Boris Johnson- Prime Minister
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Randy Winkman said:
I don't get it. Elected by who for what?
Constituents just like all PM's only Boris can add 100,000 party members to his list for a vote to be PMBlair 33000 in 1997 + labour MP's
Boris 23000 + party MP's + 100,000 party members.
even if you say he was only elected by party members that us still 3 times more than Blair and the party vote was for PM not MP like Blairs.
Now explain Gordon Browns.
Escapegoat said:
NoNeed said:
where you get undemocratic from God only knows
Er... Boris' own words?"It’s the arrogance. It’s the contempt. That’s what gets me. It’s Gordon Brown’s apparent belief that he can just trample on the democratic will of the British people. ... gigantic fraud."
"The extraordinary thing is that it looks as though he will now be in 10 Downing Street for three years, and without a mandate from the British people. No one elected Gordon Brown as Prime Minister"
Now, you need to get into Vaud's mindset, so that you can put these apparently-principled claims into the "well, all politicians say that" box.
I'll say it again, it's a feature not a bug.
The thing about our electoral system is that when you vote at an election, you implicitly accept the systems in place for parties to elect their leaders, whether it's by party members or union block votes, or ignoring no confidence votes or choosing the biggest mouth who's never been elected as an MP.
If you feel so strongly about new party leaders becoming PM, vote for a party/parties that state that they will call a GE if their leader carks it, steps down or is ousted, as part of their constitution.
The thing about our electoral system is that when you vote at an election, you implicitly accept the systems in place for parties to elect their leaders, whether it's by party members or union block votes, or ignoring no confidence votes or choosing the biggest mouth who's never been elected as an MP.
If you feel so strongly about new party leaders becoming PM, vote for a party/parties that state that they will call a GE if their leader carks it, steps down or is ousted, as part of their constitution.
NoNeed said:
Randy Winkman said:
I don't get it. Elected by who for what?
Constituents just like all PM's only Boris can add 100,000 party members to his list for a vote to be PMBlair 33000 in 1997 + labour MP's
Boris 23000 + party MP's + 100,000 party members.
even if you say he was only elected by party members that us still 3 times more than Blair and the party vote was for PM not MP like Blairs.
Now explain Gordon Browns.
WabiSabi said:
I'll say it again, it's a feature not a bug.
The thing about our electoral system is that when you vote at an election, you implicitly accept the systems in place for parties to elect their leaders, whether it's by party members or union block votes, or ignoring no confidence votes or choosing the biggest mouth who's never been elected as an MP.
If you feel so strongly about new party leaders becoming PM, vote for a party/parties that state that they will call a GE if their leader carks it, steps down or is ousted, as part of their constitution.
Typical lefties not liking our representative democracy unless they are getting one of their ownThe thing about our electoral system is that when you vote at an election, you implicitly accept the systems in place for parties to elect their leaders, whether it's by party members or union block votes, or ignoring no confidence votes or choosing the biggest mouth who's never been elected as an MP.
If you feel so strongly about new party leaders becoming PM, vote for a party/parties that state that they will call a GE if their leader carks it, steps down or is ousted, as part of their constitution.
Escapegoat said:
NoNeed said:
Like I have said, MORE people voted directly for Boris to be PM than any other Prime Minister since the war
10/10 for sophistry. But it still doesn't change Boris' hypocrisy about his own ascendancy.
Piha said:
OK, let's play a little game, let's call it the de Pfeffel plays......
"Rank hypocrisy" or "actual leadership intension"
You missed the bit where he went on to say "Rank hypocrisy" or "actual leadership intension"
"..unless a bunch of clueless incompetents screw things up so badly that they have to actually resign as Prime Minister and loose their job as advisor to the prime minister."
In other news, politicians scoring cheap points as opposition saying something they later contradict.... shocker. How will the public respond to such a charlatan?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/british-pm-jo...
I hope those paid for by donkeys guys aren't planning any jobs in marketing any time soon.
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digimeistter said:
On behalf of Boris, I personally would like to thank all the UK servants of the EU for finally giving us an actual Prime Minister.
Nah, he's just one of your effete twits badly educated and hopeless in dealing with anyone not English. It's like there been a secret laboratory producing Anglo morons for UK leadership positions.I thought this offered an interesting perspective (albeit one I don't fully agree with)
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/boriss-night...
I share his belief that the Boris going for the simplest thing and one easiest achievable, default Brexit on 31 Oct.
I think getting hung up on the two year "transition period" is as silly as Remoaner hysteria over a few months of disruption after a "no deal" Brexit, both are a blink of an eye in the life of a nation.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/boriss-night...
I share his belief that the Boris going for the simplest thing and one easiest achievable, default Brexit on 31 Oct.
I think getting hung up on the two year "transition period" is as silly as Remoaner hysteria over a few months of disruption after a "no deal" Brexit, both are a blink of an eye in the life of a nation.
Tuna said:
You missed the bit where he went on to say
"..unless a bunch of clueless incompetents screw things up so badly that they have to actually resign as Prime Minister and loose their job as advisor to the prime minister."
In other news, politicians scoring cheap points as opposition saying something they later contradict.... shocker. How will the public respond to such a charlatan?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/british-pm-jo...
I hope those paid for by donkeys guys aren't planning any jobs in marketing any time soon.
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Write out 100 times: Using ‘loose’ when one means ‘lose’ makes one a ‘loser’."..unless a bunch of clueless incompetents screw things up so badly that they have to actually resign as Prime Minister and loose their job as advisor to the prime minister."
In other news, politicians scoring cheap points as opposition saying something they later contradict.... shocker. How will the public respond to such a charlatan?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/british-pm-jo...
I hope those paid for by donkeys guys aren't planning any jobs in marketing any time soon.
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What was that about cheap points?
Escapegoat said:
Er... Boris' own words?
"It’s the arrogance. It’s the contempt. That’s what gets me. It’s Gordon Brown’s apparent belief that he can just trample on the democratic will of the British people. ... gigantic fraud."
"The extraordinary thing is that it looks as though he will now be in 10 Downing Street for three years, and without a mandate from the British people. No one elected Gordon Brown as Prime Minister"
Now, you need to get into Vaud's mindset, so that you can put these apparently-principled claims into the "well, all politicians say that" box.
You do also have to think a little bit on the subject too. Blair and Brown pre planned Brown's takeover years in advance, all with as if it was their right to play games. That might be where the arrogance comes in to it. Failing to recognise the difference here is a tad disengenuous. "It’s the arrogance. It’s the contempt. That’s what gets me. It’s Gordon Brown’s apparent belief that he can just trample on the democratic will of the British people. ... gigantic fraud."
"The extraordinary thing is that it looks as though he will now be in 10 Downing Street for three years, and without a mandate from the British people. No one elected Gordon Brown as Prime Minister"
Now, you need to get into Vaud's mindset, so that you can put these apparently-principled claims into the "well, all politicians say that" box.
If you want to campaign for a new law that a general election must be held in the PM steps down or is removed, that's all well and good.
Otis Criblecoblis said:
You do also have to think a little bit on the subject too. Blair and Brown pre planned Brown's takeover years in advance, all with as if it was their right to play games. That might be where the arrogance comes in to it. Failing to recognise the difference here is a tad disengenuous.
If you want to campaign for a new law that a general election must be held in the PM steps down or is removed, that's all well and good.
All of which is a total irrelevance. No surprise the point eludes you but the point does elude you. Tenner says I scan back through your posts & find more than a few bandying the word hypocrisy about.If you want to campaign for a new law that a general election must be held in the PM steps down or is removed, that's all well and good.
NoNeed said:
Piha said:
Vaud said:
Piha said:
It's politics. 
But now his populist claptrap is coming back to haunt him. As seen with his recent rebuttal by Macron.
Tuna said:
Piha said:
OK, let's play a little game, let's call it the de Pfeffel plays......
"Rank hypocrisy" or "actual leadership intension"
You missed the bit where he went on to say "Rank hypocrisy" or "actual leadership intension"
"..unless a bunch of clueless incompetents screw things up so badly that they have to actually resign as Prime Minister and loose their job as advisor to the prime minister."
In other news, politicians scoring cheap points as opposition saying something they later contradict.... shocker. How will the public respond to such a charlatan?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/british-pm-jo...
I hope those paid for by donkeys guys aren't planning any jobs in marketing any time soon.
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THE TRUTH said:
It wasn't all good news for Johnson, though.
A total of 52% of respondents backed a public vote on a Brexit deal whilst 29% opposed such a move and 19% said they did not know, according to Kantar.
A total of 52% of respondents backed a public vote on a Brexit deal whilst 29% opposed such a move and 19% said they did not know, according to Kantar.
Piha said:
Tuna said:
Piha said:
OK, let's play a little game, let's call it the de Pfeffel plays......
"Rank hypocrisy" or "actual leadership intension"
You missed the bit where he went on to say "Rank hypocrisy" or "actual leadership intension"
"..unless a bunch of clueless incompetents screw things up so badly that they have to actually resign as Prime Minister and loose their job as advisor to the prime minister."
In other news, politicians scoring cheap points as opposition saying something they later contradict.... shocker. How will the public respond to such a charlatan?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/british-pm-jo...
I hope those paid for by donkeys guys aren't planning any jobs in marketing any time soon.
.
THE TRUTH said:
It wasn't all good news for Johnson, though.
A total of 52% of respondents backed a public vote on a Brexit deal whilst 29% opposed such a move and 19% said they did not know, according to Kantar.
A total of 52% of respondents backed a public vote on a Brexit deal whilst 29% opposed such a move and 19% said they did not know, according to Kantar.
Le Controleur Horizontal said:
Can we have a second "Check" poll on that poll please
LOL LOL LOL
Why of course, would sir prefer an early autumn referendum or one around Christmas?LOL LOL LOL
banjowilly said:
Otis Criblecoblis said:
You do also have to think a little bit on the subject too. Blair and Brown pre planned Brown's takeover years in advance, all with as if it was their right to play games. That might be where the arrogance comes in to it. Failing to recognise the difference here is a tad disengenuous.
If you want to campaign for a new law that a general election must be held in the PM steps down or is removed, that's all well and good.
All of which is a total irrelevance. No surprise the point eludes you but the point does elude you. Tenner says I scan back through your posts & find more than a few bandying the word hypocrisy about.If you want to campaign for a new law that a general election must be held in the PM steps down or is removed, that's all well and good.
If you want to take simple quotes and hold them up as being equal , then you really need to them to be equal in the situation , but here they are not really the same. The pre planned take over of Brown is not the same as Boris standing for leader when another Remainer PM quit.
To anyone else it would be an interesting point in the difference. To you its an opportunity to stick your fingers in your ears and scream.
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