How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 11)
Discussion
Garvin said:
crankedup said:
From the tone of posts from our remainer friends it suggests that finally the reality of the U.K. leaving the E.U. has sunk in. I do hope that we are not going to be subjected to negative ‘told you so’ posts following every news item regarding our E.U. departure. It achieves abso.utely nothing whatsoever.
Dream on. Experience since the referendum demonstrates that every problem is attributed to ‘the vote’ even when there is clearly no causation or even correlation. It will just get worse after Brexit.Look on the bright side, such machinations will be an immense source of humour.
Remainers’ moanings will, however, count for nought as rejoining the EU will be a pipe dream. If the UK economy holds up then any campaign to rejoin an entity where we will have a net financial contribution will get laughed ‘out of court’. If our economy is so bad that we would attract a net financial benefit then why the hell would anyone think, with so many other counties contributing to a drain on EU resources, that Germany & France would want to fund the UK.
No, once we are out, we are out!
You are like two miserable old codgers down the pub moaning about the good old days.
Earthdweller said:
Garvin said:
Dream on.
No, once we are out, we are out!
I think that is fair No, once we are out, we are out!
If the UK booms and does very well outside there will be nothing to gain going back in, indeed the years of membership may come to be seen as folly
If the UK flounders then the costs and sacrifices to re-enter are likely to be so high as to make it unlikely and unpalatable for many .. the E.U. isn’t standing still, so expect monetary union, central taxation etc
There may not be an E.U. ( in its current form ) to rejoin
People want to stop the UK leaving the EU because they know only too well that rejoining the EU and adopting the Euro/Schengen isn't ever going to happen, so the UK must be kept in regardless of a democratic vote back in 2016 which clearly stated the majority wanted out.
banjowilly said:
Starrting to think I'm not the thick one around here.
This thread is a haven of common sense and logic (relatively) in comparison to other media platforms (daily mail, Twitter, radio phone ins etc)Soooooo many people, whether staunch remain/staunch leave, are either so blinded by their own confirmation bias (or simply just plain stupid) that common sense has been left so far behind, there is just zero reasoning with them.
PH isn't actually too bad when you hold this thread up to some of the other s
te being talked elsewhere.
Elysium said:
It is fairly clear that Parliament is opposed to no deal. The fact that the withdrawal act does not expressly prevent it is not an indication that they support it.
It makes it the default, not just not preventing it.Change the record, banging on about your desires doesn't make it reality.
Elysium said:
They also made it law that the Govt should have due regard for the phase 1 report agreed with the EU, which would require customs union and single market alignment between the EU and Northern Ireland. Something which is entirely incompatible with no-deal.
It is fairly clear that Parliament is opposed to no deal. The fact that the withdrawal act does not expressly prevent it is not an indication that they support it.
It will be interesting to see how they start to try to exert control over Johnson’s minority Govt.
As it stands atm , it matters not whether Parliament support the act or not.It is fairly clear that Parliament is opposed to no deal. The fact that the withdrawal act does not expressly prevent it is not an indication that they support it.
It will be interesting to see how they start to try to exert control over Johnson’s minority Govt.
Or indeed whether you or others support it. You have TM and others to thank for those facts.
Elysium said:
Who would you two complain about if we hadn’t had a referendum?
You are like two miserable old codgers down the pub moaning about the good old days.
Moaning? Who’s moaning? Certainly not me. Brexit is creeping inexorably upon us and I must admit to some schadenfreude as I witness you arch Remainers going into meltdown at the prospect. Delicious.You are like two miserable old codgers down the pub moaning about the good old days.
jsf said:
Elysium said:
It is fairly clear that Parliament is opposed to no deal. The fact that the withdrawal act does not expressly prevent it is not an indication that they support it.
It makes it the default, not just not preventing it.Change the record, banging on about your desires doesn't make it reality.
Elysium said:
Garvin said:
crankedup said:
From the tone of posts from our remainer friends it suggests that finally the reality of the U.K. leaving the E.U. has sunk in. I do hope that we are not going to be subjected to negative ‘told you so’ posts following every news item regarding our E.U. departure. It achieves abso.utely nothing whatsoever.
Dream on. Experience since the referendum demonstrates that every problem is attributed to ‘the vote’ even when there is clearly no causation or even correlation. It will just get worse after Brexit.Look on the bright side, such machinations will be an immense source of humour.
Remainers’ moanings will, however, count for nought as rejoining the EU will be a pipe dream. If the UK economy holds up then any campaign to rejoin an entity where we will have a net financial contribution will get laughed ‘out of court’. If our economy is so bad that we would attract a net financial benefit then why the hell would anyone think, with so many other counties contributing to a drain on EU resources, that Germany & France would want to fund the UK.
No, once we are out, we are out!
You are like two miserable old codgers down the pub moaning about the good old days.
That's a bit rich coming from you, you might want to read back some of your own posts over the last three odd years before judging others.
There isn't many days that pass by without you bitterly complaining about there being no second referendum, something you've been banging on about for months on end.
If the Govt petition which ended up with six odd million signatures (anyone's guess how many were genuine) and the People's march failed to get a second referendum, you b
hing and wailing on a car forum in a sub section of said forum certainly won't.Apart from banging on on PH what else are you doing to ensure the vote you didn't like the result of three years ago can be reversed?
Or is PH your only outlet for your ever increasing ire?
Garvin said:
Elysium said:
Who would you two complain about if we hadn’t had a referendum?
You are like two miserable old codgers down the pub moaning about the good old days.
Moaning? Who’s moaning? Certainly not me. Brexit is creeping inexorably upon us and I must admit to some schadenfreude as I witness you arch Remainers going into meltdown at the prospect. Delicious.You are like two miserable old codgers down the pub moaning about the good old days.
I don’t see anyone here going into meltdown at the prospect that Brexit might happen. We’ve been waiting for it to happen for over three years. The issue is the continuing disastrous, reckless and incompetent way that it is being handled, the unnecessary problems that this is likely to cause us and Johnsons shameful use of no-deal as a way of bypassing the need to actually come up with a plan.
Rather than acknowledge any of that and perhaps admit people have good reason to be ‘a bit miffed’, you seem to prefer lumping everyone who disagrees with you into the vague category of ‘remainer’’. Then go to the trouble of posting here to explain how pleased you will be when they complain about the problems when we leave.
don'tbesilly said:
Elysium said:
Garvin said:
crankedup said:
From the tone of posts from our remainer friends it suggests that finally the reality of the U.K. leaving the E.U. has sunk in. I do hope that we are not going to be subjected to negative ‘told you so’ posts following every news item regarding our E.U. departure. It achieves abso.utely nothing whatsoever.
Dream on. Experience since the referendum demonstrates that every problem is attributed to ‘the vote’ even when there is clearly no causation or even correlation. It will just get worse after Brexit.Look on the bright side, such machinations will be an immense source of humour.
Remainers’ moanings will, however, count for nought as rejoining the EU will be a pipe dream. If the UK economy holds up then any campaign to rejoin an entity where we will have a net financial contribution will get laughed ‘out of court’. If our economy is so bad that we would attract a net financial benefit then why the hell would anyone think, with so many other counties contributing to a drain on EU resources, that Germany & France would want to fund the UK.
No, once we are out, we are out!
You are like two miserable old codgers down the pub moaning about the good old days.
That's a bit rich coming from you, you might want to read back some of your own posts over the last three odd years before judging others.
I didn’t post here for at least 2 of those three years
don'tbesilly said:
There isn't many days that pass by without you bitterly complaining about there being no second referendum, something you've been banging on about for months on end.
Bullst and lies. don'tbesilly said:
If the Govt petition which ended up with six odd million signatures (anyone's guess how many were genuine) and the People's march failed to get a second referendum, you bhing and wailing on a car forum in a sub section of said forum certainly won't.
Apart from banging on on PH what else are you doing to ensure the vote you didn't like the result of three years ago can be reversed?
Or is PH your only outlet for your ever increasing ire?
I don’t want the vote to be reversed. hing and wailing on a car forum in a sub section of said forum certainly won't.Apart from banging on on PH what else are you doing to ensure the vote you didn't like the result of three years ago can be reversed?
Or is PH your only outlet for your ever increasing ire?
jsf said:
Elysium said:
I didn’t mention my ‘desires’ and you are splitting hairs.
Pointing out what the law states isn't splitting hairs.Your desires are splurged all over this thread and every post you make, it's desperate stuff.
The bit about my ‘desires’ still makes no sense.
Elysium said:
No it isn’t.
1. At the time of the referendum, it was conceivable that the finer details of our future trade arrangements might not be known when we left. The idea that we might somehow be unable to agree the most basic terms of withdrawal was not a possible outcome. What sort of fkwit would you need to be to screw that up?
2. The current version of no-deal, leaving without agreeing any exit terms, is not a ‘last ditch option’. It’s an escape route for Johnson that will allow him to give you some sort of Brexit on the 31st Oct, without solving any of the basic problems that made it difficult for us to get the withdrawal agreement we wanted. Those problems won’t go away, his failure to solve them will haunt us for at least the next decade.
Your argument might make a teeny bit more sense if you apply it to MPs decision to trigger article 50 before we had any agreement on our side about the sort of Brexit we wanted. That was the first point at which this current version of ‘no-deal’ became a possible outcome.
There were clues that we might have appointed fkwits to act on our behalf at that point, for example Mays use of the senseless phrase that Brexit means Brexit. Unfortunately, the Brexiteers were too swept up in the idea that May would lead them to victory to ask what the hell she was on about.
You are again running away from your claim the only mandate was to leave with a decent deal. Your original lie is bad enough, but now you insist on pretending there was some garantee or block to simply there being no agreement on anything and just leaving.1. At the time of the referendum, it was conceivable that the finer details of our future trade arrangements might not be known when we left. The idea that we might somehow be unable to agree the most basic terms of withdrawal was not a possible outcome. What sort of f
kwit would you need to be to screw that up? 2. The current version of no-deal, leaving without agreeing any exit terms, is not a ‘last ditch option’. It’s an escape route for Johnson that will allow him to give you some sort of Brexit on the 31st Oct, without solving any of the basic problems that made it difficult for us to get the withdrawal agreement we wanted. Those problems won’t go away, his failure to solve them will haunt us for at least the next decade.
Your argument might make a teeny bit more sense if you apply it to MPs decision to trigger article 50 before we had any agreement on our side about the sort of Brexit we wanted. That was the first point at which this current version of ‘no-deal’ became a possible outcome.
There were clues that we might have appointed f
kwits to act on our behalf at that point, for example Mays use of the senseless phrase that Brexit means Brexit. Unfortunately, the Brexiteers were too swept up in the idea that May would lead them to victory to ask what the hell she was on about. I went to the polls understanding this. You seem to have gone to the polls on a blind hope of a remain win, without really thinking through the stark reality of an in/out referendum and no caveats to stop no deal being in place.
There very much the possibility of not agreeing even basic terms. Nothing was garanteed to you or I on this. Your revisionist history is bunk.
Those who voted for the referendum, and who avoided adding a remain safety net, bet the house and everything on Remain. You didn't see it at the time, hence your anger now and general ' vote again! ' stance.
DeepEnd said:
Stop press!
Border issues and frictionless trade solved!
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/shelagh-fog...
Interesting % stat there too - you can see how the bullst somehow filters across the land and sticks.
You can indeed. Border issues and frictionless trade solved!
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/shelagh-fog...
Interesting % stat there too - you can see how the bulls
t somehow filters across the land and sticks.Just like the Calais chief's comments lead you to think 10% would need to be checked.
jsf said:
Elysium said:
It is fairly clear that Parliament is opposed to no deal. The fact that the withdrawal act does not expressly prevent it is not an indication that they support it.
It makes it the default, not just not preventing it.Change the record, banging on about your desires doesn't make it reality.
That totally s
ts on your argument.Oh yes I see why you ignored it now.
Sway said:
DeepEnd said:
Stop press!
Border issues and frictionless trade solved!
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/shelagh-fog...
Interesting % stat there too - you can see how the bullst somehow filters across the land and sticks.
You can indeed. Border issues and frictionless trade solved!
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/shelagh-fog...
Interesting % stat there too - you can see how the bulls
t somehow filters across the land and sticks.Just like the Calais chief's comments lead you to think 10% would need to be checked.
He said only 10% might be subject to checks and I asked what proportion is now and would be. I take it you still don’t have a scoobie as you admitted at the time.
Interesting how you feel able to dismiss it all as a non-problem when you don’t know.
Just believe eh? DeepEnd said:
You know I or Jean (30 mile tailbacks) didn’t say that - still lying I see (no one has forgotten your time limit lie I’m sure).
He said only 10% might be subject to checks and I asked what proportion is now and would be. I take it you still don’t have a scoobie as you admitted at the time.
Interesting how you feel able to dismiss it all as a non-problem when you don’t know. Just believe eh?
Tbf no one can accuse you of not having an extensive knowledge on the subject of lying. He said only 10% might be subject to checks and I asked what proportion is now and would be. I take it you still don’t have a scoobie as you admitted at the time.
Interesting how you feel able to dismiss it all as a non-problem when you don’t know.
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