How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 11)
Discussion
digimeistter said:
banjowilly said:
digimeistter said:
Yet you seemed so confident 
Eh? I'm literally asking a question. Confidence has nothing to do with anything Are there any other simple concepts you need me to explain while you're here, such as the backstop or how not to embarrassingly jump a gun?
banjowilly said:
Eh? I'm literally asking a question. Confidence has nothing to do with anything
Are there any other simple concepts you need me to explain while you're here, such as the backstop or how not to embarrassingly jump a gun?
Jump the gun.... Unless gun jumping has become a sport and I have missed it... Are there any other simple concepts you need me to explain while you're here, such as the backstop or how not to embarrassingly jump a gun?
banjowilly said:
digimeistter said:
banjowilly said:
digimeistter said:
Yet you seemed so confident
Eh? I'm literally asking a question. Confidence has nothing to do with anything Are there any other simple concepts you need me to explain while you're here, such as the backstop or how not to embarrassingly jump a gun?
In fact this deserves a tune!
https://youtu.be/ONZUiULq4s8
Brooking10 said:
Robertj21a said:
You'll be pleased to know that I usually stop posting on here about now (before the Weekend crowd take over) - but I'll be back nice and early on Monday
I support any Brexit that ensures that we leave the EU in the shortest timescale. At present, and for some time now, I've been assuming that means without a deal.
Ok I support any Brexit that ensures that we leave the EU in the shortest timescale. At present, and for some time now, I've been assuming that means without a deal.
Now, let’s talk about ideologies ......
You have so little understanding of any other possibility I am left wondering what could cause that.
Le Controleur Horizontal said:
Only some people laugh at that.
You have so little understanding of any other possibility I am left wondering what could cause that.
No, afraid you’ve lost me there Flatty.You have so little understanding of any other possibility I am left wondering what could cause that.
Do some thinking out loud if you like though to help us align.
I’m fairly confident that you haven’t understood the point of the post though.
digimeistter said:
amusingduck said:
Brooking10 said:
No, afraid you’ve lost me there Flatty.
Flatty?Pretty crap TBH
L C H’s username reads as a poorly translated play on “The Fat Controller”
“Obtuse as normall” - I’m upset Dig. Never been anything but direct and to the point with you
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 23 August 19:58
Brooking10 said:
digimeistter said:
amusingduck said:
Brooking10 said:
No, afraid you’ve lost me there Flatty.
Flatty?Pretty crap TBH
L C H’s username reads as a poorly translated play on “The Fat Controller”
Otis Criblecoblis said:
DeepEnd said:
They can’t (or should not be allowed to) have it both ways.
One minute it is “we must leave CU and SM it was all promised (ironically by remain but not “absolutely” leave)”
Next minute “no just leaving is all that matters”.
It’s a dishonesty that does not command respect.
Elysium’s argument is compelling.
Sod such dishonesty, another vote would of course be democratic. They are terrified as they know it is a clusterf
k.
I see Boris is now saying “hang on don’t get your hopes up”.
Elysium added a dishonest twist to fit his agenda, one you gloss over because it doesn't fit yours either.One minute it is “we must leave CU and SM it was all promised (ironically by remain but not “absolutely” leave)”
Next minute “no just leaving is all that matters”.
It’s a dishonesty that does not command respect.
Elysium’s argument is compelling.
Sod such dishonesty, another vote would of course be democratic. They are terrified as they know it is a clusterf
k. I see Boris is now saying “hang on don’t get your hopes up”.
I'm more than happy to discuss the chat on SM and CU, but you'd make yourself look a fool if you go there.
Dress it up how you please, buy your cry is little more than 'vote again ! ' garnished in bulls
t.amusingduck said:
Elysium said:
So we are getting to the nub if it. You think no-deal is fine. I think it is a pathetic cop out, designed primarily to disguise the incompetence of our political leadership and an insult to everyone who voted in 2016.
These are our respective beliefs, which we are entitled to.
So let’s drop all the bullst accusations about trying to overturn the vote.
It's not ideal, but it's not unforeseen either. It's the only permanent option, solely within the UK's control.These are our respective beliefs, which we are entitled to.
So let’s drop all the bulls
t accusations about trying to overturn the vote. amusingduck said:
TM has utterly fked it for all of us. She unintentionally blundered her way into painting both sides into corners they can't get out of.
ked it for all of us. She unintentionally blundered her way into painting both sides into corners they can't get out of.ked things up. But the completely unsurprising outcome of Johnsons visit to France and Germany is that we can actually get ourselves our of the st by working out what we want. Not messing around blaming the EU or making silly threats, but by actually doing some work and proposing a solution. amusingduck said:
It's not bullst accusations either, I think that's what any re-opening of the Stay vs Go debate effectively does. I accept you have a different view.
I hope that you at least understand where I am on this. Trying to belittle the argument against no deal by resorting to tired, baseless allegations about 'thwarting the referendum result' achieves nothing. It is just pointless.t accusations either, I think that's what any re-opening of the Stay vs Go debate effectively does. I accept you have a different view.amusingduck said:
banjowilly said:
amusingduck said:
We'll no longer be beneath the EU in a top down political hierarchy.
We weren't. We sat at the top table influencing from within. Parroting tropes doesn't make them true.https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cms...
Elysium said:
amusingduck said:
banjowilly said:
amusingduck said:
We'll no longer be beneath the EU in a top down political hierarchy.
We weren't. We sat at the top table influencing from within. Parroting tropes doesn't make them true.https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cms...
Brooking10 said:
Robertj21a said:
You'll be pleased to know that I usually stop posting on here about now (before the Weekend crowd take over) - but I'll be back nice and early on Monday
I support any Brexit that ensures that we leave the EU in the shortest timescale. At present, and for some time now, I've been assuming that means without a deal.
Ok I support any Brexit that ensures that we leave the EU in the shortest timescale. At present, and for some time now, I've been assuming that means without a deal.
Now, let’s talk about ideologies ......
The irony that the leavers are able to argue that the simple vote to 'leave' in 2016 allows every mode of leaving including 'no deal', but somehow excludes the Withdrawal Agreement, which is the actual textbook definition via the article 50 process, seems to be rather lost on some people.
Dr Jekyll said:
Elysium said:
amusingduck said:
banjowilly said:
amusingduck said:
We'll no longer be beneath the EU in a top down political hierarchy.
We weren't. We sat at the top table influencing from within. Parroting tropes doesn't make them true.https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cms...
Brooking10 said:
Robertj21a said:
You'll be pleased to know that I usually stop posting on here about now (before the Weekend crowd take over) - but I'll be back nice and early on Monday
I support any Brexit that ensures that we leave the EU in the shortest timescale. At present, and for some time now, I've been assuming that means without a deal.
Ok I support any Brexit that ensures that we leave the EU in the shortest timescale. At present, and for some time now, I've been assuming that means without a deal.
Now, let’s talk about ideologies ......
crankedup said:
Brooking10 said:
Robertj21a said:
You'll be pleased to know that I usually stop posting on here about now (before the Weekend crowd take over) - but I'll be back nice and early on Monday
I support any Brexit that ensures that we leave the EU in the shortest timescale. At present, and for some time now, I've been assuming that means without a deal.
Ok I support any Brexit that ensures that we leave the EU in the shortest timescale. At present, and for some time now, I've been assuming that means without a deal.
Now, let’s talk about ideologies ......
My tongue in cheek point was that the E.U. is frequently held up as allowing ideology to trump common sense decision making and here is a poster doing something rather similar from the other side of the fence.
amusingduck said:
I feel like one of us seriously misunderstands what arbitrators are for. I hope it's not me
Like andymadmak you're dodging the questions. And yes, I know exactly what an arbitrator is for.- Why are you happy to accept a foreign arbitrator in the context of "taking back control". It makes no sense.
- There's no guarantee an arbitrator will make a decision that you like. Would you really roll over quietly and accept it if the independent arbitrator's decision went against your own views?
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