How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 11)

[amusingduck]

DeepEnd said:

DExEU came up with the “May/Robbins” deal.

Source for that absolute whopper?

[DeepEnd]

AJL308 said:

The revocation of Article 50 itself must be “submitted in writing to the European Council”, and it must be “unequivocal and unconditional”. That the revocation must be unequivocal implies that the UK could not revoke to get a breathing space in order to prepare better to resend the Article 50 notification in due course.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explaine...

Whilst that is true, legally there is nothing to stop and unconditional revoke action, and then submitting a new separate art 50 declaration later.

We just look like even bigger idiots, but it would be legal.

[DeepEnd]

amusingduck said:

DeepEnd said:

DExEU came up with the “May/Robbins” deal.

Source for that absolute whopper?

It’s obvious.

Are you really suggesting that DExEU was not involved at all?

Source? “Davis scuttling away” rofl:

[amusingduck]

DeepEnd said:

amusingduck said:

DeepEnd said:

DExEU came up with the “May/Robbins” deal.

Source for that absolute whopper?

It’s obvious.

Are you really suggesting that DExEU was not involved at all?

Source? “Davis scuttling away” rofl:

This is you AICMFP

[s2art]

DeepEnd said:

amusingduck said:

DeepEnd said:

DExEU came up with the “May/Robbins” deal.

Source for that absolute whopper?

It’s obvious.

Are you really suggesting that DExEU was not involved at all?

Source? “Davis scuttling away” rofl:

Seriously? You dont remember the Chequers farce?

[andymadmak]

amusingduck said:

DeepEnd said:

DExEU came up with the “May/Robbins” deal.

Source for that absolute whopper?

There won't be one. Because pretending that DExU came up with the May Robbins deal is the only way that Deepend can get out of accepting that May Robbins was a Remainer stitch up, and that as such alll the time wasted, and all the issues we face today as a result of that can be laid firmly at the door of Remain.

I expect an icey blast through hell before Deepend will admit to his lie.

[DeepEnd]

s2art said:

Seriously? You dont remember the Chequers farce?

Of course.

Do you think it was not one of the options being considered by the Dept responsible for Brexit?

[anonymous-user]

Looks like Mutti has accepted ramping up of the timescale

[Elysium]

andymadmak said:

amusingduck said:

DeepEnd said:

DExEU came up with the “May/Robbins” deal.

Source for that absolute whopper?

There won't be one. Because pretending that DExU came up with the May Robbins deal is the only way that Deepend can get out of accepting that May Robbins was a Remainer stitch up, and that as such alll the time wasted, and all the issues we face today as a result of that can be laid firmly at the door of Remain.

I expect an icey blast through hell before Deepend will admit to his lie.

Why does it matter?

I blame May, but I don’t know what you hope to achieve by extending this to include an undefined collective of ‘remainers’?

I voted remain and I am 100% certain none of this is my fault.

And do you really think that ‘all the issues we face today’ are the fault of this nebulous ‘remain’? I find it hard to imagine that anyone could claim that.

[banjowilly]

digimeistter said:

Looks like Mutti has insisted on a ramping up of the timescale

I made that actually accurate for everyone, Spinderella.

[deadslow]

andymadmak said:

....... May Robbins was a Remainer stitch up, and that as such alll the time wasted, and all the issues we face today as a result of that can be laid firmly at the door of Remain.

.........

Idiotic.

Its a mess. It was poorly conceived and even more poorly executed. A simple disaster of a government which could not implement its policy and a party too busy kicking the st out of each other to care.

[DeepEnd]

deadslow said:

Idiotic.

Its a mess. It was poorly conceived and even more poorly executed. A simple disaster of a government which could not implement its policy and a party too busy kicking the st out of each other to care.

Can’t see the wood for the trees, can they?

Which is why many voted for it.

[NoNeed]

DeepEnd said:

deadslow said:

Idiotic.

Its a mess. It was poorly conceived and even more poorly executed. A simple disaster of a government which could not implement its policy and a party too busy kicking the st out of each other to care.

Can’t see the wood for the trees, can they?

Which is why many voted for it.

You forget it was a typical conceited arrogant remainer that knew he couldn't lose and what everybody else wanted that started this

[AJL308]

So, the EU has tonight gone from "the backstop is absolutely, totally and utterly non-negotiable" to"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49427674

"At a press conference ahead of a working dinner, the German chancellor said a realistic alternative to the plan would require "absolute clarity" on the post-Brexit future relationship between the UK and the EU."

[andymadmak]

Elysium said:

Why does it matter?

I blame May, but I don’t know what you hope to achieve by extending this to include an undefined collective of ‘remainers’?

I voted remain and I am 100% certain none of this is my fault.

And do you really think that ‘all the issues we face today’ are the fault of this nebulous ‘remain’? I find it hard to imagine that anyone could claim that.

Actually, you make a fair point. I should not group all Remain supporters under one umbrella. I apologise. I'm afraid the bare faced lies of Deepend et al tend to swamp a reasonable debate from time to time.

And you're also right. Jot all the issues we face today are Remains fault per se. Some are a consequence of trying to leave what has turned out to be the political equivalent of Hotel California.

I certainly do not regret voting for leave, and would do so again. I do regret believing that May would embrace the Exit job that she assured the country she had signed up to do. There were always going to be problems with Brexit. I genuinely don't know anyone who voted Brexit who thought it would be a hassle free, rainbows and lollipops process. But there can be zero doubt in my mind that May's attempt at Brino carries a mighty responsibility for where we are now.

[Le Controleur Horizontal]

DeepEnd said:

Le Controleur Horizontal said:

Blame ???????? I am asking YOU to tell me WHO to blame....so: Please list those Leave Ministers who where involved in making the May/Robbins/Merkel deal

Davis, Fox etc. - DExEU came up with the “May/Robbins” deal. It was not their first choice, probably their 3/4th backup deal but having failed dismally at the others they swung it into action. The backstop came later of course which some now say is the only snag.

Of course Davis denied having anything to do with it so he could scuttle away blame free. Why aren’t you angry at that useless turd instead? He told you this was a good idea - he duped you. Don’t make it worse by blaming someone else - that means he will have mugged you twice.

Good post


Bubble Life

andymadmak said:

Actually, you make a fair point. I should not group all Remain supporters under one umbrella. I apologise. I'm afraid the bare faced lies of Deepend et al tend to swamp a reasonable debate from time to time.

And you're also right. Jot all the issues we face today are Remains fault per se. Some are a consequence of trying to leave what has turned out to be the political equivalent of Hotel California.

I certainly do not regret voting for leave, and would do so again. I do regret believing that May would embrace the Exit job that she assured the country she had signed up to do. There were always going to be problems with Brexit. I genuinely don't know anyone who voted Brexit who thought it would be a hassle free, rainbows and lollipops process. But there can be zero doubt in my mind that May's attempt at Brino carries a mighty responsibility for where we are now.

This will do for my thinking on today's situation as well.

Edited by Le Controleur Horizontal on Wednesday 21st August 19:47

[andymadmak]

DeepEnd said:

Can’t see the wood for the trees, can they?

Which is why many voted for it.

Any evidence yet to support your statement that the May-Robbins plan was actually a DExU plan?

Or are we back to 'the look on Carlos Ghosn's face' levels of delusion?

[deadslow]

NoNeed said:

.... typical conceited arrogant remainer.....

chum, you are in danger of sounding a bit like a radicalised teenager.

[NoNeed]

deadslow said:

NoNeed said:

.... typical conceited arrogant remainer.....

chum, you are in danger of sounding a bit like a radicalised teenager.

Proved my point nicely, thanks

[dai1983]

AJL308 said:

So, the EU has tonight gone from "the backstop is absolutely, totally and utterly non-negotiable" to"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49427674

"At a press conference ahead of a working dinner, the German chancellor said a realistic alternative to the plan would require "absolute clarity" on the post-Brexit future relationship between the UK and the EU."

Don’t get too excited because:

Mr Johnson replied: "You rightly say the onus is on us to produce those solutions, those ideas”