How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 11)

[abzmike]

NoNeed said:

ahh well, wonder why trucks still empty then

Probably something to do with a £30B trade deficit... And exports of financial and professional services don't get shipped around by refrigerated container.

[DeepEnd]

banjowilly said:

Several do & we do a lot of business through them.

Any luck finding anything about 30% from that bloke?

My link just quoted him banging on about 30 mile queues in all directions. Perhaps the 30 was mistranslated and conflated as it went through brexitcentral.com. Jean seems to have changed his tune of late - perhaps he was reminded he was driving business to other ports from the one he is paid to represent....

I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a fair proportion empty, though be interested to know to what extent this is already at minimised levels due to the existing pressure to eliminate dead miles.

[banjowilly]

DeepEnd said:

Any luck finding anything about 30% from that bloke?

My link just quoted him banging on about 30 mile queues in all directions. Perhaps the 30 was mistranslated and conflated as it went through brexitcentral.com. Jean seems to have changed his tune of late - perhaps he was reminded he was driving business to other ports from the one he is paid to represent....

I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a fair proportion empty, though be interested to know to what extent this is already at minimised levels due to the existing pressure to eliminate dead miles.

Not really. All the usual suspects seem to have busy afternoons

There will be a trade imbalance, we are a net importer of goods. I dispute the 30% figure though & remember FIF's contention was that 90% of trailers passing through Dover weren't subject to checking requirements because 30% are empty & 60% are carrying goods subject to various forms of pre clearance, the implication being there's no problem with cross channel freight post brexit, just another variant on the project fear riff.

All I asked was for some form of documented proof & that naturally led to an avalanche of pile ons questioning everything from my identity to my IT skills, to my parentage...probably, from apparently grown men who should really be taking a long look at their questionable behaviour in public

Now, there are interesting operational modes on Irish sea traffic that does see goods held on contingency in port & a high level - up to 50% of empty trailers on Ferries but no one seems all that interested in that. Shame.

[FiF]

andymadmak said:

Jean-Marc Puissesseau, president of Port Boulogne Calais.

Try googling him Banjo, and get his assessment on the number of vessels that go back from Dover empty....

Spoilsport. That's one source. Willy had a reasonable steer as to where to look, but didn't want to one suspects, preferring the usual unpleasant denigrating approach so common with his ilk. No Google Fu from me either.

In an earlier life 50% of the ro-ro (no driver/tractors) traffic that came to our company went back empty, checked with the mate who is still with the forwarder and it's slightly less today, that's due to increased exports. That was incoming two full loads a day, 5 days a week, except works shutdowns. Though in interest of full disclosure we used Immingham mainly and not Dover. They still do.

As mentioned in the earlier post, edited out by willy in interests of having a completely wide of the mark pop, many firms are starting to look at alternative supply routes as opposed to increasing the pain in the South East. Belgian and Dutch ports rubbing their hands.

Note we still don't have a declaration of previous PH identity or identities. Can understand desire to avoid being banned... again.

Into the ignore bin.

[banjowilly]

FiF said:

Spoilsport. That's one source. Willy had a reasonable steer as to where to look, but didn't want to one suspects, preferring the usual unpleasant denigrating approach so common with his ilk. No Google Fu from me either.

In an earlier life 50% of the ro-ro (no driver/tractors) traffic that came to our company went back empty, checked with the mate who is still with the forwarder and it's slightly less today, that's due to increased exports. That was incoming two full loads a day, 5 days a week, except works shutdowns. Though in interest of full disclosure we used Immingham mainly and not Dover. They still do.

As mentioned in the earlier post, edited out by willy in interests of having a completely wide of the mark pop, many firms are starting to look at alternative supply routes as opposed to increasing the pain in the South East. Belgian and Dutch ports rubbing their hands.

Note we still don't have a declaration of previous PH identity or identities. Can understand desire to avoid being banned... again.

Into the ignore bin.

So your source is either some French dude from Calais ports whom you decline to supply apparently documented words, inspite of several polite requests, or your *mate* who works at a freight forwarders who seem unable to supply reloads to the continent in any great volume. In light of that impeccable retorting, I'm quite glad to be on your ignore list

[Garvin]

FiF said:

. . . . . . . As mentioned in the earlier post, edited out by willy in interests of having a completely wide of the mark pop, many firms are starting to look at alternative supply routes as opposed to increasing the pain in the South East. Belgian and Dutch ports rubbing their hands . . . ... .

Very much this. All our alternative routes are set up and ready to go and I suspect so are a lot of other industries’.

[andymadmak]

banjowilly said:

30% empty trucks, not vessels Linky?

And you giving it all the big one about my inability to comprehend simple things

Edited by banjowilly on Thursday 22 August 13:10

FiF said trucks not vessels.

[andymadmak]

DeepEnd said:

This guy?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com...

Changed his tune a bit it seems to C’est la Bullst!

Other way round. The article you linked to is more than one year old

[banjowilly]

andymadmak said:

banjowilly said:

30% empty trucks, not vessels Linky?

And you giving it all the big one about my inability to comprehend simple things

Edited by banjowilly on Thursday 22 August 13:10

FiF said trucks not vessels.

And you said Vessels not trucks, getting things wrong again.

andymadmak said:

Jean-Marc Puissesseau, president of Port Boulogne Calais.

Try googling him Banjo, and get his assessment on the number of vessels that go back from Dover empty....

All of which is by the by. I'm still waiting for one of you guys to supply the quote from the source both of you say you have but won't share, for reasons I can't fathom on any level that 30% of trailer traffic via Dover Calais runs empty.

Look FIF & Andy, if you have it, put it up. if not, then give up flogging a dead horse & we can all move on to the next questionable leaver claim.

[Sway]

Garvin said:

FiF said:

. . . . . . . As mentioned in the earlier post, edited out by willy in interests of having a completely wide of the mark pop, many firms are starting to look at alternative supply routes as opposed to increasing the pain in the South East. Belgian and Dutch ports rubbing their hands . . . ... .

Very much this. All our alternative routes are set up and ready to go and I suspect so are a lot of other industries’.

Virtually everyone I've ever worked for had "non-South Coast" routing options... Have done for years.

[andymadmak]

banjowilly said:

All of which is by the by. I'm still waiting for one of you guys to supply the quote from the source both of you say you have but won't share, for reasons I can't fathom on any level that 30% of trailer traffic via Dover Calais runs empty.

Look FIF & Andy, if you have it, put it up. if not, then give up flogging a dead horse & we can all move on to the next questionable leaver claim.

OK, I made an error in my post. But it's clear I was referring to the trucks question, so stop trying to dodge the issue.
If you had googled as suggested you would have found a number of articles in which Jean-Marc Puissesseau, president of Port Boulogne Calais, talks about the 30% of trucks going back from Dover empty. The Telegraph and other papers all covered it. I can't help it if you are a lazy toad, it's not my job to do your searches for you. It beggars belief that just because somebody isn't prepared to spoon feed you it somehow doesn't exist.
Do the google and then pick the source you are prepared to believe... they pretty much all say the same

Or you could just dismiss Jean-Marc Puissesseau, president of Port Boulogne Calais, as just some French geezer ...

[banjowilly]

andymadmak said:

OK, I made an error in my post. But it's clear I was referring to the trucks question, so stop trying to dodge the issue.
If you had googled as suggested you would have found a number of articles in which Jean-Marc Puissesseau, president of Port Boulogne Calais, talks about the 30% of trucks going back from Dover empty. The Telegraph and other papers all covered it. I can't help it if you are a lazy toad, it's not my job to do your searches for you. It beggars belief that just because somebody isn't prepared to spoon feed you it somehow doesn't exist.
Do the google and then pick the source you are prepared to believe... they pretty much all say the same

Or you could just dismiss Jean-Marc Puissesseau, president of Port Boulogne Calais, as just some French geezer ...

Except I have & he doesn't. And calling me a toad changes nothing but does show you in your true light once again.

The reality is if you could show this, it would be a golden opportunity to shut me down in one post. It's pitifully petty of you to carry on choking on your popcorn in this way.

Oh and by the way, that last line is the logical fallacy known as an appeal to authority & goes on the pile of weak efforts with all the others.

[Crackie]

FiF said:

andymadmak said:

Jean-Marc Puissesseau, president of Port Boulogne Calais.

Try googling him Banjo, and get his assessment on the number of vessels that go back from Dover empty....

Spoilsport. That's one source. Willy had a reasonable steer as to where to look, but didn't want to one suspects, preferring the usual unpleasant denigrating approach so common with his ilk. No Google Fu from me either.

In an earlier life 50% of the ro-ro (no driver/tractors) traffic that came to our company went back empty, checked with the mate who is still with the forwarder and it's slightly less today, that's due to increased exports. That was incoming two full loads a day, 5 days a week, except works shutdowns. Though in interest of full disclosure we used Immingham mainly and not Dover. They still do.

As mentioned in the earlier post, edited out by willy in interests of having a completely wide of the mark pop, many firms are starting to look at alternative supply routes as opposed to increasing the pain in the South East. Belgian and Dutch ports rubbing their hands.

Note we still don't have a declaration of previous PH identity or identities. Can understand desire to avoid being banned... again.

Into the ignore bin.

The banjowally posted this above " grown men who should really be taking a long look at their questionable behaviour in public ".

Beyond hypocritical bearing in mind his comments on here and the 'ladies' comments JOB thread.......

Edited by Crackie on Thursday 22 August 15:38

[JNW1]

banjowilly said:

All of which is by the by. I'm still waiting for one of you guys to supply the quote from the source both of you say you have but won't share, for reasons I can't fathom on any level that 30% of trailer traffic via Dover Calais runs empty.

Look FIF & Andy, if you have it, put it up. if not, then give up flogging a dead horse & we can all move on to the next questionable leaver claim.

I'm not really party to this particular debate but am probably as irritated by the on-going bickering as everyone else! I therefore had a quick look on Google which revealed the article below so does this help? Our friend in Calais does indeed appear to make reference to 30% of the lorries going from Dover to Calais empty so any chance we can draw a line under this "he said, she said" stuff?

Yours hopefully....

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/juncker-w...

[andymadmak]

banjowilly said:

Except I have & he doesn't. And calling me a toad changes nothing but does show you in your true light once again.

The reality is if you could show this, it would be a golden opportunity to shut me down in one post. It's pitifully petty of you to carry on choking on your popcorn in this way.

Oh and by the way, that last line is the logical fallacy known as an appeal to authority & goes on the pile of weak efforts with all the others.

OK, if you say so. Except the articles are all there. Your bizarre denial is, well, bizarre.

Lazy toad is a fairly well used term. It's a bit rich you complaining about that given your posting history!

[andymadmak]

JNW1 said:

I'm not really party to this particular debate but am probably as irritated by the on-going bickering as everyone else! I therefore had a quick look on Google which revealed the article below so does this help? Our friend in Calais does indeed appear to make reference to 30% of the lorries going from Dover to Calais empty so any chance we can draw a line under this "he said, she said" stuff?

Yours hopefully....

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/juncker-w...

There's a similar article in the Telegraph too.

[Ridgemont]

andymadmak said:

JNW1 said:

I'm not really party to this particular debate but am probably as irritated by the on-going bickering as everyone else! I therefore had a quick look on Google which revealed the article below so does this help? Our friend in Calais does indeed appear to make reference to 30% of the lorries going from Dover to Calais empty so any chance we can draw a line under this "he said, she said" stuff?

Yours hopefully....

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/juncker-w...

There's a similar article in the Telegraph too.

Ambrose Pritchard behind paywall:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/08/21/ye...

Pritchard said:

The Yellowhammer document states that 85pc of lorries travelling through the main Channel crossings “may not be ready” for French customs on Day One. Really? Jean-Marc Puissesseau, the Calais chief, told me that 30pc of the lorries leaving Dover travel empty. “They will go straight to the green line and won’t need any clearance. Another 60pc do not have material that needs to be checked,” he said.

Edited by Ridgemont on Thursday 22 August 15:52

[p1stonhead]

Extension coming?

[Dr Jekyll]

Ridgemont said:

Ambrose Pierce behind paywall:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/08/21/ye...

Pierce said:

The Yellowhammer document states that 85pc of lorries travelling through the main Channel crossings “may not be ready” for French customs on Day One. Really? Jean-Marc Puissesseau, the Calais chief, told me that 30pc of the lorries leaving Dover travel empty. “They will go straight to the green line and won’t need any clearance. Another 60pc do not have material that needs to be checked,” he said.

Or even Ambrose Pritchard.

[Vanden Saab]

p1stonhead said:

Extension coming?

Mutti must have put him over her knee and given him a Slap for disagreeing with her.