Electric Scooters
Discussion
Seeing the tiny size of most e-scooter wheels, best of luck to anyone who tries to ride them on the s
tty Glasgow roads, I have to weave around on 28" wheels to avoid cracks and potholes that could do me damage.
And I'm not convinced by the 'replacing vehicle journeys' argument, isn't it more likely to be pedestrians wanting to get somewhere a bit quicker, or avoiding having to use public transport? Are people really doing 3-5 miles or more on these things?
tty Glasgow roads, I have to weave around on 28" wheels to avoid cracks and potholes that could do me damage.And I'm not convinced by the 'replacing vehicle journeys' argument, isn't it more likely to be pedestrians wanting to get somewhere a bit quicker, or avoiding having to use public transport? Are people really doing 3-5 miles or more on these things?
Edited by ScotHill on Saturday 3rd August 19:23
There aren’t any bad scooters. Just bad riders.
It’s the way that people behave on them that needs addressing more than anything else.
The original law they catch you with was introduced to stop vehicles from startling horses on the streets.
I think we can move on from that angle now.
It would be good to see the industry accepted into society - segways would do quite well over here and it would mean I could get an Airwheel.
It’s the way that people behave on them that needs addressing more than anything else.
The original law they catch you with was introduced to stop vehicles from startling horses on the streets.
I think we can move on from that angle now.
It would be good to see the industry accepted into society - segways would do quite well over here and it would mean I could get an Airwheel.
The sooner the better, with the right laws etc.
I used to spend hours in the car commuting round E, NE and central London. Then one night I got a bit drunk, ordered an e-bike kit for a MTB I had. Built it in about 3 days, took a bit longer to perfect, but it does 50 miles on a charge, which uses 1KWh, so roughly 14 pence, and I mostly charge it at work.
I forget the last time I sat in traffic, or had road rage, I ride loads of different routes, often along the canal towpath. A car trip that would've taken me about 1h30 now takes about 45 minutes. My company car is lucky if it's done a thousand miles this year. This works for me because I work at the same location for weeks / months on end, and my furthest commute is about 15 miles each way. It's by no means viable for absolutely everyone, but there are many that could take to ebikes or scooters or mopeds, and I reckon it's the way forward.
I used to spend hours in the car commuting round E, NE and central London. Then one night I got a bit drunk, ordered an e-bike kit for a MTB I had. Built it in about 3 days, took a bit longer to perfect, but it does 50 miles on a charge, which uses 1KWh, so roughly 14 pence, and I mostly charge it at work.
I forget the last time I sat in traffic, or had road rage, I ride loads of different routes, often along the canal towpath. A car trip that would've taken me about 1h30 now takes about 45 minutes. My company car is lucky if it's done a thousand miles this year. This works for me because I work at the same location for weeks / months on end, and my furthest commute is about 15 miles each way. It's by no means viable for absolutely everyone, but there are many that could take to ebikes or scooters or mopeds, and I reckon it's the way forward.
They are becoming ubiquitous in Spain. 5 or so Km commute, fold up the scooter and dump it under your desk or similar. Easier than public transport, cheaper and easier parked than a car.
Greener than both.
Us brits just have some strange desire to over control every aspect of personal mobility.
Greener than both.
Us brits just have some strange desire to over control every aspect of personal mobility.
I got a kit off Amazon brilliant thing.
I can't use it for work need my van for that but nipping to the shop, pub if I'm only having a couple, to see friends and family, take away place's and so on. I just jump on the bike and away I go instead of the car.
Sadly as it stands though with the law as it is it's officially illegal. Because it's got twist and go and the motor is over 250 watts. But as long as I'm sensible not being a idiot riding it a 30mph down footpaths and so on. Hopefully I will just stay under the radar.
I can't use it for work need my van for that but nipping to the shop, pub if I'm only having a couple, to see friends and family, take away place's and so on. I just jump on the bike and away I go instead of the car.
Sadly as it stands though with the law as it is it's officially illegal. Because it's got twist and go and the motor is over 250 watts. But as long as I'm sensible not being a idiot riding it a 30mph down footpaths and so on. Hopefully I will just stay under the radar.
Big pressure from the startup's that flood the city with them to get them legal.
I think they are dangerous as the public are just too incompetent to not have accidents and hurt others. How the hell do
these companies get away with it? I guess the terms and conditions when you install the app absolve them or responsibility.
2 deaths already the last couple of weeks.
Im ok with it if people take a test and wear crash hats and the thing has a max speed of 3mph.
Greed will probably push it through till someone kills a ministers geriatric mother then they will all be crushed.
I think they are dangerous as the public are just too incompetent to not have accidents and hurt others. How the hell do
these companies get away with it? I guess the terms and conditions when you install the app absolve them or responsibility.
2 deaths already the last couple of weeks.
Im ok with it if people take a test and wear crash hats and the thing has a max speed of 3mph.
Greed will probably push it through till someone kills a ministers geriatric mother then they will all be crushed.
Fundoreen said:
Big pressure from the startup's that flood the city with them to get them legal.
I think they are dangerous as the public are just too incompetent to not have accidents and hurt others. How the hell do
these companies get away with it? I guess the terms and conditions when you install the app absolve them or responsibility.
2 deaths already the last couple of weeks.
Im ok with it if people take a test and wear crash hats and the thing has a max speed of 3mph.
Greed will probably push it through till someone kills a ministers geriatric mother then they will all be crushed.
Maybe someone in front of them with a red flag and a whistle? I think they are dangerous as the public are just too incompetent to not have accidents and hurt others. How the hell do
these companies get away with it? I guess the terms and conditions when you install the app absolve them or responsibility.
2 deaths already the last couple of weeks.
Im ok with it if people take a test and wear crash hats and the thing has a max speed of 3mph.
Greed will probably push it through till someone kills a ministers geriatric mother then they will all be crushed.
Not-The-Messiah said:
Fundoreen said:
Big pressure from the startup's that flood the city with them to get them legal.
I think they are dangerous as the public are just too incompetent to not have accidents and hurt others. How the hell do
these companies get away with it? I guess the terms and conditions when you install the app absolve them or responsibility.
2 deaths already the last couple of weeks.
Im ok with it if people take a test and wear crash hats and the thing has a max speed of 3mph.
Greed will probably push it through till someone kills a ministers geriatric mother then they will all be crushed.
Maybe someone in front of them with a red flag and a whistle? I think they are dangerous as the public are just too incompetent to not have accidents and hurt others. How the hell do
these companies get away with it? I guess the terms and conditions when you install the app absolve them or responsibility.
2 deaths already the last couple of weeks.
Im ok with it if people take a test and wear crash hats and the thing has a max speed of 3mph.
Greed will probably push it through till someone kills a ministers geriatric mother then they will all be crushed.
loafer123 said:
No, it’s a terrible idea.
I had a fantastic break in Lisbon recently, but the city is overrun with them both on the roads and abandoned on the pavements.
Why is this different from horses, bikes etc. I see no problem with them if you consider the other modes I've just mentionedI had a fantastic break in Lisbon recently, but the city is overrun with them both on the roads and abandoned on the pavements.
I'm all for it if they can go down B roads on a Sunday morning en masse and cause cyclists to get frustrated by their slow antics ....
Cyclist :- " Get off the road, you don't pay road tax"
Electical scooterists :- " Neither do you, are you insured?"
Cyclist :- " See this clod of earth on the road? That's your mother that is"
Electical scooterists :- "I'll respond to that old joke from a popular BBC series once I've charged my battery up by rubbing a glass rod with a cloth"
That sort of thing would brighten up my day as I drive my mx5 just to get the rust off the disc brakes so it looks like I actually use it all the time.
Cyclist :- " Get off the road, you don't pay road tax"
Electical scooterists :- " Neither do you, are you insured?"
Cyclist :- " See this clod of earth on the road? That's your mother that is"
Electical scooterists :- "I'll respond to that old joke from a popular BBC series once I've charged my battery up by rubbing a glass rod with a cloth"
That sort of thing would brighten up my day as I drive my mx5 just to get the rust off the disc brakes so it looks like I actually use it all the time.
Edited by Gandahar on Saturday 3rd August 22:44
loafer123 said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
Fundoreen said:
Big pressure from the startup's that flood the city with them to get them legal.
I think they are dangerous as the public are just too incompetent to not have accidents and hurt others. How the hell do
these companies get away with it? I guess the terms and conditions when you install the app absolve them or responsibility.
2 deaths already the last couple of weeks.
Im ok with it if people take a test and wear crash hats and the thing has a max speed of 3mph.
Greed will probably push it through till someone kills a ministers geriatric mother then they will all be crushed.
Maybe someone in front of them with a red flag and a whistle? I think they are dangerous as the public are just too incompetent to not have accidents and hurt others. How the hell do
these companies get away with it? I guess the terms and conditions when you install the app absolve them or responsibility.
2 deaths already the last couple of weeks.
Im ok with it if people take a test and wear crash hats and the thing has a max speed of 3mph.
Greed will probably push it through till someone kills a ministers geriatric mother then they will all be crushed.
ScotHill said:
Seeing the tiny size of most e-scooter wheels, best of luck to anyone who tries to ride them on the stty Glasgow roads, I have to weave around on 28" wheels to avoid cracks and potholes that could do me damage.
And I'm not convinced by the 'replacing vehicle journeys' argument, isn't it more likely to be pedestrians wanting to get somewhere a bit quicker, or avoiding having to use public transport? Are people really doing 3-5 miles or more on these things?
Who needs wheels?tty Glasgow roads, I have to weave around on 28" wheels to avoid cracks and potholes that could do me damage.And I'm not convinced by the 'replacing vehicle journeys' argument, isn't it more likely to be pedestrians wanting to get somewhere a bit quicker, or avoiding having to use public transport? Are people really doing 3-5 miles or more on these things?
Edited by ScotHill on Saturday 3rd August 19:23
Lord Marylebone said:
I think we need to press on with personal electric transport as quickly as possible, if we want to ease road congestion, reduce vehicle emissions, stop people using cars as much, and generally help people get around as quickly and as cheaply as possible.
Banning stuff like electric scooters is not helping.
Two wheeled electric transport is massively more efficient from a range/purchase cost/charge time perspective than four wheeled vehicles.
These 'mini scooters' are actually a really clever idea. They are relatively cheap, they fold up to nothing and can be carried in your hand, stowed under your desk, taken on the train/tube and so on. They also have a range of 20-30 miles which is more than enough for commuting around a city all week for most people.
Moving up the price range, there are a surprising amount of electric 'Mopeds' or full size motorcycles available now from only £1600 or so upwards, and with top speeds of 30mph (mopeds) and 150mph (Bikes) and ranges of 100miles upwards, these should really be something for more people to consider as well.
Personally, I would allow electric bicycles and electric scooters licence free, and I would also allow anyone who holds a car licence to ride a 30mph electric moped without any form of additional test such as the CBT.
I agree with all of this.Banning stuff like electric scooters is not helping.
Two wheeled electric transport is massively more efficient from a range/purchase cost/charge time perspective than four wheeled vehicles.
These 'mini scooters' are actually a really clever idea. They are relatively cheap, they fold up to nothing and can be carried in your hand, stowed under your desk, taken on the train/tube and so on. They also have a range of 20-30 miles which is more than enough for commuting around a city all week for most people.
Moving up the price range, there are a surprising amount of electric 'Mopeds' or full size motorcycles available now from only £1600 or so upwards, and with top speeds of 30mph (mopeds) and 150mph (Bikes) and ranges of 100miles upwards, these should really be something for more people to consider as well.
Personally, I would allow electric bicycles and electric scooters licence free, and I would also allow anyone who holds a car licence to ride a 30mph electric moped without any form of additional test such as the CBT.
I’d also like to move to a one car per household rule...
jakesmith said:
Captain Raymond Holt said:
I agree with all of this.
I’d also like to move to a one car per household rule...
You do know this is a motoring enthusiast forum?I’d also like to move to a one car per household rule...
Most journeys are <5miles or something like that, some people would prefer £300 on a sparky scooter rather than the expense of a car.
You can be a car enthusiast and still have common sense
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