Philip Hammond complete c*ck or principled politico?

[Murph7355]

irocfan said:

failing grayling

WRT hammond - there is talk that 6 remaniacs are set to not only resign the whip but join the libdems. GE here we come Even worse at this point the possibility of corbi and mcD getting their hands on the keys to the sweetshop

The LDs is probably where people like Hammond and Chukka actually belong.

A VoNC seems highly likely ahead of the 31st Oct if Johnson can't get modifications to the current WA. Will be interesting to see if the house can get the numbers to force an election...and if the outcome of any election is actually more beneficial to the likes of the LDs with their stated agenda...I don't think that is anywhere near a given.

I also don't think the UK can be forced to take an extension...so if the timing of a VoNC/election is wrong, surely we could be in a position where there's nobody to ask for an extension and so we drop out by default at the end of October?

[Countdown]

I would say "principled".

If you listen to the interview i think he says something along the lines of "Boris is committed to a No-Deal Brexit, in order to deliver that he should have a cabinet that is fully signed up to the same message, I am not and, therefore I'm resigning"

[anonymous-user]

Be amusing though if the 6 di go over to cuddle with Chukky
Then they Tories put up new candidates and the 6 lose.

[JagLover]

Murph7355 said:

The LDs is probably where people like Hammond and Chukka actually belong.

You could say that of someone like Heidi Allen, but probably unfair on Hammond.

His problem is that he sees the Conservatives as the political wing of the CBI. With no understanding of either the long term implications of his actions and the need to maintain the Conservative coalition.

[AC43]

JagLover said:

Murph7355 said:

The LDs is probably where people like Hammond and Chukka actually belong.

You could say that of someone like Heidi Allen, but probably unfair on Hammond.

His problem is that he sees the Conservatives as the political wing of the CBI. With no understanding of either the long term implications of his actions and the need to maintain the Conservative coalition.

If you actually listen to what he says he's (a) been on record for years as hating European political integration and (b) has sorted out public borrowing down to 1.1% of GDP which (c) gives us another 0.9% of wriggle room (around £80bn).

His first point is that he'd like to see this £80bn spent sensibly after an orderly Brexit rather than spunked up against the wall in a no deal scenario.

His second point is that both Hunt and Bojo have committed many multiples of that amount.

He's the chancellor. He's entitled to his opinions and I think he's being perfectly sensible.

[Robertj21a]

JagLover said:

You could say that of someone like Heidi Allen, but probably unfair on Hammond.

His problem is that he sees the Conservatives as the political wing of the CBI. With no understanding of either the long term implications of his actions and the need to maintain the Conservative coalition.

Like so many, he views Brexit as an issue solely about trade. As Brexiteers know, there is much more involved for those wanting to leave the EU.

[Blackpuddin]

Now Duncan has chucked in the towel, taking the usual resigner's opportunity to advertise all his 'achievements', as they do. Pathetic.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49069880

[Murph7355]

techiedave said:

Be amusing though if the 6 di go over to cuddle with Chukky
Then they Tories put up new candidates and the 6 lose.

If recent proceedings are anything to go by, none of them would fully resign and prompt a by-election. And one cannot be forced upon the constituency AFAIK.

Come a GE, if they'd moved over the LDs then they'd have to stand under that banner. LDs were nowhere at the last election in his constituency so he may be considered a shoe-in for them to have a go. Brexit was also VERY close in his constituency.

(Gauke's probably much safer as his constituency was more remain leaning...Stewart might find life a bit tougher though as it was even further the other way).

[sugerbear]

Blackpuddin said:

Now Duncan has chucked in the towel, taking the usual resigner's opportunity to advertise all his 'achievements', as they do. Pathetic.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49069880

Are you saying he is lying about his achievements?

I dont think I have ever seen a CV with a list of failures attached.

[Piha]

I salute these politicians that are sticking to their beliefs rather than the mealy mouthed flip flopping populist scum that appear to dominate the main media channels.

[paulrockliffe]

sugerbear said:

Blackpuddin said:

Now Duncan has chucked in the towel, taking the usual resigner's opportunity to advertise all his 'achievements', as they do. Pathetic.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49069880

Are you saying he is lying about his achievements?

I dont think I have ever seen a CV with a list of failures attached.

I think he's saying that when you resign you don't need to attach your CV, you do that when you apply for a job.

But this is from the guy that went to the Vote Leave office and said he'd campaign to leave but only if they made him Chairman. Then campaigned to remain. Nothing but ego.

[anonymous-user]

[quote=Piha]I salute these politicians that are sticking to their beliefs rather than the mealy mouthed flip flopping populist scum that appear to dominate the main media channels.

Yea but your just regarded as the light hearted humourist in these threads. A sort of funny version of that one who used to post some months back.

[NoNeed]

Piha said:

I salute these politicians that are sticking to their beliefs rather than the mealy mouthed flip flopping populist scum that appear to dominate the main media channels.

Like Corbyn?

[jtremlett]

Murph7355 said:

...I also don't think the UK can be forced to take an extension...so if the timing of a VoNC/election is wrong, surely we could be in a position where there's nobody to ask for an extension and so we drop out by default at the end of October?

I believe Parliament isn't back from the Summer recess until 3 September and, under the Fixed Term Parliament Act, Parliament has to be dissolved 25 working days before a General Election so that gives probably less than two weeks at the beginning of September for a No Confidence Vote ending in a General Election that doesn't cut across the end of October. But I assume, in such a scenario there would be some other vote to force another request to extend Article 50.

[anonymous-user]

Alan Duncan who would have thought it.
It's more bks he knows he would be sacked anyway. Pretending anything else is just taking the piss

[NoNeed]

jtremlett said:

Murph7355 said:

...I also don't think the UK can be forced to take an extension...so if the timing of a VoNC/election is wrong, surely we could be in a position where there's nobody to ask for an extension and so we drop out by default at the end of October?

I believe Parliament isn't back from the Summer recess until 3 September and, under the Fixed Term Parliament Act, Parliament has to be dissolved 25 working days before a General Election so that gives probably less than two weeks at the beginning of September for a No Confidence Vote ending in a General Election that doesn't cut across the end of October. But I assume, in such a scenario there would be some other vote to force another request to extend Article 50.

Then there is the question of who do they ask as the EU doesn't sit till november.

[Fittster]

If Boris doesn't reach out to remain/anti-no deal MPs how is he expecting to govern?

[Blackpuddin]

techiedave said:

Alan Duncan who would have thought it.
It's more bks he knows he would be sacked anyway. Pretending anything else is just taking the piss

People are resigning now because they are venal and chronically ambitious. They don't want their precious reputations besmirched by what is about to happen re the EU when BJ takes over. BJ is only doing it for the kudos of the PM-ship. For him, any damage is incidental and of no interest, plus it's a price worth paying for the top job, especially when it conveniently comes with so much negative baggage that gives him an excuse/something to blame. It's all about personal aggrandisement with these people.

[gooner1]

techiedave said:

Alan Duncan who would have thought it.
It's more bks he knows he would be sacked anyway. Pretending anything else is just taking the piss

And as Ian Dale has just opined on Politics Live, Duncan didn't wait till Wednesday ,
because his resignation then would just of been a footnote.

This way it's all about him. fking Peacock.

[anonymous-user]

Blackpuddin said:

Waffle about not liking Boris Johnson .

I can see your upset but what would you have more of Mrs May Jezza in at no 10 ?
Mr Hunt how about that nice slightly odd chap Rory ?