, it's not only "their fault" for making the choice, it's the failings of the other side to provide compelling reasons not to do it.

[anonymous-user]

amusingduck said:

Yes, those were the emotions you had in mind. I extended the logic to include my emotional response to him, and your response to me. Or would you argue that you considering people to be massive pricks, and posting accordingly, was a completely emotionless response?

I wouldn't dream of expecting anyone's sympathy, nor would it be anyone's fault but my own for not mitigating the circumstances, regardless of how I voted. That encapsulates my thinking on the matter, the results are the results, and you're responsible for acting accordingly - not blaming the people who felt best to vote for those results. By all means criticise, rant and moan about the actions being taken - it's fine to rage about Corbyn's policies - but not to rage against the people who voted for him with the best of intentions. In both cases, it's not only "their fault" for making the choice, it's the failings of the other side to provide compelling reasons not to do it.

For clarity I am very sanguine about the fact that your response to the chap who thinks he’s going to lose his job is that of a massive prick.

[anonymous-user]

Brooking10 said:

jsf said:

Do what everyone else has had to do whilst UK were EU members where certain UK sectors have been decimated. Adapt to the new environment.

Which U.K. industry sectors were decimated as a result of EU membership ?

Stop doing a cathy Newman.

I didnt blame the EU, i stated that whilst EU members UK employment patterns have changed massively, with both positive and negative effects.

You have to adapt to any new environment.

I left school in 1982 right at the peak of the industrial decimation in northern England, i know perfectly well how tough change can be for some people.

Adapt, dont complain and sink into depression is the best thing you can do for you and yours.

To ask random people on a forum what you specifically should do, whilst insulting them, isn't very productive.

[Gecko1978]

lrdisco said:

All the keyboard warriors on here not one of you has contacted me and to be honest I know 100% not one of you would say “Boo Hoo” to my face.
I’ll be ok. I’ll manage. You don’t care about me and my family, I get that.
I have to accept the vote. I just want to know what is the upside?

To those that have said there’s loads of construction work. There is but again my knees and shoulders are fooooked.
Listen again. I can not do it physically anymore.

I understand that my issues are not important to the nation but to me it’s all I care about. I do not care about taking back control etc.
I was doing well as was the rest of the country as far as I could see but a very small majority of those that voted chose to leave. Not a majority of the electorate.
That’s a bizarre way of conducting democracy.

truth is I feel.bad for you but I would feel bad if you told me you worked at say BHS when it went bust, or Woolworths when it collapsed etc. No one wants you to loose your job an voting leave did not entail that (no one could have known).

But Just as people vote Labour and we are stuck with it for 4 years so did.people vote for Brexit. When it's over at the next election vote Lib Dem see if they will bring us back in etc. In the mean time look for new work I wish you the best with that I am sure everyone does

[alfie2244]

Brooking10 said:

alfie2244 said:

Fishing? Just asking nicely

You done your homework on the concentration of U.K. fishing rights Alf ? We have created greater inequity for independent fisherman in that area than the EU

CFP did not exist until Britain joined the EU............but you are right, industries of national importance to other member states France wine, German cars etc have never been willingly reduced by their own politicians....... clear other member states do all they can to protect important sections of their own economy and heritage, while British politicians willingly gave ours away.

The CFP was a major disaster for our fleets IIRC but it won't be long before we get away from UK policies emanating from the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.

[Nickgnome]

jsf said:

Stop doing a cathy Newman.

I didnt blame the EU, i stated that whilst EU members UK employment patterns have changed massively, with both positive and negative effects.

You have to adapt to any new environment.

I left school in 1982 right at the peak of the industrial decimation in northern England, i know perfectly well how tough change can be for some people.

Adapt, dont complain and sink into depression is the best thing you can do for you and yours.

To ask random people on a forum what you specifically should do, whilst insulting them, isn't very productive.

There are still a few pubs in the valleys where it would be very inadvisable to state what you’ve just said.

I thought you said there was no ‘yours’ and you spent your life as a singleton. Was I mistaken?

[amusingduck]

Brooking10 said:

For clarity I am very sanguine about the fact that your response to the chap who thinks he’s going to lose his job is that of a massive prick.

sanguine: optimistic or positive, especially in an apparently bad or difficult situation.

I don't get it.

[Nickgnome]

Brooking10 said:

alfie2244 said:

Fishing? Just asking nicely

You done your homework on the concentration of U.K. fishing rights Alf ? We have created greater inequity for independent fisherman in that area than the EU

The French have a very substantial and growing coastal fishing fleet that do not come anywhere near our waters and stay their side of the traffic separation zone.

The Eu is not responsible for UK decisions.

[anonymous-user]

Nickgnome said:

There are still a few pubs in the valleys where it would be very inadvisable to state what you’ve just said.

I thought you said there was no ‘yours’ and you spent your life as a singleton. Was I mistaken?

I was referring to his "yours"

And why do you think a single bloke doesnt have other important people and family in their lives?