Philip Hammond complete c*ck or principled politico?

[Fittster]

BlackLabel said:

Condi said:

Fittster said:

Complete cock, exactly which economic text says the best way to deal with a massive financial crisis is austerity? His poor economic judgement is responsible for Brexit.

The credit crisis was 2008, the Brexit vote was 23rd June 2016 and Hammond became chancellor on 13th July 2016. How on earth is he responsible for Brexit??


Maybe he's not the one who is a complete cock.

I can think of a couple of cocks with an even more limited grasp on economics than Hammond.

[biggbn]

NoNeed said:

Hammond is the perfect traitor

def; a person who betrays someone or something, such as a friend, cause, or principle.


He stood on a manifesto and has betrayed those that voted for him because of that

Was his constituency a leave, or remain one? Genuinely interested

[ClaphamGT3]

Welshbeef said:

As the thread is about Phillip not sure why Boris is mentioned.


Ian Duncan Smith is principled

Would this be the same Iain Duncan-Smith who had to resign as Tory leader when it came to light that he’d had his fingers in the till?

[ClaphamGT3]

Neither of those things. I have a hunch that old Spreadsheet Phil hasn’t lost his ambition for the top job and is playing the long game.

If Boris makes a complete pigs ear of Brexit and, by extension, the Tories chances at the next election, Phil seems to be positioning himself as the voice of reason and realism who can build bridges with Europe and the electorate candidate

[Murph7355]

ClaphamGT3 said:

Neither of those things. I have a hunch that old Spreadsheet Phil hasn’t lost his ambition for the top job and is playing the long game.

If Boris makes a complete pigs ear of Brexit and, by extension, the Tories chances at the next election, Phil seems to be positioning himself as the voice of reason and realism who can build bridges with Europe and the electorate candidate

Can't see him getting close to that top job.

If progress ends up prompting a GE, I don't think the Tories will stand a chance of a majority government.

[NoNeed]

biggbn said:

NoNeed said:

Hammond is the perfect traitor

def; a person who betrays someone or something, such as a friend, cause, or principle.


He stood on a manifesto and has betrayed those that voted for him because of that

Was his constituency a leave, or remain one? Genuinely interested

Makes no difference

[Testaburger]

NoNeed said:

biggbn said:

NoNeed said:

Hammond is the perfect traitor

def; a person who betrays someone or something, such as a friend, cause, or principle.


He stood on a manifesto and has betrayed those that voted for him because of that

Was his constituency a leave, or remain one? Genuinely interested

Makes no difference

FWIW his constituency was 50-50.

It makes no difference, because it was a referendum; a vote of pure nationwide numbers, not seats.

As such, he is not their MP to deliver the constituents wishes on Brexit. He’s in the cabinet, however, to deliver it.

[Ratski83]

His interview on Marr yesterday morning came across like a petulant school girl stamping his feet on the ground and not wanting to go school today because he hasn’t got his own way.

Pathetic really. Whenever I look at this miserable man it always reminds me of the words Farage used to describe Von Rompuy...

“all the charisma of a damp rag and the appearance of a low-grade bank clerk"

[amusingduck]

Trophy Husband said:

Optimistic opinion from clever, none politicals is that at best Brexit (I hate the word that isn't a word) will cost the UK economy 30 billion a year, minimum and could potentially be two times that number.
WTF is going on?

You have £1000 in the bank, and you Should Make™ £100 by working tomorrow.

You actually make £70, or even £40. Your bank now says £1070/£1040

How have you been "cost" £30/£60?

All of the predictions predict a growing economy. The predictions of how things Should Be™ are woeful anyway, so why work yourself up about it?

[Smollet]

Testaburger said:

FWIW his constituency was 50-50.

It makes no difference, because it was a referendum; a vote of pure nationwide numbers, not seats.

As such, he is not their MP to deliver the constituents wishes on Brexit. He’s in the cabinet, however, to deliver it.

My MP is Raab and his constituency voted to remain by iirc 65/35 but he's a Brexiteer. I suspect he'll get back into the cabinet and still think is a possible future PM

[Robertj21a]

anonymous said:

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Totally agree. I accept that Hammond is sticking to his principles, and respect him for that. It doesn't alter the fact that he appears to be rather out of touch these days, prefers an old fashioned cosy 'establishment' - and seems unable to see that many of us have moved on in recent times.

[anonymous-user]

Ratski83 said:

His interview on Marr yesterday morning came across like a petulant school girl stamping his feet on the ground and not wanting to go school today because he hasn’t got his own way.

This was my interpretation of his appearance on the programme. He wasn't subject to any real depth of questioning (it's not Andrew Marr's style or ability). I do wonder how he would have fared at the hands of Andrew Neil.

[WCZ]

NoNeed said:

Makes no difference

I've seen people argue that everyone in goverment who voted remain should be sacked or leave as their views are incompatible with publics

[Blackpuddin]

Simple political manoeuvring, nothing more, he's looking ahead to a time beyond the EU sh*tfest, exactly like that equally noxious witch Amber Rudd who didn't enter the PM race this time around. They're ducking the flak now in the hopes of scoring later. Pure self-interest as usual.

[NoNeed]

WCZ said:

NoNeed said:

Makes no difference

I've seen people argue that everyone in goverment who voted remain should be sacked or leave as their views are incompatible with publics

I would disagree with them if you are a remain MP and campaigned as such at the electeion so be it, however, those that campaigned on a leave manifesto should honour that, what is an MP without honour or integrity?

[Camoradi]

NoNeed said:

....what is an MP without honour or integrity?

Ready for promotion?

[Pastor Of Muppets]

anonymous said:

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Neither I, hopefully its not the end of the beginning for Hammond

I think they were consistently working on N.I.B, ...No Immediate Brexit.

Wasted years indeed.

Judging by the past 3 years all i can envisage is more wheels of confusion.

[paulrockliffe]

Robertj21a said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Totally agree. I accept that Hammond is sticking to his principles, and respect him for that. It doesn't alter the fact that he appears to be rather out of touch these days, prefers an old fashioned cosy 'establishment' - and seems unable to see that many of us have moved on in recent times.

Tim Shipman's series of books on Brexit and the aftermath shine quite a good light on Hammond and what was going on with May over 2017, in that light I can't see that Hammond was working with May on a conspiracy, Hammond appeared to accept he'd lost the argument on Single Market and CU, but wouldn't pay for No Deal prep, basically because he's got no political sense. That, amongst other factors, meant we ended up with a deal that couldn't pass and the No Deal outcome that Hammond won't support.

I don't think Hammond is sticking to any principles, given he stood on a manifesto that supporting no deal as a potential outcome and enshrined that in law by voting for the appropriate legislation. He supported a Government policy that is the same as Boris' policy, now claims he can't do that on a point of principle. bks.

[Escort3500]

Welshbeef said:

Zarco said:

Principled.

Boris is complete cock.

As the thread is about Phillip not sure why Boris is mentioned.


Ian Duncan Smith is principled

Edited by Escort3500 on Monday 22 July 10:53

[irocfan]

techiedave said:

I side with him being a cock. I think his announcement this morning was more about him being centre of attention than anything else.
I suspect he has done it to try to raise his profile within certain elements of the political masters than anything else. A man about to disappear would have done better to keep a dignified silence and avoid any interviews.

this ^^^

valiant said:

I don’t think we’ll ever see a cabinet so devoid of talent as the one we are about to get.

<labour> "hold my beer..."

CAPP0 said:

Who will be the Tory Diane Abbott? Gender irrelevant...

failing grayling


WRT hammond - there is talk that 6 remaniacs are set to not only resign the whip but join the libdems. GE here we come Even worse at this point the possibility of corbi and mcD getting their hands on the keys to the sweetshop