Boris Johnson- Prime Minister
Discussion
AshVX220 said:
I was about to say that I was looking forward to reading all the tantrums and meltdowns on facebook, don't really need it as there are a few on here already.
As always, things will be fine, the world will not end, the sky will not fall.
Your idea of what constitutes a tantrum or a meltdown seems a bit off.As always, things will be fine, the world will not end, the sky will not fall.
Richard-390a0 said:
Bonefish Blues said:
I wish him every success - I really do, we can't go on as we have been.
+1 to this, no good wishing ill will to the captain of the ship we're all sailing on!
For the sake of this country I hope he does OK. I have met him and he is far, far sharper than many give him credit for. You may not like the style, you may not like the man, you may not like his morals, indeed you may not like how he looks, talks, eats, sleeps or breathes, BUT those gleefully praying for his downfall need to ask themselves what they are actually wishing for.
You can froth all you like about how Brexit is his fault (it really isn't) and imagine that the only possible outcome is disaster (it really isn't) but what is your alternative? As always, it will probably come down to the fact that some of the most ardent Remainers simply cannot get their head around the result of the Referendum and will therefore stop at nothing to get their own way.
What is interesting is that, if the media are to be believed (and that is a big IF!!) then some EU countries have already reached out to Boris with suggestions of ways forward. If that is the case, then some here might be surprised just how quickly Johnson can pull a new deal together and secure Brexit in a form that is acceptable to enough people. It will not be pure, perfect or acceptable to everyone....but it does not have to be. It just has to not be Mays deal, and look good enough to enough people in order for it to be acceptable. The sad thing is that, if the UK PM had started out a little more robustly 3 years ago then we probably would have a very different situation today. Moreover, we would probably have got a better deal then than we are going to get now. But we are where we are.
The prospect of an early GE? I honestly don't think Boris will do this. For a start there is no appetite in the country for an election and I think people would take a dim view if he tried that on. They want to see him do something first, and that means Brexit...in one form or another.
For all its very many faults, the Conservative party is a dangerous animal when put in a corner, and people should not under estimate its desire to survive. For that reason alone Corbyn is not getting the keys to No10 any time soon.
Once Brexit is done and the dust begins to settle, I think we will see Boris working hard to unite what is now a very disunited country. If he succeeds at THAT, then he will have achieved enough to justify winning a GE in my opinion.
You can froth all you like about how Brexit is his fault (it really isn't) and imagine that the only possible outcome is disaster (it really isn't) but what is your alternative? As always, it will probably come down to the fact that some of the most ardent Remainers simply cannot get their head around the result of the Referendum and will therefore stop at nothing to get their own way.
What is interesting is that, if the media are to be believed (and that is a big IF!!) then some EU countries have already reached out to Boris with suggestions of ways forward. If that is the case, then some here might be surprised just how quickly Johnson can pull a new deal together and secure Brexit in a form that is acceptable to enough people. It will not be pure, perfect or acceptable to everyone....but it does not have to be. It just has to not be Mays deal, and look good enough to enough people in order for it to be acceptable. The sad thing is that, if the UK PM had started out a little more robustly 3 years ago then we probably would have a very different situation today. Moreover, we would probably have got a better deal then than we are going to get now. But we are where we are.
The prospect of an early GE? I honestly don't think Boris will do this. For a start there is no appetite in the country for an election and I think people would take a dim view if he tried that on. They want to see him do something first, and that means Brexit...in one form or another.
For all its very many faults, the Conservative party is a dangerous animal when put in a corner, and people should not under estimate its desire to survive. For that reason alone Corbyn is not getting the keys to No10 any time soon.
Once Brexit is done and the dust begins to settle, I think we will see Boris working hard to unite what is now a very disunited country. If he succeeds at THAT, then he will have achieved enough to justify winning a GE in my opinion.
Bonefish Blues said:
coldel said:
- this PM'ship is all about his ego and nothing more.
Widely held to be true, but I really don't care if he can plot us a path back to something that looks rather more, well, normal!Lord Marylebone said:
There isn’t anything faux about my outrage.
Well, I say outrage, it’s more like disgust and sadness that this is where we have ended up as a nation.
Sold a fake dream by an absolute spiv of a snake oil salesmen who only cares about himself.
Staggeringly that salesman now becomes our PM.
This will be an unmitigated disaster for our country.
You can quote me on this and refer back to it in 12 months time.
This is uncannily like my reaction in May 1997...Well, I say outrage, it’s more like disgust and sadness that this is where we have ended up as a nation.
Sold a fake dream by an absolute spiv of a snake oil salesmen who only cares about himself.
Staggeringly that salesman now becomes our PM.
This will be an unmitigated disaster for our country.
You can quote me on this and refer back to it in 12 months time.
FN2TypeR said:
Bonefish Blues said:
coldel said:
- this PM'ship is all about his ego and nothing more.
Widely held to be true, but I really don't care if he can plot us a path back to something that looks rather more, well, normal!psi310398 said:
Lord Marylebone said:
There isn’t anything faux about my outrage.
Well, I say outrage, it’s more like disgust and sadness that this is where we have ended up as a nation.
Sold a fake dream by an absolute spiv of a snake oil salesmen who only cares about himself.
Staggeringly that salesman now becomes our PM.
This will be an unmitigated disaster for our country.
You can quote me on this and refer back to it in 12 months time.
This is uncannily like my reaction in May 1997...Well, I say outrage, it’s more like disgust and sadness that this is where we have ended up as a nation.
Sold a fake dream by an absolute spiv of a snake oil salesmen who only cares about himself.
Staggeringly that salesman now becomes our PM.
This will be an unmitigated disaster for our country.
You can quote me on this and refer back to it in 12 months time.
I liked him far less after he went to war with Iraq and started saying he took advice from ‘God’.
digimeistter said:
Let the faux outrage and smear campaign begin.....
It’s already well underway, his image, hair and anything else immaterial will now become the only thing discussed, people will forget about actual policies and politics.He is also now Trump 2.0, can someone explain that?
More seriously, I've read some interesting commentary that this may mark the end of centrism. We've had centrists in power for a significant time, yet now they're being ousted in a revolution they really don't understand. Boris and Corbyn are the natural results of that - people looking for incisive action (even if it's chaotic or catastrophic) rather than more of the same.
Let's see what this brings. If the only argument for centrists is that Boris makes them look good, we're in for a bumpy ride
Let's see what this brings. If the only argument for centrists is that Boris makes them look good, we're in for a bumpy ride
TheGuru said:
It’s already well underway, his image, hair and anything else immaterial will now become the only thing discussed, people will forget about actual policies and politics.
He is also now Trump 2.0, can someone explain that?
Sadly it's evidence of the increasing polarisation of politics. He is also now Trump 2.0, can someone explain that?
Bonefish Blues said:
FN2TypeR said:
Bonefish Blues said:
coldel said:
- this PM'ship is all about his ego and nothing more.
Widely held to be true, but I really don't care if he can plot us a path back to something that looks rather more, well, normal!Bonefish Blues said:
coldel said:
- this PM'ship is all about his ego and nothing more.
Widely held to be true, but I really don't care if he can plot us a path back to something that looks rather more, well, normal!RizzoTheRat said:
irocfan said:
The next GE (which may be very soon!) could be interesting
Wasn't Boris was rather vocal about how Gordon Brown taking over in a party leadership contest rather than a general election was wrong? 
Not that there's any better options if we do have a general election.
Tuna said:
More seriously, I've read some interesting commentary that this may mark the end of centrism. We've had centrists in power for a significant time, yet now they're being ousted in a revolution they really don't understand. Boris and Corbyn are the natural results of that - people looking for incisive action (even if it's chaotic or catastrophic) rather than more of the same.
Let's see what this brings. If the only argument for centrists is that Boris makes them look good, we're in for a bumpy ride
Boris is just another establishment liberal. Brexit has been made a left/right issue (when it is really nothing of the sort) but that doesn't make Boris any less a centrist. Let's see what this brings. If the only argument for centrists is that Boris makes them look good, we're in for a bumpy ride
He might get Brexit over the line as that is what he has committed too. Beyond that though I doubt there will be any decisive break in any other policy area.
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