Boris Johnson- Prime Minister

[anonymous-user]

pgh said:

El stovey said:

So as expected, Boris goes to the EU with no ideas and they give the same offer that they gave May.

Boris blames parliament for his predictable failure. Saying they’re plotting against him and reducing his chances of getting a better deal.

The EU say Boris had no suggestions whatsoever to solve the backstop.

Beyond ignoring the 2016 vote (and demolishing democracy in the U.K.) I don’t believe there is anything that Boris can do with regards to our political independence that would win your approval.

If he could actually negotiate a deal a get it through parliament like he said he would before the referendum, that would be great.

[RichB]

El stovey said:

If he could actually negotiate a deal a get it through parliament like he said he would before the referendum, that would be great.

Before the referendum? He wasn't PM back then.

[anonymous-user]

I have no idea why British people are so terrified of leaving the E.U, an institution in such poor health, just look at what’s going on in Italy, they are also euro sceptics.

Seems to me, overturning democracy, a Corbyn government and staying/delaying departure from the E.U. would be the worst possible outcome.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 20th August 19:20

[anonymous-user]

wormus said:

I have no idea why British people are so terrified of leaving the E.U, an institution in such poor health, just look at what’s going on in Italy, they are also euro sceptics.

Seems to me, overturning democracy, a Corbyn government and staying/delaying departure from the E.U. would be the worst possible outcome.

Edited by wormus on Tuesday 20th August 19:20

Utter lunacy when you look at it!

[Otis Criblecoblis]

bhstewie said:

I have lots of concerns over things that appear duplicitous like the fact the letter he's written doesn't really say anything new, or the way he speaks about our great friends in the EU whilst Priti Patel seems to want to shut the door and pull up the drawbridge on Nov 1st.

But if you're the EU and you can read and watch the media, it seem Sept 4th (?) might be a week of fireworks so why would they do anything now?

I think the difference is that Boris is "blaming" MPs when I'm simply looking at it and thinking "What would I do if I was the EU?".

Do you think the backstop is worth the no deal cost to the EU and Ireland ?

[psi310398]

Otis Criblecoblis said:

Do you think the backstop is worth the no deal cost to the EU and Ireland ?

Of course, it is a matter of principle. I’d draw the parallel with the legal principle that an individual cannot sell himself into slavery.

[bitchstewie]

Otis Criblecoblis said:

bhstewie said:

I have lots of concerns over things that appear duplicitous like the fact the letter he's written doesn't really say anything new, or the way he speaks about our great friends in the EU whilst Priti Patel seems to want to shut the door and pull up the drawbridge on Nov 1st.

But if you're the EU and you can read and watch the media, it seem Sept 4th (?) might be a week of fireworks so why would they do anything now?

I think the difference is that Boris is "blaming" MPs when I'm simply looking at it and thinking "What would I do if I was the EU?".

Do you think the backstop is worth the no deal cost to the EU and Ireland ?

Personally no, but people have their "red lines".

My point was that right now, if I were the EU, I wouldn't be doing anything because right now there's no need for them to do so.

See if anything comes of the fireworks.

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

Otis Criblecoblis said:

bhstewie said:

I have lots of concerns over things that appear duplicitous like the fact the letter he's written doesn't really say anything new, or the way he speaks about our great friends in the EU whilst Priti Patel seems to want to shut the door and pull up the drawbridge on Nov 1st.

But if you're the EU and you can read and watch the media, it seem Sept 4th (?) might be a week of fireworks so why would they do anything now?

I think the difference is that Boris is "blaming" MPs when I'm simply looking at it and thinking "What would I do if I was the EU?".

Do you think the backstop is worth the no deal cost to the EU and Ireland ?

Personally no, but people have their "red lines".

My point was that right now, if I were the EU, I wouldn't be doing anything because right now there's no need for them to do so.

See if anything comes of the fireworks.

No st Sherlock!

Yet you'd like to see our democratic way of life thrown away, regardless of the cost,

As long as we remain in the EU?

[bitchstewie]

digimeistter said:

No st Sherlock!

Yet you'd like to see our democratic way of life thrown away, regardless of the cost,

As long as we remain in the EU?

I think it's a bit of a stretch to come to that conclusion from anything I've written.

Keep in mind Boris voted for the backstop.

Being a colony can be quite appealing if voting for it means there's a job going.

[Tuna]

bhstewie said:

Personally no, but people have their "red lines".

My point was that right now, if I were the EU, I wouldn't be doing anything because right now there's no need for them to do so.

See if anything comes of the fireworks.

Indeed. The government the EU is negotiating with have people in their ranks who are absolutely determined to shoot themselves in the foot.

I'd sit back and try not to laugh.

As a UK citizen on the other hand, I'm watching the likes of Uncle Grandpa and the Concerned Changers and thinking that they have gone beyond 'caring for their country' and moved into the realm of ideology at all costs. I can't see anything they're proposing to do having anything other than very bad consequences.

[Otis Criblecoblis]

bhstewie said:

Otis Criblecoblis said:

bhstewie said:

I have lots of concerns over things that appear duplicitous like the fact the letter he's written doesn't really say anything new, or the way he speaks about our great friends in the EU whilst Priti Patel seems to want to shut the door and pull up the drawbridge on Nov 1st.

But if you're the EU and you can read and watch the media, it seem Sept 4th (?) might be a week of fireworks so why would they do anything now?

I think the difference is that Boris is "blaming" MPs when I'm simply looking at it and thinking "What would I do if I was the EU?".

Do you think the backstop is worth the no deal cost to the EU and Ireland ?

Personally no, but people have their "red lines".

My point was that right now, if I were the EU, I wouldn't be doing anything because right now there's no need for them to do so.

See if anything comes of the fireworks.

It's not worth no deal to the EU, and especially not Ireland, but being the EU they will want to string it out and go to the brink before the heads of state tell them to knock it off.

The EU must look at the UK and think the Remain campaign has done half their work for them, what with how close to overturning the result the UK has flirted.

[Lily the Pink]

Otis Criblecoblis said:

The EU must look at the UK and think the Remain campaign has done half their work for them, ...

Indeed. All that the Remain campaign has achieved has been conflict, division, delay and prolonged uncertainty.

[Le Controleur Horizontal]

Lily the Pink said:

Otis Criblecoblis said:

The EU must look at the UK and think the Remain campaign has done half their work for them, ...

Indeed. All that the Remain campaign has achieved has been conflict, division, delay and prolonged uncertainty.

add what is very substantial damage to the trust the public have in the political system....

Remain have done well haven't they.

[psi310398]

Le Controleur Horizontal said:

Lily the Pink said:

Otis Criblecoblis said:

The EU must look at the UK and think the Remain campaign has done half their work for them, ...

Indeed. All that the Remain campaign has achieved has been conflict, division, delay and prolonged uncertainty.

add what is very substantial damage to the trust the public have in the political system....

Remain have done well haven't they.

I’m not so sure. The Remain camp as a whole has done us a favour by demonstrating incontrovertibly that the political establishment is completely corrupt and not to be trusted. It exists only to protect its own interests.

Once we have Brexit behind us, the next big task is surely a national debate on the root and branch reform of our political system to make it work better for everybody. This reform would need to include all branches of government (including quangos and the BBC) and look hard at devolving as much power as possible locally etc.

[bitchstewie]

pgh said:

bhstewie said:

Keep in mind Boris voted for the backstop.

Yes, be interesting to know what was going through his mind at the time. I'm certainly not feeling that my vote is going to be safely implemented as a result of his record to date. Since becoming PM though, all the right actions seem to have been taken.

I think we all know what was going through his mind.

"If I vote for this the boss has said she'll resign and that means there will be a job going".

Funny how quickly vassal state stuff and servitude are something you suddenly realise you can vote for when there's enough in it for you.

[amusingduck]

bhstewie said:

pgh said:

bhstewie said:

Keep in mind Boris voted for the backstop.

Yes, be interesting to know what was going through his mind at the time. I'm certainly not feeling that my vote is going to be safely implemented as a result of his record to date. Since becoming PM though, all the right actions seem to have been taken.

I think we all know what was going through his mind.

"If I vote for this the boss has said she'll resign and that means there will be a job going".

Funny how quickly vassal state stuff and servitude are something you suddenly realise you can vote for when there's enough in it for you.

Doesn't seem like a very principled person, other than the principle of doing what's best for himself. Fortunately, it seems what's best for Boris right now is to deliver Brexit on the 31st October. Happy days!

[p1stonhead]

amusingduck said:

bhstewie said:

pgh said:

bhstewie said:

Keep in mind Boris voted for the backstop.

Yes, be interesting to know what was going through his mind at the time. I'm certainly not feeling that my vote is going to be safely implemented as a result of his record to date. Since becoming PM though, all the right actions seem to have been taken.

I think we all know what was going through his mind.

"If I vote for this the boss has said she'll resign and that means there will be a job going".

Funny how quickly vassal state stuff and servitude are something you suddenly realise you can vote for when there's enough in it for you.

Doesn't seem like a very principled person, other than the principle of doing what's best for himself. Fortunately, it seems what's best for Boris right now is to deliver Brexit on the 31st October. Happy days!

Not really. If no deal is as bad as his own government reports predict it might be, he’s done anyway.

Hence I think he will ditch Northern Ireland ASAP.

I honestly think if it comes to it, he will ask for an extension over no deal. Boris ONLY looks out for Boris and his negotiating competency right now seems to be up there with the likes of Trump I.e absolutely hopeless bluster and bullst.

We shall see soon enough!

[NoNeed]

p1stonhead said:

Not really. If no deal is as bad as his own government reports predict it might be, he’s done anyway.

Hence I think he will ditch Northern Ireland ASAP.

I honestly think if it comes to it, he will ask for an extension over no deal. Boris ONLY looks out for Boris and his negotiating competency right now seems to be up there with the likes of Trump I.e absolutely hopeless bluster and bullst.

We shall see soon enough!

How do you draw that conclusion? The EU haven't even said they will negotiate so Boris can't until then, however he must be capable as he has virtually reunited his party and got people on board with plans they were opposed to.

[amusingduck]

p1stonhead said:

Not really. If no deal is as bad as his own government reports predict it might be, he’s done anyway.

Hence I think he will ditch Northern Ireland ASAP.

I honestly think if it comes to it, he will ask for an extension over no deal. Boris ONLY looks out for Boris and his negotiating competency right now seems to be up there with the likes of Trump I.e absolutely hopeless bluster and bullst.

We shall see soon enough!

I couldn't disagree more, what you are saying doesn't make any sense to me.

If Boris doesn't deliver Brexit, he's done. An extension makes no sense because it solves nothing, it just kicks the can for a bit longer in the hopes that a unicorn will arrive. If he kicks the can, I think his support will evaporate, and he's finished.

If he delivers Brexit, he's stuck to his word, and has plenty of excuses to roll out afterwards.

Fancy a charity bet? No Deal vs Boris asks for extension?

[p1stonhead]

amusingduck said:

p1stonhead said:

Not really. If no deal is as bad as his own government reports predict it might be, he’s done anyway.

Hence I think he will ditch Northern Ireland ASAP.

I honestly think if it comes to it, he will ask for an extension over no deal. Boris ONLY looks out for Boris and his negotiating competency right now seems to be up there with the likes of Trump I.e absolutely hopeless bluster and bullst.

We shall see soon enough!

I couldn't disagree more, what you are saying doesn't make any sense to me.

If Boris doesn't deliver Brexit, he's done. An extension makes no sense because it solves nothing, it just kicks the can for a bit longer in the hopes that a unicorn will arrive. If he kicks the can, I think his support will evaporate, and he's finished.

If he delivers Brexit, he's stuck to his word, and has plenty of excuses to roll out afterwards.

Fancy a charity bet? No Deal vs Boris asks for extension?

Only a guess on my part! But sure why not. £50?