Harry and Meghan
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Disastrous said:
I suspect age plays a large part in the anger.
In the younger generations the following is true:
Nobody really cares for the values Rod Liddle espouses as being ‘British’ (thank God) any more.
Nobody cares much about what the Royals do or don’t do.
People DO care about the environment and don’t believe climate change deniers.
They also care about their fellow man and will seek to put human rights over economics.
What makes the gammons angry is that they know this deep down, and that in just a generation or two, everything they’re cross about (Europe, Political Correctness, Woke culture, gender fluidity, the Royals etc) will all be reset as if they’d never been there.
All the things they’ve bayed and howled over will be forgotten as time rolls on and the things they like will be consigned to history.
It’s that really, isn’t it?
I suspect so. In the younger generations the following is true:
Nobody really cares for the values Rod Liddle espouses as being ‘British’ (thank God) any more.
Nobody cares much about what the Royals do or don’t do.
People DO care about the environment and don’t believe climate change deniers.
They also care about their fellow man and will seek to put human rights over economics.
What makes the gammons angry is that they know this deep down, and that in just a generation or two, everything they’re cross about (Europe, Political Correctness, Woke culture, gender fluidity, the Royals etc) will all be reset as if they’d never been there.
All the things they’ve bayed and howled over will be forgotten as time rolls on and the things they like will be consigned to history.
It’s that really, isn’t it?
Its interesting that not everybody of a certain age is like that, though.
I consider myself fortunate in having parents and other older relatives who are not cantankerous, reactionary, fist shaking nostalgics.
I'm in my Forties, and hope that I do not become one in future years.
Ps. Rod Riddle comes across as a horrible man in his columns and on TV/radio.
I don't agree with everything I read in the Independent or the Guardian, but I find reading the modern day Telegraph, the Daily Mail and the Express genuinely quite unpleasant. If one of those is your only source of news and opinion, then it may explain a lot.
smn159 said:
I had to look that up... jeez there's some nutters in the world!
And there is a group of them in N,P&E.This news non-story is like the goose that lays golden eggs for the angry, confused, old British man. So many things combining upon which to focus their anger.
Edited by MC Bodge on Sunday 19th January 17:49
Disastrous said:
I suspect age plays a large part in the anger.
In the younger generations the following is true:
Nobody really cares for the values Rod Liddle espouses as being ‘British’ (thank God) any more.
Nobody cares much about what the Royals do or don’t do.
People DO care about the environment and don’t believe climate change deniers.
They also care about their fellow man and will seek to put human rights over economics.
What makes the gammons angry is that they know this deep down, and that in just a generation or two, everything they’re cross about (Europe, Political Correctness, Woke culture, gender fluidity, the Royals etc) will all be reset as if they’d never been there.
All the things they’ve bayed and howled over will be forgotten as time rolls on and the things they like will be consigned to history.
It’s that really, isn’t it?
Likewise when they are older and their kids and grandkids are up and coming the same thing will happen again and again. In the younger generations the following is true:
Nobody really cares for the values Rod Liddle espouses as being ‘British’ (thank God) any more.
Nobody cares much about what the Royals do or don’t do.
People DO care about the environment and don’t believe climate change deniers.
They also care about their fellow man and will seek to put human rights over economics.
What makes the gammons angry is that they know this deep down, and that in just a generation or two, everything they’re cross about (Europe, Political Correctness, Woke culture, gender fluidity, the Royals etc) will all be reset as if they’d never been there.
All the things they’ve bayed and howled over will be forgotten as time rolls on and the things they like will be consigned to history.
It’s that really, isn’t it?
Previously we never had this / there is no way not matter what if my parents when young disagreed with their grandparents would they disrespect them sadly respecting your elders seems to be an erroding commodity.
What makes me laugh.
As a country we have convinced ourselves the pinaccle is getting dressed by someone in the morning,fed then asked what hand we have to shake today.
Rot away the rest of your life with no power or control but some fancy title and jewellery. Nice places to wander round but dont stray outside.
Hats of to harry and megan for taking control of ther lives. All these old fools can die off
over the next decade or so doing all this boring dross they have convinced themselves has meaning.
It has to mean something otherwise the whole country look like fools for worshipping it.
As a country we have convinced ourselves the pinaccle is getting dressed by someone in the morning,fed then asked what hand we have to shake today.
Rot away the rest of your life with no power or control but some fancy title and jewellery. Nice places to wander round but dont stray outside.
Hats of to harry and megan for taking control of ther lives. All these old fools can die off
over the next decade or so doing all this boring dross they have convinced themselves has meaning.
It has to mean something otherwise the whole country look like fools for worshipping it.
Disastrous said:
I suspect age plays a large part in the anger.
In the younger generations the following is true:
Nobody really cares for the values Rod Liddle espouses as being ‘British’ (thank God) any more.
Nobody cares much about what the Royals do or don’t do.
People DO care about the environment and don’t believe climate change deniers.
They also care about their fellow man and will seek to put human rights over economics.
What makes the gammons angry is that they know this deep down, and that in just a generation or two, everything they’re cross about (Europe, Political Correctness, Woke culture, gender fluidity, the Royals etc) will all be reset as if they’d never been there.
All the things they’ve bayed and howled over will be forgotten as time rolls on and the things they like will be consigned to history.
It’s that really, isn’t it?
I think you are looking at two extreme types, old and young and pretending everyone is like them, young and old, whereas in reality, they are not. It's not that simple and binary, at all. In the younger generations the following is true:
Nobody really cares for the values Rod Liddle espouses as being ‘British’ (thank God) any more.
Nobody cares much about what the Royals do or don’t do.
People DO care about the environment and don’t believe climate change deniers.
They also care about their fellow man and will seek to put human rights over economics.
What makes the gammons angry is that they know this deep down, and that in just a generation or two, everything they’re cross about (Europe, Political Correctness, Woke culture, gender fluidity, the Royals etc) will all be reset as if they’d never been there.
All the things they’ve bayed and howled over will be forgotten as time rolls on and the things they like will be consigned to history.
It’s that really, isn’t it?
You say "young care about the environment". I believe as many "old people" *there's millions of them in the UK, care about the environment, as young. I would also point out, that obviously, those old people have cared about it for longer, and many have actually don't something about it, eg, worked in the industry, contributed to the cause financially, advertised it etc etc.They can "prove" their feelings on the issue through their actions, few young people can / will be able to. If you wanna see how environmentally aware many young people are, have a look at what's left after a typical summer Festival, particularly one that hasn't been marketed to be "green" and allows people to bring what they like to it, and more importantly, leave what they like!
Like it or not, there are some 350k people working in environmental services in the UK, the sector is about £65BN worth. I am not convinced that all these people are "young".
As for British values, well such values are different for different people, and whilst these may be proportional that merely reflects the experiences and lifestyle different demographics have. It is not true to say, however, that all old people for example love the Royal Family, a heck of a lot don't. And vice versa.
What I think is true, is that the access to interests, causes, and personalities that younger people have is far higher than any generation before. So whilst as a kid, I may have been obsessed with cars and motorbikes, and not much else, and spent every waking hour finding, buying and reading on the subjects to a exclusion of all else, that was because there was only so many hours in the day, and having such interests took far more time than nowadays. The availability of info, publications, photos, articles, tests, videos etc, for such hobbies means young folk can be as knowledgeable as I was, with a 10th of the dedication! And then they can go and find out and get interested in other stuff on top. That's not saying they are more passionate about a subject or interest than i was, just that it is easier for them to get interested in it and "show it", via the media platforms they can easily access for free .
And then finally, it is true, always has been, that life priorities change. Many of the "gammons" that you think are old fuddy duddy farts, with no idea of how to have fun and just get angry all the time about the yoof of today, were about in the late 50s and 60s, when rival gangs of bikers were knocking seven bells out of each other every weekend, going to pop concerts with 100k people at them and people fainting through hysteria, up to their eyeballs on hallucinagenic drugs, dope, coke, etc etc every weekend, hell, many people into the Madchester scene are now in their 50s! And every one of them had some old boy or old dear giving them a hard time about it, saying they've not got a clue, wasting their lives etc.
So it is nothing new. And each of these people grow more toward their "ardent critics" as they get older......it will always be the same. We all loved a good old party with loud music, too much booze, chucking up in the street when we were teenagers, but when next doors kids do it and you're 40, you moan your arse off about it!
Fundoreen said:
What makes me laugh.
As a country we have convinced ourselves the pinaccle is getting dressed by someone in the morning,fed then asked what hand we have to shake today.
Rot away the rest of your life with no power or control but some fancy title and jewellery. Nice places to wander round but dont stray outside.
Hats of to harry and megan for taking control of ther lives. All these old fools can die off
over the next decade or so doing all this boring dross they have convinced themselves has meaning.
It has to mean something otherwise the whole country look like fools for worshipping it.
Ha you little tease you - clearly pretending to be a republican supporter As a country we have convinced ourselves the pinaccle is getting dressed by someone in the morning,fed then asked what hand we have to shake today.
Rot away the rest of your life with no power or control but some fancy title and jewellery. Nice places to wander round but dont stray outside.
Hats of to harry and megan for taking control of ther lives. All these old fools can die off
over the next decade or so doing all this boring dross they have convinced themselves has meaning.
It has to mean something otherwise the whole country look like fools for worshipping it.
yonex said:
IME many more old timers are supporters of the royal family, younger generations aren't just not supportive, they couldn't care less.
I agree, I think they have far "more" interests but get far less involved in them, just because of the massive increase in exposure to information in the last 20 years or so. yonex said:
Dont like rolls said:
Yet in my experience many or the young-uns like the $oyals, esp Harry and her.
According to my info in the youth underworld, the royals are 'butters'
Pesty said:
yonex said:
Dont like rolls said:
Yet in my experience many or the young-uns like the $oyals, esp Harry and her.
According to my info in the youth underworld, the royals are 'butters'The young people in my area are more concerned about their next holiday from school and are hoping for a nice trip abroad, but now they have heard of Vancouver Island, I fear a lot of hopes are to be dashed in that direction and the cost involved! Great location though!
yonex said:
We don't have 'yoof' in the cotswolds, we have young people.
Oh...you very much do have yoofhttps://www.google.com/maps/@51.9091428,-2.0804993...
Disastrous said:
I suspect age plays a large part in the anger.
In the younger generations the following is true:
Nobody really cares for the values Rod Liddle espouses as being ‘British’ (thank God) any more.
Nobody cares much about what the Royals do or don’t do.
People DO care about the environment and don’t believe climate change deniers.
They also care about their fellow man and will seek to put human rights over economics.
What makes the gammons angry is that they know this deep down, and that in just a generation or two, everything they’re cross about (Europe, Political Correctness, Woke culture, gender fluidity, the Royals etc) will all be reset as if they’d never been there.
All the things they’ve bayed and howled over will be forgotten as time rolls on and the things they like will be consigned to history.
It’s that really, isn’t it?
Probably for the most part quite accurate - add in the likelihood that Tabloids will be gone so less skewing of opinions as well.In the younger generations the following is true:
Nobody really cares for the values Rod Liddle espouses as being ‘British’ (thank God) any more.
Nobody cares much about what the Royals do or don’t do.
People DO care about the environment and don’t believe climate change deniers.
They also care about their fellow man and will seek to put human rights over economics.
What makes the gammons angry is that they know this deep down, and that in just a generation or two, everything they’re cross about (Europe, Political Correctness, Woke culture, gender fluidity, the Royals etc) will all be reset as if they’d never been there.
All the things they’ve bayed and howled over will be forgotten as time rolls on and the things they like will be consigned to history.
It’s that really, isn’t it?
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