How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 11)

[Earthdweller]

banjowilly said:

Assuming you did,then given how often you raise a few hundred uppity beef farmers whining about Mercosur as an existential threat to the EU...
Right so according to you, you believed Hammond, Cameron, Osborn & the rest when they spelt out the risks of no deal but voted against them anyway even though you believed them. Then spent three years calling it all 'Project fear' whilst lovingly stroking your chin at Fox's easiest deal in history, Hannan's no one's threatening our place in the single market & all the rest of the bks.

I'd be throwing a few fks around in distraction if I'd been caught out in a pile of lies too - I said I get it & I do.

What would be truthful is had you said I believed it would all work out, but it's all gone wrong, we never thought about the border & the only way now is to ram it through by kicking parliament to the kerb if needs be even though I've hung my hat on parliament being sovereign (but only when it suits me) That I could accept, but this narrative that we always knew what we were voting for? What a pile of guff!!

Or the other eye watering possibility that you accepted the reality of no deal as laid out by remain & voted to set back the country by twenty years anyway (fifty according to Rees-Mogg) In that scenario, what kind of reckless vandal does that make you? Patriot? Pull the other one.

You make a lot of assumptions, mostly wrong, but thanks for crediting me with saying plenty I haven’t

But then again you’ve only been here a few weeks so it’s possibly understandable

[banjowilly]

pgh said:

Banjo - are the misrepresentations intentional?

Fox - should be easy, however politics...
Rees-Mogg - Benefits over 50 years.

Dunno about that. I brought them up only to illustrate that it's patently not credible to have voted leave then after the fact, when the whole thing is going south, to claim that you sat & listened to remain arguments at the time, tacitly accepting them by subsequently claiming you're cool with no deal & you'd priced it in because you listened to Hammond.

Well, if you did that, took it on board & still voted leave then it's no kind of patriotism by any measure. Far more likely that you've watched it run aground for three years but are so invested in it mentally that you're now forced to claim it's what you voted for all along. Of course this leaves room for the usual sorts to claim I'm making all sorts of assumptions. I say look at the content & general trajectory of leave posts in here & make your own mind up on who's full of it.

[anonymous-user]

banjowilly said:

pgh said:

Banjo - are the misrepresentations intentional?

Fox - should be easy, however politics...
Rees-Mogg - Benefits over 50 years.

Dunno about that. I brought them up only to illustrate that it's patently not credible to have voted leave then after the fact, when the whole thing is going south, to claim that you sat & listened to remain arguments at the time, tacitly accepting them by subsequently claiming you're cool with no deal & you'd priced it in because you listened to Hammond.

Well, if you did that, took it on board & still voted leave then it's no kind of patriotism by any measure. Far more likely that you've watched it run aground for three years but are so invested in it mentally that you're now forced to claim it's what you voted for all along. Of course this leaves room for the usual sorts to claim I'm making all sorts of assumptions. I say look at the content & general trajectory of leave posts in here & make your own mind up on who's full of it.

You really do talk some utter ste

The art of communication is understanding, not talking flowery rubbish to make yourself sound intelligent.

I really wish I could return the compliment you gave me, sadly, I can't.

[Earthdweller]

digimeistter said:

You really do talk some utter ste

The art of communication is understanding, not talking flowery rubbish to make yourself sound intelligent.

I really wish I could return the compliment you gave me, sadly, I can't.

Can I just query the use of the word “Some” as being correct and intended ?

[banjowilly]

digimeistter said:

You really do talk some utter ste

The art of communication is understanding, not talking flowery rubbish to make yourself sound intelligent.

I really wish I could return the compliment you gave me, sadly, I can't.

In time, you may realise what a delcioius self own that was! Right I'm off out dancing with the missus. Have at it you Saturday night shut ins.

[anonymous-user]

banjowilly said:

digimeistter said:

You really do talk some utter ste

The art of communication is understanding, not talking flowery rubbish to make yourself sound intelligent.

I really wish I could return the compliment you gave me, sadly, I can't.

In time, you may realise what a delcioius self own that was! Right I'm off out dancing with the missus. Have at it you Saturday night shut ins.

Highly unlikely, me too, have a great time

[DeepEnd]

banjowilly said:

Dunno about that. I brought them up only to illustrate that it's patently not credible to have voted leave then after the fact, when the whole thing is going south, to claim that you sat & listened to remain arguments at the time, tacitly accepting them by subsequently claiming you're cool with no deal & you'd priced it in because you listened to Hammond.

Well, if you did that, took it on board & still voted leave then it's no kind of patriotism by any measure. Far more likely that you've watched it run aground for three years but are so invested in it mentally that you're now forced to claim it's what you voted for all along. Of course this leaves room for the usual sorts to claim I'm making all sorts of assumptions. I say look at the content & general trajectory of leave posts in here & make your own mind up on who's full of it.

Literally everybody with any reasonable amount of common sense agrees with this.

[gooner1]

banjowilly said:

digimeistter said:

You really do talk some utter ste

The art of communication is understanding, not talking flowery rubbish to make yourself sound intelligent.

I really wish I could return the compliment you gave me, sadly, I can't.

In time, you may realise what a delcioius self own that was! Right I'm off out dancing with the missus. Have at it you Saturday night shut ins.

Barn dance, Eddie?

[banjowilly]

gooner1 said:

Barn dance, Eddie?

Something called the sounds of '89, Goon, Not really my bag the eighties but we thought we'd pay tribute to your I.Q.

[gooner1]

banjowilly said:

gooner1 said:

Barn dance, Eddie?

Something called the sounds of '89, Goon, Not really my bag the eighties but we thought we'd pay tribute to your I.Q.

Good idea, don't wake the chooks on your return.

[Le Controleur Horizontal]

banjowilly said:

Something called the sounds of '89, Goon, Not really my bag the eighties but we thought we'd pay tribute to your I.Q.

You will love the Garry Glitter tribute act.....

[crankedup]

Le Controleur Horizontal said:

You will love the Garry Glitter tribute act.....

Banjo sings ‘do yer wanna be in my gang my gang’ ? F*ck no thanks, I’m off to the jazz club for some proper music enjoyment

[Otis Criblecoblis]

Hey, Banjoman, what ruled out no deal when you went to the polls on June 23rd 2016 ?
You are not going to weasel on this are you ?

[Nickgnome]

crankedup said:

Le Controleur Horizontal said:

You will love the Garry Glitter tribute act.....

Banjo sings ‘do yer wanna be in my gang my gang’ ? F*ck no thanks, I’m off to the jazz club for some proper music enjoyment

You probably would not have appreciated the Ed Sheeran concert we attended last night in Ipswich. I was a little unsure but he was bloody brilliant.

[paulrockliffe]

Some of you wierdos need to read the government white paper from 2016 that explained what would happen if we voted to leave. It's quite enlightening.

[Jazzy Jag]

paulrockliffe said:

Some of you wierdos need to read the government white paper from 2016 that explained what would happen if we voted to leave. It's quite enlightening.

Was the word Deal, often preceded by the word No used frequently in relation to voting leave?

[NoNeed]

Jazzy Jag said:

paulrockliffe said:

Some of you wierdos need to read the government white paper from 2016 that explained what would happen if we voted to leave. It's quite enlightening.

Was the word Deal, often preceded by the word No used frequently in relation to voting leave?

Yes as remainers kept pointing it out that we would need to leave before the EU would negotiate

[anonymous-user]

crankedup said:

Banjo sings ‘do yer wanna be in my gang my gang’ ? F*ck no thanks, I’m off to the jazz club for some proper music enjoyment

Gary’s jazz club is probably something to be avoided ......

[Elysium]

Interesting:

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/24/j...

The main question is why this has been leaked. It seems highly likely that it had come from Johnson’s team.

My conclusion is that Johnson and Cummings want to rack up pressure on Parliament to encourage them to derail no-deal during the first week of September.

I think they know that no-deal is going to be very difficult without Parliamentary support, particularly given the complexities around NI in the withdrawal act and the apparent need for direct rule.

I am becoming increasingly certain that their plan is to fight a people versus Parliament election before we leave. That means an extension of the 31st Oct 2019 deadline one way or another.

[Gandahar]

We are heading to ground zero.

You can read into that how you like, pro or con.

I take it neutrally.

Let's see what transpires.