Harry and Meghan
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Sway said:
That, I can understand - the "walking away from it all".
Seems to fall apart when the "walking away from it all" really isn't, and instead is "walking into even worse, but with dosh coming into the current accounts".
Perhaps they think they're doing it on their own terms to some degree.Seems to fall apart when the "walking away from it all" really isn't, and instead is "walking into even worse, but with dosh coming into the current accounts".
All this talk from some of "blackmailing the queen" and and how now they're being "punished" and "put in their place" seems absurd.
So far as I'm aware nobody definitively knows what they asked for and everything is from "sources" who won't put their name next to anything.
They may be entirely happy with what's been arranged yet people seem to be willing them to fail.
The levels of bitterness and resentment towards the prospect of some happiness for two (three if you include Archie) people who've never done anyone any harm so far as I'm aware is just so unhealthy.
The sentiment is like if your wife leaves you for someone else. You blame her and the other guy. She had an affair, she was unfaithful, that guy broke up our marriage, they destroyed our family etc
The truth is that she only met the other guy because she was unhappy and your relationship wasn’t working in the first place.
You probably won’t want them to be happy, if you’re still having to pay her money, it’s made even worse.
Is Harry’s rejecting us? he must be brainwashed by Meg, so people want them to fail and definitely don’t want to be paying them any allowances.
The queen and other royals have their own values and views of what being a royal means and what they’re willing to put up with for it, Harry and Meg have seen it don’t want it for their family.
Doesn’t mean that everyone can’t still get along as a family anymore. Presumably Harry is rejecting being a royal not the actual people in his family.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Sway said:
That, I can understand - the "walking away from it all".
Seems to fall apart when the "walking away from it all" really isn't, and instead is "walking into even worse, but with dosh coming into the current accounts".
Perhaps they think they're doing it on their own terms to some degree.Seems to fall apart when the "walking away from it all" really isn't, and instead is "walking into even worse, but with dosh coming into the current accounts".
All this talk from some of "blackmailing the queen" and and how now they're being "punished" and "put in their place" seems absurd.
So far as I'm aware nobody definitively knows what they asked for and everything is from "sources" who won't put their name next to anything.
They may be entirely happy with what's been arranged yet people seem to be willing them to fail.
The levels of bitterness and resentment towards the prospect of some happiness for two (three if you include Archie) people who've never done anyone any harm so far as I'm aware is just so unhealthy.
On your point about what they asked for - they put rather a lot on their website, much of which has been overruled (such as Frogmore being a wedding gift, so theirs - that's now changed to paying rent for it, and paying back renovation costs). Just one example.
Sway said:
You're not challenging the upper levels of the pyramid of debate here...
Strawman - "just like the rest of 'em". Nicely leads to what you really wanted to say, and now have - that we're all misogynists, and therefore there is no need to actually debate on the specific examples or data available.
"Seems to be" merely reinforces the fact you're well aware of it being a strawman...
Oh and thanks. Been called many things, but never a "triggered snowflake" (or indeed misogynist). I'll add that to my bingo card.
He doesn't really want you to debate him, he just wants to do his usual 'rock up to a thread, throw a statement out that PH is all racists and sexists and disappear for another two days feeling all virtuous and special' thing.....best to ignore really.Strawman - "just like the rest of 'em". Nicely leads to what you really wanted to say, and now have - that we're all misogynists, and therefore there is no need to actually debate on the specific examples or data available.
"Seems to be" merely reinforces the fact you're well aware of it being a strawman...
Oh and thanks. Been called many things, but never a "triggered snowflake" (or indeed misogynist). I'll add that to my bingo card.
El stovey said:
It’s about rejection. British love the royals and Harry and Meg have said, actually it’s not all that great, we’re getting out,.
Harry was actually the most popular, if you believe the polls? I’d actually wager a referendum would be touch and go for them to remain as they are? Youths don’t care in the main, you’d have to back one or two generations, the Di wedding for example for the universal support? Two big scandals in short order and no end in sight to it, the press will just fuel the noise now for easy column inches.98elise said:
Does she have a lavish lifestyle? Seems she doesn't want the Royal lifestyle, and before Harry she just had her millions of dollars to get by on?
She seems to enjoy travelling the world by private jet, while lecturing us on the environment, living in waterfront mansions and so on. Seems quite lavish to me and having a net worth of 'just' $4M seems to preclude that kind of lifestyle. Now that current $4M will be increasing massively she will be able to afford it, thanks to the Royal family increasing her profile.cb31 said:
98elise said:
Does she have a lavish lifestyle? Seems she doesn't want the Royal lifestyle, and before Harry she just had her millions of dollars to get by on?
She seems to enjoy travelling the world by private jet, while lecturing us on the environment, living in waterfront mansions and so on. Seems quite lavish to me and having a net worth of 'just' $4M seems to preclude that kind of lifestyle. Now that current $4M will be increasing massively she will be able to afford it, thanks to the Royal family increasing her profile.yonex said:
Dont like rolls said:
She is an actress and a (was) a minor B list celeb and due to "fame" will get/make money directly from her now being "a Princess", trailer based USA and the Hollywood types will love it. (The big stars will look down/use on her)
What job can Harry do other than trade on is Royal birth, he is after all just a rather under experienced demobbed Army officer.
Apart from his enormous fortune, a contact list which any business would kill for and 24/7 access to the royal family. Does anyone really believe Queenie will let her grandson be exposed to risks, no way.What job can Harry do other than trade on is Royal birth, he is after all just a rather under experienced demobbed Army officer.
As for Meghan being ‘used’, if that means being paid a lot of money for various things, sounds pretty good really?
I’m sure he’ll scrape by
t pond he now wishes to swim in.His "contact list" is only worth anything IF his "Royal" is exploited.
They will be used, the top celebs will wear them like a bit of fashion.
Welcome to the world of the pure hypocrisy, vacuous, self serving, virtual signalling celebrity.
Edited by Dont like rolls on Sunday 19th January 10:05
Dont like rolls said:
Harry has not got an enormous fortune, it would be to me but not in anyway compared to others in the vacuous st pond he now wishes to swim in.
His "contact list" is only worth anything IF his "Royal" is exploited.
They will be used, the top celebs will wear them like a bit of fashion.
You know the crowd, why are they ‘vacuous st pond he now wishes to swim in.His "contact list" is only worth anything IF his "Royal" is exploited.
They will be used, the top celebs will wear them like a bit of fashion.
t’, are you annoyed someone walked away from the ‘vacuous elite’ into another ‘pond’?Harry will be courted everywhere. The US will love him, Asia etc. Nobody, apart from a few royalists in the UK will care he’s not ‘official’, in fact that makes him much more relevant.
I have never been a royalist but one can only admire the dedication to the job that the Queen, Princess Anne and Charles have put into it and now William.
The other hangers on are just that privileged by birth using the association and doing minor things when asked.
Megan was aware of the pressure but willing to accept it, until it took away her individuality, she stopped being Megan and became a part of the "firm" with all the restrictions that put upon them.
The crux of this is, as some suggest, that she has been treated badly by the press because she is black? To my mind she has not but the press has exposed the huge gap between her version of things and others. Her family have been castigated as bad by Megan's team and yet now it appears there may be some truth to their story that it is Megan's ways that have led to rifts.
Some feel that she has dragged Harry away, that may be so and nothing to do with us so long as we do not have to pay a penny for the choice they have made.
No one should be unhappy but many would swap places with her and him as their idea of unhappy is miles away from most. As it is they want to no longer be Royal and not accept the funds for being one, that is fine.
They will do fine but will they ever truly be happy? I suspect that they will not as somethings will change and there will be severe restrictions on what they can and cannot do to make money.
Many who suck up to them now may not now the magical connection has gone, who knows but if I were the media I would give them no press now, leave them alone and only mention them if it is unconnected to the Royals.
In the main that is what happend with Wallace and Edward, once gone they were soon forgotten.
The other hangers on are just that privileged by birth using the association and doing minor things when asked.
Megan was aware of the pressure but willing to accept it, until it took away her individuality, she stopped being Megan and became a part of the "firm" with all the restrictions that put upon them.
The crux of this is, as some suggest, that she has been treated badly by the press because she is black? To my mind she has not but the press has exposed the huge gap between her version of things and others. Her family have been castigated as bad by Megan's team and yet now it appears there may be some truth to their story that it is Megan's ways that have led to rifts.
Some feel that she has dragged Harry away, that may be so and nothing to do with us so long as we do not have to pay a penny for the choice they have made.
No one should be unhappy but many would swap places with her and him as their idea of unhappy is miles away from most. As it is they want to no longer be Royal and not accept the funds for being one, that is fine.
They will do fine but will they ever truly be happy? I suspect that they will not as somethings will change and there will be severe restrictions on what they can and cannot do to make money.
Many who suck up to them now may not now the magical connection has gone, who knows but if I were the media I would give them no press now, leave them alone and only mention them if it is unconnected to the Royals.
In the main that is what happend with Wallace and Edward, once gone they were soon forgotten.
El stovey said:
cb31 said:
98elise said:
Does she have a lavish lifestyle? Seems she doesn't want the Royal lifestyle, and before Harry she just had her millions of dollars to get by on?
She seems to enjoy travelling the world by private jet, while lecturing us on the environment, living in waterfront mansions and so on. Seems quite lavish to me and having a net worth of 'just' $4M seems to preclude that kind of lifestyle. Now that current $4M will be increasing massively she will be able to afford it, thanks to the Royal family increasing her profile.IIRC The actors in Friends were earning 1m per episode in its final seasons. Obviously that's an extreme case, but it shows how much successful TV shows will pay.
Edited to add....
A quick Google suggests 50k per episode, which is less than I expected! IMDB says she was in 108 episodes so that's 5m. Then there is advertising, endorsements, pubic appearances etc. Based on that 4m net worth sounds reasonable.
Edited by 98elise on Sunday 19th January 10:37
98elise said:
US TV pays well. Suits has been running for 8 or 9 seasons so I'm surprised it's that low. A main character in a long running TV series (especially one sold abroad) will be on big money.
IIRC The actors in Friends were earning 1m per episode in its final seasons. Obviously that's an extreme case, but it shows how much successful TV shows will pay.
Take off 50%+ tax and the lifestyle these celebs live I’d wager on average many don’t have a massive bank account instead running far leaner than you’d presume. IIRC The actors in Friends were earning 1m per episode in its final seasons. Obviously that's an extreme case, but it shows how much successful TV shows will pay.
A person earning £40k lives to that lifestyle pump it up to £100k most change to enjoy the fruits that income yields etc.
A couple of points;
Money, what restrictions, they are now civilians? They are hot property for every avenue in the media etc, opportunities in business and beyond.
Happiness. Why does everyone think they will end up in a car crash, and if so, as the divorce rate is 3:1 (or worse) seems normal? Andrew split up, anyone give a st if he’s happy...er no.
Lastly, it’s totally different to Edward. Edward was a king, not 6th in-line (or whatever). There was also no social media in the 30’s!
It’s actually baffling so many want them to suffer or fail for this move.
Money, what restrictions, they are now civilians? They are hot property for every avenue in the media etc, opportunities in business and beyond.
Happiness. Why does everyone think they will end up in a car crash, and if so, as the divorce rate is 3:1 (or worse) seems normal? Andrew split up, anyone give a s
t if he’s happy...er no. Lastly, it’s totally different to Edward. Edward was a king, not 6th in-line (or whatever). There was also no social media in the 30’s!
It’s actually baffling so many want them to suffer or fail for this move.
I think Harry is evil for using this poor girl to finally get his wish of splitting the family.
He's brazenly managed the situation to his advantage, he even packed her off once she'd been used and abused and he's here gloating over all of us.
I always thought he was the dimmer spare, but the way he carefully orchestrated the press from welcoming her with open arms, to slowly chipping away at this love with astutely placed comments in the social media in her name, using her lack of understanding of duty, to serve and British culture as a whole as a cover, even managing to label the press as racist so they can't answer back. I was wrong, genius.
Boo to you Harry!
He's brazenly managed the situation to his advantage, he even packed her off once she'd been used and abused and he's here gloating over all of us.
I always thought he was the dimmer spare, but the way he carefully orchestrated the press from welcoming her with open arms, to slowly chipping away at this love with astutely placed comments in the social media in her name, using her lack of understanding of duty, to serve and British culture as a whole as a cover, even managing to label the press as racist so they can't answer back. I was wrong, genius.
Boo to you Harry!
As I see it, the Royal Family is basically a family business. There’s always lots of pressure to join the family business, but understandable and not unheard of, for offspring to want to opt out. What’s not allowed is to set up a competing business.
However, even if they don’t, they can expect that every time they attend a family gathering someone will be hinting they really ought to come back and help.
However, even if they don’t, they can expect that every time they attend a family gathering someone will be hinting they really ought to come back and help.
98elise said:
El stovey said:
cb31 said:
98elise said:
Does she have a lavish lifestyle? Seems she doesn't want the Royal lifestyle, and before Harry she just had her millions of dollars to get by on?
She seems to enjoy travelling the world by private jet, while lecturing us on the environment, living in waterfront mansions and so on. Seems quite lavish to me and having a net worth of 'just' $4M seems to preclude that kind of lifestyle. Now that current $4M will be increasing massively she will be able to afford it, thanks to the Royal family increasing her profile.IIRC The actors in Friends were earning 1m per episode in its final seasons. Obviously that's an extreme case, but it shows how much successful TV shows will pay.
Edited to add....
A quick Google suggests 50k per episode, which is less than I expected! IMDB says she was in 108 episodes so that's 5m. Then there is advertising, endorsements, pubic appearances etc. Based on that 4m net worth sounds reasonable.
Edited by 98elise on Sunday 19th January 10:37
abzmike said:
Sadly the Mail and others will hound them until their dying day. They now have no Buck House press office to restrict access on pain of removal from official tours etc... they are on their own, and the paps will be all over them 24x7.
Well, if some of the comments on here are anything to go by, there may be enough creepy, obsessive men to fuel a market for stories about them. There are possibly also women who are interested. yonex said:
A couple of points;
Money, what restrictions, they are now civilians? They are hot property for every avenue in the media etc, opportunities in business and beyond.
Happiness. Why does everyone think they will end up in a car crash, and if so, as the divorce rate is 3:1 (or worse) seems normal? Andrew split up, anyone give a st if he’s happy...er no.
Lastly, it’s totally different to Edward. Edward was a king, not 6th in-line (or whatever). There was also no social media in the 30’s!
It’s actually baffling so many want them to suffer or fail for this move.
It is very peculiar. It says more about those people than it does about Harry and his wife.Money, what restrictions, they are now civilians? They are hot property for every avenue in the media etc, opportunities in business and beyond.
Happiness. Why does everyone think they will end up in a car crash, and if so, as the divorce rate is 3:1 (or worse) seems normal? Andrew split up, anyone give a s
t if he’s happy...er no. Lastly, it’s totally different to Edward. Edward was a king, not 6th in-line (or whatever). There was also no social media in the 30’s!
It’s actually baffling so many want them to suffer or fail for this move.
I'm not sure that they reliase it, though.
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