New drivers could be banned from driving at night BBC
Discussion
Alucidnation said:
Read about this earlier and I think it’s an excellent idea.
The police can hardly police current law breakers how will they police this unless someone crashes. You can't stop every car on the assumption the driver had recently passed their test.Can't see this taking off.
Haltamer said:
It seems the lessons of the past have already been forgotten: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2359150/T...
Can't help but think this would have a similar impact:- Furthermore, enforcement would be difficult, as the driver at the time would need to be identified; I'm sure Trafpol will enjoy pulling every car to check the driver has driven enough in the day to drive at night. .-.
Furthermore, where would the curfew be defined? Sunset? In which case, young people can no longer drive to / from work for half of the year.
But how did they crash doing 57 in a 60?Can't help but think this would have a similar impact:- Furthermore, enforcement would be difficult, as the driver at the time would need to be identified; I'm sure Trafpol will enjoy pulling every car to check the driver has driven enough in the day to drive at night. .-.
Furthermore, where would the curfew be defined? Sunset? In which case, young people can no longer drive to / from work for half of the year.
Vipers said:
Alucidnation said:
Read about this earlier and I think it’s an excellent idea.
The police can hardly police current law breakers how will they police this unless someone crashes. You can't stop every car on the assumption the driver had recently passed their test.Can't see this taking off.
Fore Left said:
Vipers said:
Alucidnation said:
Read about this earlier and I think it’s an excellent idea.
The police can hardly police current law breakers how will they police this unless someone crashes. You can't stop every car on the assumption the driver had recently passed their test.Can't see this taking off.
And what about young drivers using dads car in the first place?
Vipers said:
Fore Left said:
Vipers said:
Alucidnation said:
Read about this earlier and I think it’s an excellent idea.
The police can hardly police current law breakers how will they police this unless someone crashes. You can't stop every car on the assumption the driver had recently passed their test.Can't see this taking off.
And what about young drivers using dads car in the first place?
Unlikely they would be.
irocfan said:
and given they're talking about under 25's (or at least they were on LBC this morning) what about emergency response drivers? Shift workers? Carers?
Absolutely bonkers idea - and pretty much unenforceable. Maybe a power limit graduated to age - but let's be honest even a smart car can be driven like a rally car....
They had someone from Rospa on at lunchtime - his solution to people working late was that they can get public transport home. Presumably one of those people who lives in London and thinks because he can get a bus at night, everyone else can. As an example, my work is about 2 miles from the nearest bus stop, and I very much doubt they stop there 24/7Absolutely bonkers idea - and pretty much unenforceable. Maybe a power limit graduated to age - but let's be honest even a smart car can be driven like a rally car....
You can get your class 1 licence at 18 now... So all those truck drivers will have to explain to their company they can't drive when it's dark!
Total and utter rubbish. I find night driving easier and less stressful due to the lack of traffic.
What a fantastic idea... Let's have an exception for trucks maybe. So the guys/gals can drive around in an artic and then have to kip in their car as they can't drive home.
Total and utter rubbish. I find night driving easier and less stressful due to the lack of traffic.
What a fantastic idea... Let's have an exception for trucks maybe. So the guys/gals can drive around in an artic and then have to kip in their car as they can't drive home.
It should reduce some of these t
ts in their plebmobiles being able to do this.....
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-her...
ts in their plebmobiles being able to do this.....https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-her...
Those are the very people it will not stop though.
To me it seems a bit big brother- dictating where you can go and when is not the answer.
Either you have passed your driving test and are competent on the roads or you have not. If you have passed but are not competent then the quality of the test and the teaching needs revisiting.
Perhaps the Govt could make it more financially feasible to get more real-life experience post-passing. I did the most learning after I had passed, in situations and places not covered on my learning routes, requiring reactions and responses not possible with hands nicely positioned at 10 and 2 and feeding the wheel throw my almost-static hands, being able to stop and apply handbrake every time, etc.
To me it seems a bit big brother- dictating where you can go and when is not the answer.
Either you have passed your driving test and are competent on the roads or you have not. If you have passed but are not competent then the quality of the test and the teaching needs revisiting.
Perhaps the Govt could make it more financially feasible to get more real-life experience post-passing. I did the most learning after I had passed, in situations and places not covered on my learning routes, requiring reactions and responses not possible with hands nicely positioned at 10 and 2 and feeding the wheel throw my almost-static hands, being able to stop and apply handbrake every time, etc.
menousername said:
Those are the very people it will not stop though.
To me it seems a bit big brother- dictating where you can go and when is not the answer.
Either you have passed your driving test and are competent on the roads or you have not. If you have passed but are not competent then the quality of the test and the teaching needs revisiting.
Perhaps the Govt could make it more financially feasible to get more real-life experience post-passing. I did the most learning after I had passed, in situations and places not covered on my learning routes, requiring reactions and responses not possible with hands nicely positioned at 10 and 2 and feeding the wheel throw my almost-static hands, being able to stop and apply handbrake every time, etc.
A driving test can only measure a certain level of competence. You learn how to actually drive in all the thousands of hours of driving that follow.To me it seems a bit big brother- dictating where you can go and when is not the answer.
Either you have passed your driving test and are competent on the roads or you have not. If you have passed but are not competent then the quality of the test and the teaching needs revisiting.
Perhaps the Govt could make it more financially feasible to get more real-life experience post-passing. I did the most learning after I had passed, in situations and places not covered on my learning routes, requiring reactions and responses not possible with hands nicely positioned at 10 and 2 and feeding the wheel throw my almost-static hands, being able to stop and apply handbrake every time, etc.
For a newly qualified driver to be at the same level as a driver with a few years experience would be prohibitively expensive in terms of the number of driving lessons required.
It would be sensible to have restrictions on drivers post qualification that reflect this.
menousername said:
Those are the very people it will not stop though.
To me it seems a bit big brother- dictating where you can go and when is not the answer.
Either you have passed your driving test and are competent on the roads or you have not. If you have passed but are not competent then the quality of the test and the teaching needs revisiting.
Perhaps the Govt could make it more financially feasible to get more real-life experience post-passing. I did the most learning after I had passed, in situations and places not covered on my learning routes, requiring reactions and responses not possible with hands nicely positioned at 10 and 2 and feeding the wheel throw my almost-static hands, being able to stop and apply handbrake every time, etc.
A driving test will only test the ability to drive the car set to the standards of the test on the day, it won't measure if you are a bit short on IQ or need to grow-up a bit. To me it seems a bit big brother- dictating where you can go and when is not the answer.
Either you have passed your driving test and are competent on the roads or you have not. If you have passed but are not competent then the quality of the test and the teaching needs revisiting.
Perhaps the Govt could make it more financially feasible to get more real-life experience post-passing. I did the most learning after I had passed, in situations and places not covered on my learning routes, requiring reactions and responses not possible with hands nicely positioned at 10 and 2 and feeding the wheel throw my almost-static hands, being able to stop and apply handbrake every time, etc.
JagLover said:
A driving test can only measure a certain level of competence. You learn how to actually drive in all the thousands of hours of driving that follow.
For a newly qualified driver to be at the same level as a driver with a few years experience would be prohibitively expensive in terms of the number of driving lessons required.
It would be sensible to have restrictions on drivers post qualification that reflect this.
Exactly - so the test needs revisiting. Or perhaps the Govt can put in place a low cost post-test scheme whereby new drivings can get much more exposure to real life conditions. Perhaps with an instructor but without the comfort of dual controls. Pass plus, but actually worth more than just the reduced insurance premiumFor a newly qualified driver to be at the same level as a driver with a few years experience would be prohibitively expensive in terms of the number of driving lessons required.
It would be sensible to have restrictions on drivers post qualification that reflect this.
Regulate power output perhaps but regulating driving in the dark rubbishes the driving test to be honest.
Plus what happens when they reach the age they can then drive in the dark - legally ready but with barely / no any experience of it still
JagLover said:
A driving test can only measure a certain level of competence. You learn how to actually drive in all the thousands of hours of driving that follow.
For a newly qualified driver to be at the same level as a driver with a few years experience would be prohibitively expensive in terms of the number of driving lessons required.
It would be sensible to have restrictions on drivers post qualification that reflect this.
Gosh if only some one had thought of thisFor a newly qualified driver to be at the same level as a driver with a few years experience would be prohibitively expensive in terms of the number of driving lessons required.
It would be sensible to have restrictions on drivers post qualification that reflect this.
https://under17-carclub.co.uk/?gclid=CjwKCAjwscDpB...
S16KBW said:
a ban on driving at night time (by either definition of sunset to sun rise or actual night time such as 22:00-06:00) would have negatively impacted my work and school life when I first passed my test so I disagree with the curfew element.
However a graduated license that caps the amount of passengers etc such as in Australia I think is a very good idea, I have fond memories of driving like a tit because my mates were with me, as well as a couple of bumps being distracted by having a car full of idiots, so I think a cap on passengers for the fist few months/year is a must.
I think this is a better solution. I think only allowing family members in the car, and maybe limiting the number to one, would help a lot more than a night curfew.However a graduated license that caps the amount of passengers etc such as in Australia I think is a very good idea, I have fond memories of driving like a tit because my mates were with me, as well as a couple of bumps being distracted by having a car full of idiots, so I think a cap on passengers for the fist few months/year is a must.
That's an opinion though, I'd be interested to see some facts from Australia about its effect.
Is another factor here simply that young drivers are more likely to be in older, smaller and less safe cars, and at night more likely to be carrying multiple passengers?
Wouldn't introducing a rule that young drivers must be off the road by, say 10pm, mean that come 9:45pm the road would be full of young drivers all desperate to get home as quickly as possible. Isn't this just moving the problem?
Wouldn't introducing a rule that young drivers must be off the road by, say 10pm, mean that come 9:45pm the road would be full of young drivers all desperate to get home as quickly as possible. Isn't this just moving the problem?
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