Philip Hammond complete c*ck or principled politico?
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gooner1 said:
This way it's all about him. f
king Peacock.
Such is the way with ALL politicians, as is the nature of their job; ie they have to reapply every 5 years or less! If any of them were truly principled, and made good long term decisions which came with short term negative consequences they'd never be re-elected at the next general election. Its why a lot of issues get kicked down the road so those decisions dont need to be made until just after a GE. king Peacock.Do you really think Corybn or Boris are leading (or wanting to lead) their parties out of a sense of national duty, or an ego trip?
techiedave said:
Blackpuddin said:
Waffle about not liking Boris Johnson .
I can see your upset but what would you have more of Mrs May Jezza in at no 10 ?Mr Hunt how about that nice slightly odd chap Rory ?
Currently some politicians = children with their toys in a pram looking for attention.
Honestly, the whole system needs changing whereby politician resigning party, moving to another party whilst elected, etc etc = by election. They were elected as a representative of their constituency and party not themselves.
Honestly, the whole system needs changing whereby politician resigning party, moving to another party whilst elected, etc etc = by election. They were elected as a representative of their constituency and party not themselves.
Blackpuddin said:
techiedave said:
Blackpuddin said:
Waffle about not liking Boris Johnson .
I can see your upset but what would you have more of Mrs May Jezza in at no 10 ?Mr Hunt how about that nice slightly odd chap Rory ?
It is just that the situation is as it is and unfortunately I can't see any real way to change it. Too many people vote tribally. Corbyns new politics is anything but.
Brexit was a case of give the people the vote they want and they will vote the way we want except the people didn't
Blackpuddin said:
People are resigning now because they are venal and chronically ambitious. They don't want their precious reputations besmirched by what is about to happen re the EU when BJ takes over. BJ is only doing it for the kudos of the PM-ship. For him, any damage is incidental and of no interest, plus it's a price worth paying for the top job, especially when it conveniently comes with so much negative baggage that gives him an excuse/something to blame. It's all about personal aggrandisement with these people.
there's nothing written here that I can disagree with. The best thing about BJ (beyond the obvious joke) is that he's not corbi McdTestaburger said:
NoNeed said:
biggbn said:
NoNeed said:
Hammond is the perfect traitor
def; a person who betrays someone or something, such as a friend, cause, or principle.
He stood on a manifesto and has betrayed those that voted for him because of that
Was his constituency a leave, or remain one? Genuinely interesteddef; a person who betrays someone or something, such as a friend, cause, or principle.
He stood on a manifesto and has betrayed those that voted for him because of that
It makes no difference, because it was a referendum; a vote of pure nationwide numbers, not seats.
As such, he is not their MP to deliver the constituents wishes on Brexit. He’s in the cabinet, however, to deliver it.
NoNeed said:
WCZ said:
NoNeed said:
Makes no difference
I've seen people argue that everyone in goverment who voted remain should be sacked or leave as their views are incompatible with publics As to integrity - why then did he (and several other Brexiteers in the Tory ranks) vote in favour of the Brexit deal at the 3rd time of asking.
That doesn't sound like integrity and principle - sounds like pragmatism.
oyster said:
What about those MPs (like Boris on a couple of occasions) that voted against the manifesto committment of a Brexit deal?
As to integrity - why then did he (and several other Brexiteers in the Tory ranks) vote in favour of the Brexit deal at the 3rd time of asking.
That doesn't sound like integrity and principle - sounds like pragmatism.
No Bojo fan here, I agree, honour and integrity seems to have been lost by most MP'sAs to integrity - why then did he (and several other Brexiteers in the Tory ranks) vote in favour of the Brexit deal at the 3rd time of asking.
That doesn't sound like integrity and principle - sounds like pragmatism.
But it sounds more like opportunism than pragmatism to me.
Condi said:
gooner1 said:
This way it's all about him. fking Peacock.
Such is the way with ALL politicians, as is the nature of their job; ie they have to reapply every 5 years or less! If any of them were truly principled, and made good long term decisions which came with short term negative consequences they'd never be re-elected at the next general election. Its why a lot of issues get kicked down the road so those decisions dont need to be made until just after a GE. king Peacock.Do you really think Corybn or Boris are leading (or wanting to lead) their parties out of a sense of national duty, or an ego trip?
All the above Remoaners saying Hammond is 'principled'... 
One reason - one reason only - they are siding with 'principled' - because he is a Remoaner, he's on their side.
The man is neither principled (far from it!) nor is he a cock, he is simply a crafty, extremely rich (ie: read multimillionaire), EU loving Remainer and constant Remoaner.
Have you Remainers forgotten the C4 Dispatches programme about housing that outed him almost 2 yrs ago to date?
Crafty Phil bought 3 acres of greenbelt land next to his home from a 'Housebuilder/developer' for c.£100k, then strikes up an agreement (to last to 2028) whereby should the land become available for 'development', he (Hammond) and the same Housebuilder could each make up to £3M each!
Surprise, surprise, he didn't declare it on the MPs Register of Interests. Principled?
And what did former chairman of the Committee on Standards in Public Life, Sir Alistair Graham, think of it? He said he believed any such arrangements as Mr Hammond’s should always be publicly declared.
He certainly knows how to make or rather keep his money - he 'avoided' thousand of pounds in tax after transferring his share of a £600,000 buy-to-let property to his wife in 2014. Above board, but crafty.
Principled? Pah!
Good riddance.
One reason - one reason only - they are siding with 'principled' - because he is a Remoaner, he's on their side.
The man is neither principled (far from it!) nor is he a cock, he is simply a crafty, extremely rich (ie: read multimillionaire), EU loving Remainer and constant Remoaner.
Have you Remainers forgotten the C4 Dispatches programme about housing that outed him almost 2 yrs ago to date?
Crafty Phil bought 3 acres of greenbelt land next to his home from a 'Housebuilder/developer' for c.£100k, then strikes up an agreement (to last to 2028) whereby should the land become available for 'development', he (Hammond) and the same Housebuilder could each make up to £3M each!
Surprise, surprise, he didn't declare it on the MPs Register of Interests. Principled?
And what did former chairman of the Committee on Standards in Public Life, Sir Alistair Graham, think of it? He said he believed any such arrangements as Mr Hammond’s should always be publicly declared.
He certainly knows how to make or rather keep his money - he 'avoided' thousand of pounds in tax after transferring his share of a £600,000 buy-to-let property to his wife in 2014. Above board, but crafty.
Principled? Pah!
Good riddance.
Gerradi said:
techiedave said:
I can see your upset but what would you have more of Mrs May Jezza in at no 10 ?
Mr Hunt how about that nice slightly odd chap Rory ?
Obviously Grayling...Mr Hunt how about that nice slightly odd chap Rory ?
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