Harry and Meghan
Discussion
From the brief clips I saw this morning on GMB, in between Morgan ranting at a woman rights activist who wouldn’t stop ranting herself, I’m surprised the Duchess of Netflix wasn’t sitting on Oprah’s lap such was the mutual love in. I thought Winfrey was supposed to interview and not accept everything on face value.
Evanivitch said:
Blib said:
Meghan's wittering, meh.
But, for ANY son to allow his own family to be publicly attacked on a major TV show for a few quid is despicable.
He's doing so to pay for his own family, as his income has somewhat changed...But, for ANY son to allow his own family to be publicly attacked on a major TV show for a few quid is despicable.
It's also a result of the Queen hanging on until her death. Most of her family have gone through life with little official purpose. Some of them end up doing good charity work. Some (being human) get bored, end up doing questionable things like jet setting it with dodgy businessmen, drinking or smoking themselves into oblivion etc.
Couple this with an environment where everyone says yes to them constantly, some ancient ideas about class and race, and a need to try and please everyone. This is the resulting car crash.
Edited by AngryYorkshireman on Monday 8th March 08:22
loafer123 said:
It may be that Meghan has misunderstood the questions about the baby...everyone may have been worried it would come out ginger...
A joke I know. But would the same people be offended if the question had been "will it be ginger do you think"?The headline appears to be: Old person asks insensitive question out of curiosity and interest in soon to be new family member.
Well I'm shocked.
2nd headline: American in certain they have been slighted by british aristocracy, while really being treated like anybody else, they just didn't know the etiquette.
Again. Stunned. How could nobody have forseen these things...
AngryYorkshireman said:
Unfortunately this is what happens when the great British Public decide they don't want to pay for as many of the royal family as in previous centuries. The ones outside the cushy handouts have to earn their own living. Invariably this means not getting a job down the local Asda, or training as an electrician, but, selling "news" to the worlds media.
It's also a result of the Queen hanging on until her death. Most of her family have gone through life with little purpose, so getting bored, they end up doing questionable things like jet setting it with dodgy businessmen, drinking or smoking themselves into oblivion or talking to trees.
I agree. However it's also of note that Harry and his family remain targets of interest to many dangerous organisations, his service in Afghanistan unlikely to have helped that. So security will always be a concern, and will always come with a price. Combined with his media profile, which he would never be able to completely shake, there would never be the possibility of keeping a low, almost anonymous profile.It's also a result of the Queen hanging on until her death. Most of her family have gone through life with little purpose, so getting bored, they end up doing questionable things like jet setting it with dodgy businessmen, drinking or smoking themselves into oblivion or talking to trees.
Daddy wouldn't take my calls and he got cut off financially, how tone deaf are they I mean seriously, cut off? You're a grown man with millions in the bank and you walked away, so walk away and get on with it and stop whinging about things that people have to deal with all the time without the privilege afforded to you.
Love the bit about Meghan not reading up on the Royal family she must have just thought it was a sweetie shop full of palaces and diamonds...and it's not fair my sister in law made me cry....please.
Love the bit about Meghan not reading up on the Royal family she must have just thought it was a sweetie shop full of palaces and diamonds...and it's not fair my sister in law made me cry....please.
vonuber said:
Why am I not surprised by most of the responses on here.
The amount of servile forelock tugging to the same family that protects Prince Andrew, Jesus.
Usually people on PistonHeads don't seem to have much time for the Royals.The amount of servile forelock tugging to the same family that protects Prince Andrew, Jesus.
For some reason they've found their voice on this one.
Both appear to have been nothing but kind about the Queen which doesn't surprise me.
I actually think the top of the Royal Family do a very good job on the whole but have more reservations about the "hangers-on" and the whole "royal sources said" palace machine.
Credit to the chap a couple of pages back who was decent enough to admit that most of his views were formed by the media headlines and even linked to an article contrasting the coverage between "lovely" Kate and "ruthless social climber" Meghan.
Evanivitch said:
AngryYorkshireman said:
Unfortunately this is what happens when the great British Public decide they don't want to pay for as many of the royal family as in previous centuries. The ones outside the cushy handouts have to earn their own living. Invariably this means not getting a job down the local Asda, or training as an electrician, but, selling "news" to the worlds media.
It's also a result of the Queen hanging on until her death. Most of her family have gone through life with little purpose, so getting bored, they end up doing questionable things like jet setting it with dodgy businessmen, drinking or smoking themselves into oblivion or talking to trees.
I agree. However it's also of note that Harry and his family remain targets of interest to many dangerous organisations, his service in Afghanistan unlikely to have helped that. So security will always be a concern, and will always come with a price. Combined with his media profile, which he would never be able to completely shake, there would never be the possibility of keeping a low, almost anonymous profile.It's also a result of the Queen hanging on until her death. Most of her family have gone through life with little purpose, so getting bored, they end up doing questionable things like jet setting it with dodgy businessmen, drinking or smoking themselves into oblivion or talking to trees.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:vonuber said:
Why am I not surprised by most of the responses on here.
The amount of servile forelock tugging to the same family that protects Prince Andrew, Jesus.
Usually people on PistonHeads don't seem to have much time for the Royals.The amount of servile forelock tugging to the same family that protects Prince Andrew, Jesus.
For some reason they've found their voice on this one.
Both appear to have been nothing but kind about the Queen which doesn't surprise me.
I actually think the top of the Royal Family do a very good job on the whole but have more reservations about the "hangers-on" and the whole "royal sources said" palace machine.
Credit to the chap a couple of pages back who was decent enough to admit that most of his views were formed by the media headlines and even linked to an article contrasting the coverage between "lovely" Kate and "ruthless social climber" Meghan.
But isn’t it perhaps a bit like the MD of a company not knowing what those underneath might be doing though? It’s their job to know and make sure it doesn’t go on.
Perhaps I’m just a cynic as she does always come across as lovely, but she absolutely in charge and what she says go’s presumably.
vonuber said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Usually people on PistonHeads don't seem to have much time for the Royals.
For some reason they've found their voice on this one.
Quite, and some of the posters doing so are no surprise.For some reason they've found their voice on this one.
Well, the interview has been broadcast, though not in the UK as yet.
They will have a baby girl in the summer, and that will be their last child.
A member of the Royal family, whose name they will not reveal, for the time being anyway, made racist comments about Archie. The Royals do not want a Prince 'of color'.
The British press subjected Meghan to a barrage of racist abuse, and the Royals did nothing about it.
Meghan had to surrender her passport, driving licence and house keys and was kept as an effective prisoner.
Meghan considered suicide.
The Royal Wedding was just done for show, the AoC married them at home three days earlier.
Harry thinks Charles and William are trapped.
The Queen is a "warm and inviting person".
End of quotation.
This strikes me as a very Meghan led perspective, and I can't see that this is going to create any great degree of sympathy for H&M. Harry increasingly comes across as dim and easily led. Nor do I see what they hope to achieve, other than whatever fee they are paid by Oprah Winfrey. I can't see this leading to a "modernisation" of the Royal family given that the alternative to being 'trapped' is to demolish the entire institution and just be celebs. It seems clear that H&M want to retain their royal status and titles, and if these are removed, it is going to be blamed on racism.
I would guess, taking the most charitable view, that Meghan never really understood the difference between being a Royal and being a celeb, which kind of makes this whole fracas essentially similar to every other Royal fracas. It is about parvenus who want the privileges without the responsibility. This then leads you to ask, do we need a public service institution, or are we happy to have a bunch of high end freeloaders living the rock star lifestyle, and if the latter, to what extent should this be publicly supported or funded. Some might see the latter as modernisation, others as the effective end of the monarchy.
The current Royal Family is an institution essentially conceived and implemented by Prince Albert in the mid-19th century, and maintained by a number of specific individuals since - particularly QE II, who has been exceptional by any standards. How long does it continue if it is basically the Kardashians, especially with people like Andrew on the team.
They will have a baby girl in the summer, and that will be their last child.
A member of the Royal family, whose name they will not reveal, for the time being anyway, made racist comments about Archie. The Royals do not want a Prince 'of color'.
The British press subjected Meghan to a barrage of racist abuse, and the Royals did nothing about it.
Meghan had to surrender her passport, driving licence and house keys and was kept as an effective prisoner.
Meghan considered suicide.
The Royal Wedding was just done for show, the AoC married them at home three days earlier.
Harry thinks Charles and William are trapped.
The Queen is a "warm and inviting person".
End of quotation.
This strikes me as a very Meghan led perspective, and I can't see that this is going to create any great degree of sympathy for H&M. Harry increasingly comes across as dim and easily led. Nor do I see what they hope to achieve, other than whatever fee they are paid by Oprah Winfrey. I can't see this leading to a "modernisation" of the Royal family given that the alternative to being 'trapped' is to demolish the entire institution and just be celebs. It seems clear that H&M want to retain their royal status and titles, and if these are removed, it is going to be blamed on racism.
I would guess, taking the most charitable view, that Meghan never really understood the difference between being a Royal and being a celeb, which kind of makes this whole fracas essentially similar to every other Royal fracas. It is about parvenus who want the privileges without the responsibility. This then leads you to ask, do we need a public service institution, or are we happy to have a bunch of high end freeloaders living the rock star lifestyle, and if the latter, to what extent should this be publicly supported or funded. Some might see the latter as modernisation, others as the effective end of the monarchy.
The current Royal Family is an institution essentially conceived and implemented by Prince Albert in the mid-19th century, and maintained by a number of specific individuals since - particularly QE II, who has been exceptional by any standards. How long does it continue if it is basically the Kardashians, especially with people like Andrew on the team.
p1stonhead said:
It doesn’t surprise me that they say this.
But isn’t it perhaps a bit like the MD of a company not knowing what those underneath might be doing though? It’s their job to know and make sure it doesn’t go on.
Perhaps I’m just a cynic as she does always come across as lovely, but she absolutely in charge and what she says go’s presumably.
I think it will be interesting to see if there's a reaction or statement from the Palace.But isn’t it perhaps a bit like the MD of a company not knowing what those underneath might be doing though? It’s their job to know and make sure it doesn’t go on.
Perhaps I’m just a cynic as she does always come across as lovely, but she absolutely in charge and what she says go’s presumably.
I'm not sure what the boundary is between the family and "business" side of the monarchy so I just don't know to what extent the Queen can or does directly get involved in this sort of thing.
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