Electric Scooters
Discussion
Evanivitch said:
Sway said:
Yeah, we're in accord!
One thing is for certain - if they are legalised for use in public places, the Standard will come before the implementation.
Exactly! So when people have said the law is slow, it may be, but industry is even slower.One thing is for certain - if they are legalised for use in public places, the Standard will come before the implementation.
The reason "industry will be slower" is because they'll be legally required to wait until the Standard is issued, before they can manufacture to it and ship compliant products. It's a critical path.
The "CEO" of some scooter company was on breakfast telly yesterday, saying how they are safer than bikes as they have ABS front brakes...….!! ( along with 3 inch slick tyres). The guy made himself look a bit of a clown, tbh.
I know the electric nature makes them faster and easier, but why don't more people just use normal scooters? MY daughter has one, bigish wheels, fold up, but large size for teens, and aduts can ride them easy. It bombs along, with minimal human input, you can easily do 10 mph plus, plenty for interacting with peds and other bikes etc.
I know the electric nature makes them faster and easier, but why don't more people just use normal scooters? MY daughter has one, bigish wheels, fold up, but large size for teens, and aduts can ride them easy. It bombs along, with minimal human input, you can easily do 10 mph plus, plenty for interacting with peds and other bikes etc.
Aldi had these for sale towards the end of last year. They are still available online if anyone wants to beat the rush for when/if they're legalised. 14mph top speed so should be ok if they follow ebike speed restrictions 
https://www.aldi.co.uk/crane-e-scooter/p/021927311...
https://www.aldi.co.uk/crane-e-scooter/p/021927311...
poo at Paul's said:
The "CEO" of some scooter company was on breakfast telly yesterday, saying how they are safer than bikes as they have ABS front brakes...….!! ( along with 3 inch slick tyres). The guy made himself look a bit of a clown, tbh.
I know the electric nature makes them faster and easier, but why don't more people just use normal scooters? MY daughter has one, bigish wheels, fold up, but large size for teens, and aduts can ride them easy. It bombs along, with minimal human input, you can easily do 10 mph plus, plenty for interacting with peds and other bikes etc.
I had one 6 years ago, used it every day to commute from Waterloo to Piccadilly - perfect and took no longer than the tube, saved me £600 a year on my travel card, then when our office moved to Goodge St used it for that too, 4 miles a day, great fun and good exercise. Even then I saw 2-3 other people a day on one and now you see a lot more. Couldn’t care less how I look to other people, if they don’t like it they can give me the £600 a year I am saving!I know the electric nature makes them faster and easier, but why don't more people just use normal scooters? MY daughter has one, bigish wheels, fold up, but large size for teens, and aduts can ride them easy. It bombs along, with minimal human input, you can easily do 10 mph plus, plenty for interacting with peds and other bikes etc.
Both my kids (21 and 23) have eScooters, and use them extensively in London - safely and responsibly (I hope).
They do claim that they feel safer (and they also cycle) because they have greater manoeuvrability and it is easier to dismount to avoid any awkward situations.
I see eScooters, alongside walking, cycling, and eBikes, as an important part of the solution to the problems that are blighting our urban areas - the poor air quality, congestion, noise and costs that our current traffic generates.
I've been a dedicated car driver for 30 years, but even I can see that the regulations need to favour and encourage cleaner, easier and less damaging forms of mobility in our towns and cities.
They do claim that they feel safer (and they also cycle) because they have greater manoeuvrability and it is easier to dismount to avoid any awkward situations.
I see eScooters, alongside walking, cycling, and eBikes, as an important part of the solution to the problems that are blighting our urban areas - the poor air quality, congestion, noise and costs that our current traffic generates.
I've been a dedicated car driver for 30 years, but even I can see that the regulations need to favour and encourage cleaner, easier and less damaging forms of mobility in our towns and cities.
poo at Paul's said:
The "CEO" of some scooter company was on breakfast telly yesterday, saying how they are safer than bikes as they have ABS front brakes...….!! ( along with 3 inch slick tyres).
Yeah, the contact patch of the tyre is so small relative to the combined weight of rider and scooter that it renders tread irrelevant, I would imagine.Geneve said:
Both my kids (21 and 23) have eScooters, and use them extensively in London - safely and responsibly (I hope).
They do claim that they feel safer (and they also cycle) because they have greater manoeuvrability and it is easier to dismount to avoid any awkward situations.
I see eScooters, alongside walking, cycling, and eBikes, as an important part of the solution to the problems that are blighting our urban areas - the poor air quality, congestion, noise and costs that our current traffic generates.
I've been a dedicated car driver for 30 years, but even I can see that the regulations need to favour and encourage cleaner, easier and less damaging forms of mobility in our towns and cities.
The fact it is an offence to ride one on the road tends to suggest they are, at best, irresponsible. Whether 'safely' applies is anyone's guess. They do claim that they feel safer (and they also cycle) because they have greater manoeuvrability and it is easier to dismount to avoid any awkward situations.
I see eScooters, alongside walking, cycling, and eBikes, as an important part of the solution to the problems that are blighting our urban areas - the poor air quality, congestion, noise and costs that our current traffic generates.
I've been a dedicated car driver for 30 years, but even I can see that the regulations need to favour and encourage cleaner, easier and less damaging forms of mobility in our towns and cities.
Whether it is an offence is a moot point, bit like driving at 75-80 mph on the motorway - strictly speaking you shouldn’t, but thousands do.
And, because eBikes and eScooters have a positive function, and are legal in most of the world, our laws really need to be clarified one way or the other.
And, because eBikes and eScooters have a positive function, and are legal in most of the world, our laws really need to be clarified one way or the other.
richie99 said:
The fact it is an offence to ride one on the road tends to suggest they are, at best, irresponsible. Whether 'safely' applies is anyone's guess.
Really? Anything illegal is also irresponsible? I would not agree with that at all, its simply a case of the law being a long way behind the times. Although if you look at the number of people stopped or prosecuted for using them, and the number of people actually using them, I suspect the police have better things to worry about.
Geneve said:
Whether it is an offence is a moot point, bit like driving at 75-80 mph on the motorway - strictly speaking you shouldn’t, but thousands do.
And, because eBikes and eScooters have a positive function, and are legal in most of the world, our laws really need to be clarified one way or the other.
No. It's an offence. Just because you might think it is fine to break the laws you don't agree with or have little chance of being prosecuted and convicted for, doesn't mean you can claim to be responsible in doing so. There is pretty much zero chance of being convicted of burglary for instance, or possession of many illegal drugs, or carrying a combat knife, and on and on. People are encouraged do it as a result but they can't also claim to be responsible. And, because eBikes and eScooters have a positive function, and are legal in most of the world, our laws really need to be clarified one way or the other.
Condi said:
Really? Anything illegal is also irresponsible? I would not agree with that at all, its simply a case of the law being a long way behind the times.
Although if you look at the number of people stopped or prosecuted for using them, and the number of people actually using them, I suspect the police have better things to worry about.
I would say that breaking the law makes you irresponsible. You can pick and chose which laws you want to obey as long as you are happy that others do the same. You just might not like their choices. Although if you look at the number of people stopped or prosecuted for using them, and the number of people actually using them, I suspect the police have better things to worry about.
richie99 said:
Geneve said:
Whether it is an offence is a moot point, bit like driving at 75-80 mph on the motorway - strictly speaking you shouldn’t, but thousands do.
And, because eBikes and eScooters have a positive function, and are legal in most of the world, our laws really need to be clarified one way or the other.
No. It's an offence. Just because you might think it is fine to break the laws you don't agree with or have little chance of being prosecuted and convicted for, doesn't mean you can claim to be responsible in doing so. There is pretty much zero chance of being convicted of burglary for instance, or possession of many illegal drugs, or carrying a combat knife, and on and on. People are encouraged do it as a result but they can't also claim to be responsible. And, because eBikes and eScooters have a positive function, and are legal in most of the world, our laws really need to be clarified one way or the other.
richie99 said:
No. It's an offence. Just because you might think it is fine to break the laws you don't agree with or have little chance of being prosecuted and convicted for, doesn't mean you can claim to be responsible in doing so. There is pretty much zero chance of being convicted of burglary for instance, or possession of many illegal drugs, or carrying a combat knife, and on and on. People are encouraged do it as a result but they can't also claim to be responsible.
Comparing using an electric scooter to carrying a combat knife or robbing your grandma is a little extreme, don't you think? There are many things whereby the law isn't necessarily correct, it doesn't mean to disagree with the law is irresponsible.
If I understand it correctly, in the U.K., you can ride a pedal cycle on the road and you can ride an electric bike (up to 15mph) on the road.
You can ride a foot-scooter on the road - but, you can’t officially ride an electric scooter on the road?
Seems weird, as I see them everywhere, especially in European cities.
Presumably, this is because U.K. legislation hasn’t yet caught up with their growing popularity and eco-credentials?
You can ride a foot-scooter on the road - but, you can’t officially ride an electric scooter on the road?
Seems weird, as I see them everywhere, especially in European cities.
Presumably, this is because U.K. legislation hasn’t yet caught up with their growing popularity and eco-credentials?
richie99 said:
Condi said:
Really? Anything illegal is also irresponsible? I would not agree with that at all, its simply a case of the law being a long way behind the times.
Although if you look at the number of people stopped or prosecuted for using them, and the number of people actually using them, I suspect the police have better things to worry about.
I would say that breaking the law makes you irresponsible. You can pick and chose which laws you want to obey as long as you are happy that others do the same. You just might not like their choices. Although if you look at the number of people stopped or prosecuted for using them, and the number of people actually using them, I suspect the police have better things to worry about.
Koln-RS said:
If I understand it correctly, in the U.K., you can ride a pedal cycle on the road and you can ride an electric bike (up to 15mph) on the road.
You can ride a foot-scooter on the road - but, you can’t officially ride an electric scooter on the road?
Seems weird, as I see them everywhere, especially in European cities.
Presumably, this is because U.K. legislation hasn’t yet caught up with their growing popularity and eco-credentials?
11 pages of thread we've waited for this incredible insight.You can ride a foot-scooter on the road - but, you can’t officially ride an electric scooter on the road?
Seems weird, as I see them everywhere, especially in European cities.
Presumably, this is because U.K. legislation hasn’t yet caught up with their growing popularity and eco-credentials?
richie99 said:
I would say that breaking the law makes you irresponsible. You can pick and chose which laws you want to obey as long as you are happy that others do the same. You just might not like their choices.
Like medical marijuana now being legally available (in some countries) due to the ongoing use of it when it was illegal by those who desperately needed it?How was that irresponsible? How was it not irresponsible of those governments who criminalised patients who relied on it?
Similarly, women driving in the middle east - now legally entitled to do so, due to brave women standing up to their government despite the risks.
Edited by ReverendCounter on Saturday 1st February 16:32
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