Harry and Meghan

[Dont like rolls]

Flumpo said:

Dont like rolls said:

I don't disagree, there are A-B-C....Z levels of "worth" placed on an Actress/Actor

Marriage to Harry does not change that in anyway other that increase her level of celebrity, this has the effect of raising her profile for other reasons than her skill as an actress....which remains B-list at best.

Name ONE Actor/Actress you would trust with your son/daughter/brother/sister.

Tom hanks.

Yep I agree, I will give you that and I accept there are some but, it is a great struggle to think of many. He did shag another person whilst still married however.

[Burwood]

Dont like rolls said:

poo at Paul's said:

Did she not give up "Suits"? Or was that before she met him?

Who cares about suits, UP the ladder makes more money. Very short term views you have.

If Harry goes full celeb, he will make more money and have more sycophants and arse lickers than he could have dreamed of having as HRH (officially).

He will have to look in the mirror everyday however and he is not the "Hollywood type" who would sell their morals for a nomination.

Suits, lol. It gets 3m viewers. A good show gets 10m.

As an aside, it is patently obvious the driver is mainly Harry and his media intrusion fears. I think they’ll make a lit if money endorsing various brands, public speaking etc. The media intrusion will probably intensify however

[London424]

Countdown said:

hyphen said:

bhstewie said:

From a quick glance at the Daily Mail I see Piers Morgan is still on it.

Bloke's not right.

Bloke is getting paid handsomely for these articles, only takes him 5 mins to churn them out.

You aren't right for not realising it's a paid gig and clicks are through the roof

That's exactly the thing that H&M have been complaining about. People talking complete rubbish about them, (perhaps for financial gain, perhaps just because they're a twunt) and other people, perhaps not the greatest thinkers in the world, accepting what has been said at face value.

Clearly it became so tiresome they decided to say "Fine, fk the lot of you, we're off".

And so they’re heading off to the US whose media market makes ours look positively tame and unobtrusive.

Any media protection they had as royals is up in smoke.

[miniman]

Flumpo said:

Dont like rolls said:

I don't disagree, there are A-B-C....Z levels of "worth" placed on an Actress/Actor

Marriage to Harry does not change that in anyway other that increase her level of celebrity, this has the effect of raising her profile for other reasons than her skill as an actress....which remains B-list at best.

Name ONE Actor/Actress you would trust with your son/daughter/brother/sister.

Tom hanks.

[Countdown]

London424 said:

And so they’re heading off to the US whose media market makes ours look positively tame and unobtrusive.

Any media protection they had as royals is up in smoke.

They're going to Canada.

[Rewe]

Dont like rolls said:

Rewe said:

Dont like rolls said:

hyphen said:

He is not a particularly attractive middle aged fat bloke living a celeb lifestyle.

Why would he change, he gets to hang out with B-LIST actresses like Megan

FTFU

A list, B list or Z list, it doesn’t change her value as a person or have any bearing at all on the issue being discussed.

I don't disagree, there are A-B-C....Z levels of "worth" placed on an Actress/Actor

Marriage to Harry does not change that in anyway other that increase her level of celebrity, this has the effect of raising her profile for other reasons than her skill as an actress....which remains B-list at best.

Name ONE Actor/Actress you would trust with your son/daughter/brother/sister.

I’ve no idea how good an actor she is, I’m only making the point that being great or average at her job has no bearing on her worth as a human.

The second question is interesting, but I only know one actor. She is a good person but a sample of one is hardly scientific!

[MC Bodge]

DeepEnd said:

MC Bodge said:

another perspective on some of the people on here

I caught some of LBC on catch up earlier and O'Brien was running almost the same discussion that was here earlier - broadly about the venn diagram of angry men raging at Greta, Brexit/EU, Harry/Meghan, etc. and asking what makes them angry. Laurence Fox fits in the same category. He also noting the people saying "but where is the specific racism?". It's all a bit Farage poster.

I don't think that it is specifically racism, although that could be an element.

As we have discussed previously, it is grumpy, ANGRY people who are nostalgic, envious, dislike "the other" and are disappointed with their own lives and their impotence to do anything about what is going on. They love having a focal point for their anger and upon which to apportion blame, whether rightly or not

Everything was better in "their day", even things that weren't.


They probably want Big Ben to bong to signify, er, well whatever wonderful thing it signifies on 31st Jan.

They are ANGRY.

Edited by MC Bodge on Monday 20th January 20:43

[Sway]

London424 said:

And so they’re heading off to the US whose media market makes ours look positively tame and unobtrusive.

Any media protection they had as royals is up in smoke.

Yep.

What was it that prevented the UK press publishing the topless papped photos of Kate?

Their "sense of honour" - or knowing anyone that did would be permanently frozen out of the Royal Press Pool? Hmm...

[London424]

Countdown said:

London424 said:

And so they’re heading off to the US whose media market makes ours look positively tame and unobtrusive.

Any media protection they had as royals is up in smoke.

They're going to Canada.

They’ll be in the US more than Canada...and now the US media will follow them.

[MC Bodge]

London424 said:

Countdown said:

London424 said:

And so they’re heading off to the US whose media market makes ours look positively tame and unobtrusive.

Any media protection they had as royals is up in smoke.

They're going to Canada.

They’ll be in the US more than Canada...and now the US media will follow them.

And you'll be cheering them on?

[DeepEnd]

MC Bodge said:

I don't think that it is specifically racism, although that could be an element.

As we have discussed previously, it is grumpy, ANGRY people who are nostalgic, envious, dislike "the other" and are disappointed with their own lives and their impotence to do anything about what is going on. They love having a focal point for their anger and upon which to apportion blame, whether rightly or not

Everything was better in "their day", even things that weren't.

They are ANGRY.

Do you think it's a new thing? I don't recall lots of angry men decades ago, moaning about stuff to this extent. There is something to be said that they have never had their frustrations fed so readily by various media that clearly is very successful at fueling their anger.

The Harry and Markle debacle and the reactions here and elsewhere really has shone a light for me on what is really behind Brexit for many.

[MC Bodge]

DeepEnd said:

MC Bodge said:

I don't think that it is specifically racism, although that could be an element.

As we have discussed previously, it is grumpy, ANGRY people who are nostalgic, envious, dislike "the other" and are disappointed with their own lives and their impotence to do anything about what is going on. They love having a focal point for their anger and upon which to apportion blame, whether rightly or not

Everything was better in "their day", even things that weren't.

They are ANGRY.

Do you think it's a new thing? I don't recall lots of angry men decades ago, moaning about stuff to this extent. There is something to be said that they have never had their frustrations fed so readily by various media that clearly is very successful at fueling their anger.

The Harry and Markle debacle and the reactions here and elsewhere really has shone a light for me on what is really behind Brexit for many.

Social media has given everybody a voice to rant and to be able to find others to agree with them, rather than being laughed at or ignored.

I was aware that Brexit had little to do with the actual EU. Comments from some of the usual suspects on here and elsewhere made it fairly obvious.

Although it isn't every older person, there is a tendency for it to be older people. It is such a shame that population demographics are such that the age profile is top heavy in this country, otherwise we wouldn't have to be concerning ourselves with Big Ben bonging or not to signify our self-inflicted retreat.

[Murph7355]

DeepEnd said:

....
The Harry and Markle debacle and the reactions here and elsewhere really has shone a light for me on what is really behind Brexit for many.

I don't think you have a clue. I don't think you ever have. And I don't think you ever will.

The "Harry and Markle debacle" is just ANOther item you misread.

[ATG]

It isn't just the old. The wide spread hysteria after the death of the Princess of Wales was shocking. Obviously the event itself was dreadfully sad, just as is any avoidable death that bereaves children, but the collective hysteria was self-indulgent, prurient, fantastical idiocy on a scale I had never imagined possible. The total lack of self-reflection of the participants was unnerving. Otherwise normal people behaving like lunatics and feeling confident in their behaviour because they surrounded themselves with fellow lunatics and were egged on by the gutter press whose own spectacular cynicism was largely responsible for the death in the first place.

[DeepEnd]

Murph7355 said:

I don't think you have a clue. I don't think you ever have. And I don't think you ever will.

The "Harry and Markle debacle" is just ANOther item you misread.

No, I think I really get it now. What are you really angry about Murph?

[Dr Murdoch]

ATG said:

largely responsible for the death in the first place.

Was it though?

If she had 'belted up' and didn't employ a drunk driver to whiz her through the city....

Thats not the media's fault.

Seat belt + a sober driver the world would/could be a different place today!

p.s Not defending the media, just highlighting fatal decisions that were made by Harry's mum.

[don'tbesilly]

DeepEnd said:

MC Bodge said:

I don't think that it is specifically racism, although that could be an element.

As we have discussed previously, it is grumpy, ANGRY people who are nostalgic, envious, dislike "the other" and are disappointed with their own lives and their impotence to do anything about what is going on. They love having a focal point for their anger and upon which to apportion blame, whether rightly or not

Everything was better in "their day", even things that weren't.

They are ANGRY.

Do you think it's a new thing? I don't recall lots of angry men decades ago, moaning about stuff to this extent. There is something to be said that they have never had their frustrations fed so readily by various media that clearly is very successful at fueling their anger.

The Harry and Markle debacle and the reactions here and elsewhere really has shone a light for me on what is really behind Brexit for many.

You'd blame anything on Brexit, the obsession will be engraved on your tombstone.

[ATG]

Dr Murdoch said:

ATG said:

largely responsible for the death in the first place.

Was it though?

If she had 'belted up' and didn't employ a drunk driver to whiz her through the city....

Thats not the media's fault.

Seat belt + a sober driver the world would/could be a different place today!

p.s Not defending the media, just highlighting fatal decisions that were made by Harry's mum.

With respect, arguing the toss on precisely how much each party was to blame is just indulging yourself in the type of behaviour I was describing.

[Robertj21a]

DeepEnd said:

Do you think it's a new thing? I don't recall lots of angry men decades ago, moaning about stuff to this extent. There is something to be said that they have never had their frustrations fed so readily by various media that clearly is very successful at fueling their anger.

The Harry and Markle debacle and the reactions here and elsewhere really has shone a light for me on what is really behind Brexit for many.

Have you finally completely lost the plot ?

[MC Bodge]

ATG said:

It isn't just the old. The wide spread hysteria after the death of the Princess of Wales was shocking. Obviously the event itself was dreadfully sad, just as is any avoidable death that bereaves children, but the collective hysteria was self-indulgent, prurient, fantastical idiocy on a scale I had never imagined possible. The total lack of self-reflection of the participants was unnerving. Otherwise normal people behaving like lunatics and feeling confident in their behaviour because they surrounded themselves with fellow lunatics and were egged on by the gutter press whose own spectacular cynicism was largely responsible for the death in the first place.

That was quite mad. I remember feeling a bit surprised/uncomfortable at the outpouring of emotion at the time.