How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 11)

[Mrr T]

Garvin said:

Mrr T said:

I have it now. In an attempt to get a better deal we should threaten to shoot ourselves. I have always called it the reverse Russian roulette strategy, but others seem to call it the blazing saddles strategy.

Now that's what I call a great plan.

I will ignore your insults in the knowledge I am likely much better qualified than you.

You're at it again. It is your hyperbole that no deal will kill the UK. Nobody seriously believes that. Some of us have an opinion that no deal will be uncomfortable but in no way 'disastrous'.

As for being better qualified and having knowledge of it (which, of course, you most certainly do not), I cannot believe anyone with such a tenuous grip on basic English and comprehension can be so highly qualified. You are just a Walt.

I know when most business leaders, economists etc telling you no deal is a very bad idea its all project fear. Where as you mate down the pub is a real expert.

Well I have been call many things but never a Walt. I am so unset I could almost cry.

Since you spend most of your time on PH trying to insult those who disagree with you. I shall continue to regard you as one of PH more obnoxious posters.

[psi310398]

banjowilly said:

Hyperbole works both ways.

No. It really doesn't.

The other way from hyperbole is understatement.

[catso]

Pan Pan Pan said:

No point in trying to debate with remainers.

Are you 8 years old? because that rhetoric's straight from the playground.

Or the White House...

[don'tbesilly]

Mrr T said:

Garvin said:

Mrr T said:

Garvin said:

Andy, calm down. Everyone knows this, at least anyone capable of rational thought. The Remainers don't want a true Brexit deal they want to remain, revoke A50 back to the, so called, status quo. Failing that, May's terrible WA will do for them as it isn't really leaving. You are wearing out your keyboard for no real purpose. If these Remainers really wanted a decent deal they would put some energy into helping draft out alternative approaches to the issues that caused the WA to be voted down not once, but three times. Not one has, they have just thrown bricks at those who do and believe that the backstop is absolutely necessary, no questions asked - it demonstrates beyond any doubt their true intentions, yet they accuse others of being disingenuous!

So remainders are in your view not capable of rational thought but you really want us to come up with a plan for leave?

You, as always, miss the point due to your struggle with simple comprehension. I'll take you through it one step at a time.

1. I never said that Remainers aren't capable of rational thought, you just made that up. No surprise, it is concrete evidence of your lack of simple comprehension. I still think it is both a lack of education and intellect on your part because you still persist in making primary school spelling mistakes in your posts (and they most certainly aren't simple typos or autocorrects).

2. I stated, in different words but I'll make it easy for you here, that anyone (that's Remainers, Leavers and neutrals alike) who is capable of rational thought knows that the EU will not budge to a different deal if and when no deal is taken off the table.

3. If those rational thinking Remainers were honest about getting a deal, apart from the current WA, through Parliament then at least some of them would try to help define alternative approaches/solutions but they haven't.

4. Therefore, the logical conclusion is that they don't really want a deal, they just want to remain full stop but are not being honest about it pretending that they somehow want a deal. They are no different to the Leavers they throw insults at.

Now have you got it?

I have it now. In an attempt to get a better deal we should threaten to shoot ourselves. I have always called it the reverse Russian roulette strategy, but others seem to call it the blazing saddles strategy.

Now that's what I call a great plan.

I will ignore your insults in the knowledge I am likely much better qualified than you.

That's quite some claim, I'm guessing you can substantiate that?

Can you post up your qualifications and the required documentation to make the claims credible?

[Johnny 89]

It has become evident that Sinn Fein should take up their seats in the HOC...

And anything else they can get their hands on as soon as the looting starts :-)

[psi310398]

don'tbesilly said:

That's quite some claim, I'm guessing you can substantiate that?

Can you post up your qualifications and the required documentation to make the claims credible?

Alternatively, could the pair of you get a room somewhere else to continue your cock-waving?

[PRTVR]

ClaphamGT3 said:

Get a grip. No one has voted against Brexit. The majority of the House of Commons have voted against a no-deal Brexit

And the EU have said that the only deal on the table was the one the HOC voted against three times, so voting against no deal is in effect a vote to remain.

[Garvin]

Mrr T said:

I know when most business leaders, economists etc telling you no deal is a very bad idea its all project fear. Where as you mate down the pub is a real expert.

Well I have been call many things but never a Walt. I am so unset I could almost cry.

Since you spend most of your time on PH trying to insult those who disagree with you. I shall continue to regard you as one of PH more obnoxious posters.

Cry away and regard me how you want, that is your complete prerogative.

However, what I suggest you do is read my posts, comprehend them properly and don't try and state that I have said things when I haven't. That is the road to not having your arse handed to you.

BTW, congratulations on catching up and agreeing with the project fear bit.

[Mrr T]

don'tbesilly said:

That's quite some claim, I'm guessing you can substantiate that?

Can you post up your qualifications and the required documentation to make the claims credible?

Hahaha.

I like most on here prefer to remain anonymous.

So will not be posting any documents.

I do have the right to put FCA after my name. I do not do so because I do not practice.

[paulrockliffe]

andymadmak said:

We are buying a new car at the weekend. It took a while to haggle a decent deal, but we've done it and now both the dealer and us are happy with the outcome.

I can only begin to imagine how the negotiations would have gone if, instead of both parties working to a common goal but each with a desire to maximise their position, I had gone into the showroom with my other half and announced loudly

' We are not leaving here until we have a deal on a new car. Moreover, whilst we are here we are going to pay you for every hour we spend on your premises, and we will not be searching the internet for any alternate vehicles.'

I suspect that the salesman might have rubbed his hands in glee and said - ' hey I have a rusty MOT failure 2001 Ford Fiesta out the back that you can have for £1.0million pounds. That's the only deal on offer. Take it or leave it.

Honestly guys, I am utterly stunned that anyone imagines that the EU is going to negotiate sensibly on a new WA if we take No Deal off the table. The current deal was voted down 3 times. What on earth do Remainers imagine is going to happen ? Or is it all just a big play to get the 2016 result overturned? If it's the latter, at least be honest and say so.
That being said, anyone who thinks that somehow getting 2016 set aside is going to be the end of the matter, or that it comes with no cost to our democracy is a little deluded. So in a cheeky reversal of positions, let me ask our resident Remain contingent what concessions you will be making to those who voted Brexit? You've spent the last 3 years demanding that the 48% cannot be ignored and must be accommodated - what are you guys proposing that would accommodate the 52%? (please, lets not have any answers based on 'it's less than 52% now etc. Whatever the number it's somewhere between 60% and 40% for sure, so what are you going to offer as YOUR compromise?)

I'm sure the clever people have told you why you're wrong already, but you are wrong. If you went into a Car Dealers and enacted that scenario you wouldn't get a good deal, but they wouldn't offer you their worst car for a daft price. They simply wouldn't believe you wouldn't walk out, because that is insane. Plus maybe they'd like you to buy another car in future if you're such a good customer.

That's how ridiculous the current situation is, it's completely unbelievable, but Parliament are trying to legislate so that the EU believe they can offer us whatever they like. They've literally already written the begging letter.

What's interesting is the disconnect between how Parliament think this plays out and how it will actually play out. Every little 'victory' is one more reason why Parliament is going to be smashed to bits regardless of how long an election is delayed for.

I'm actually amazed that Parliament think they can write legislation that forces someone to print out a letter, sign it and get on a Plane to Brussels against his will. He obviously isn't going to do that, then what happens?

[anonymous-user]

wc98 said:

one thing the current situation has done for me is highlight just how long politicians have been lying on a grand scale. never again will i place any stock in claims that "the tories did this, labour did that" and the opposition could do nothing about it. it has just been shown the house can take control from the government and stop them doing something they don't like.

so all the pit closures during maggie's tenure were as much the fault of labour and the lib dems. all the money spent under labour as much the fault of the tories and lib dems. remember that gold gordon brown sold ? yup, the entire house was complicit in that.

Isn’t it actually about how much of a majority you have?

[banjowilly]

Pan Pan Pan said:

It is still totally correct though, no matter how many times you try to sweep the truth under the carpet.
But as we all know remainers like you cannot handle the truth, so you try to shout it down, or hide it as much as possible. the more you whinge about how many times I put the truth up there for all to see, the more I will post it up, because I know the truth frightens the cr*p out of you. Enjoy!

Cheers PPP. Same time tomorrow?

[anonymous-user]

wc98 said:

Blue62 said:

Roman Rhodes said:

Thanks for the invites to your next gatherings, but having checked my diary, it appears there are episodes of Bargain Hunt on TV that I have missed on both days. Obviously it will be disappointing not to have the opportunity to sneer about children eating filet steak or marvel at the incredible news that someone has the temerity to have a Porsche Turbo as a second car, but needs must. Passing up the attraction of watching one’s host sanctimoniously bore another guest into submission because they hold a different opinion is not a sacrifice I take lightly either as I’m sure you’ll understand.

I am sure both days will be blessed with the copious smugness and self-satisfaction you normally serve up - enjoy them!

Well put, the absence of self awareness displayed by some on here is frightening at times.

In other matters, has there ever been a more incompetent, hypocritical administration than this one? The usual apologists will claim it’s all under control but last night was chaos personified. Clarke and Soames sacked!!!!

not, it really wasn't well put. if you and roman are quite happy with virtue signaling hypocrites, you bash on. you obviously missed that point in jim's post.

i doubt anyone on here has a problem with anyone having a second, third,or a hundred cars (too many cars, i'm thinking of you ) but will have a problem with the sort that think the masses should stop eating meat and driving cars to save the planet while continuing to do so themselves.

the same goes for snp supporters that think it's fine to leave the uk, but not for the uk to leave the eu, hypocrites.

A bbq with "virtue signalling hypocrites" (the go-to slur of right-wingers who don't like other people's opinions) would still be more fun than one with sanctimonious prigs.

Well done for making one of your guests look like they'd "st their pants" btw. Your family must be proud!

[kev1974]

Sounds like the House of Lords will wreck the Hilary Benn nonsense bill anyway. All just yet more days being wasted. As obviously the last three years wasn't wasted enough.

[anonymous-user]

Garvin said:

Mrr T said:

Garvin said:

Andy, calm down. Everyone knows this, at least anyone capable of rational thought. The Remainers don't want a true Brexit deal they want to remain, revoke A50 back to the, so called, status quo. Failing that, May's terrible WA will do for them as it isn't really leaving. You are wearing out your keyboard for no real purpose. If these Remainers really wanted a decent deal they would put some energy into helping draft out alternative approaches to the issues that caused the WA to be voted down not once, but three times. Not one has, they have just thrown bricks at those who do and believe that the backstop is absolutely necessary, no questions asked - it demonstrates beyond any doubt their true intentions, yet they accuse others of being disingenuous!

So remainders are in your view not capable of rational thought but you really want us to come up with a plan for leave?

You, as always, miss the point due to your struggle with simple comprehension. I'll take you through it one step at a time.

1. I never said that Remainers aren't capable of rational thought, you just made that up. No surprise, it is concrete evidence of your lack of simple comprehension. I still think it is both a lack of education and intellect on your part because you still persist in making primary school spelling mistakes in your posts (and they most certainly aren't simple typos or autocorrects).

2. I stated, in different words but I'll make it easy for you here, that anyone (that's Remainers, Leavers and neutrals alike) who is capable of rational thought knows that the EU will not budge to a different deal if and when no deal is taken off the table.

3. If those rational thinking Remainers were honest about getting a deal, apart from the current WA, through Parliament then at least some of them would try to help define alternative approaches/solutions but they haven't.

4. Therefore, the logical conclusion is that they don't really want a deal, they just want to remain full stop but are not being honest about it pretending that they somehow want a deal. They are no different to the Leavers they throw insults at.

Now have you got it?

You're mistaking your opinion for "logic" - a common problem with Brexiteers. Maybe primary school beckons?

[The Don of Croy]

I'm sure when I was walking down the shops this am I could actually hear Barnier laughing...the next bit of negotiating is going to be so much fun.

While we're about it, could we not beg for adoption of the Euro, too?

We'll certainly have a strong hand to play, what with us holding our cards the wrong way round and not even understanding the rules.

Satire is dead. Long live an independant Britain.

[Digga]

kev1974 said:

Sounds like the House of Lords will wreck the Hilary Benn nonsense bill anyway. All just yet more days being wasted. As obviously the last three years wasn't wasted enough.

Quite. Corbyn is by no means the only "magic grandpa" promising things he cannot deliver for certain.

[Leins]

Hard to know how the numbers in a GE will stack up, but is there the possibility for a Tory / TBP coalition without the DUP? Would that then allow for the option of NI to be left in the CU and a deal be agreed upon? I can't believe the plan has been "no deal" all along, but maybe I'm wrong.

[don'tbesilly]

BJ gets a win in (subject to an appeal):

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1173742/Br...

[Digga]

Leins said:

Hard to know how the numbers in a GE will stack up, but is there the possibility for a Tory / TBP coalition without the DUP? Would that then allow for the option of NI to be left in the CU and a deal be agreed upon? I can't believe the plan has been "no deal" all along, but maybe I'm wrong.

It's got to be extremely possible and may yet mean the DUP have overplayed their hand up to know, to their detriment.

You also look at how the Conservatives are polling right now and see it would be very interesting.