Electric Scooters

[Countdown]

jakesmith said:

98elise said:

I assume your position is based on the fact that you can cope with one car? We have 4 adults in our household and certainly couldn't.
.

Spot on, dim witted argument from someone too unimaginative to see beyond the circumstances of their own life.

People always adapt. Everybody thinks THEY can’t do without XYZ but they do, when “needs must”. We’re a 3 car family, with my youngest suggesting she absolutely MUST have one when she passes her test. The reality is she doesn’t. She has siblings parents mates who could and do give her lifts whenever she needs them. We have a good bus service etc . The reason we’ve got 3 cars is because it’s nice to have your own car and we can afford them. That’s it.

[Countdown]

@JakeSmith

If you were banned from driving for 12 months would that mean you lost your job? If not, how would you cope?

[hyphen]

Captain Raymond Holt said:

The point stands that the road network can’t support more and more cars and lets be honest there’s only so many roads you can add an extra lane to.

Depends if they are being driven at the same time!

Currently, outside morning/evening rush hour it's not too bad at all.

[NoNeed]

Evanivitch said:

Legalisation and standardisation are key. They need to ensure they are:

- Limited to top speed the same as ebikes (14.5mph)
- Fitted with appropriate lights and pedestrian warning (I know every cyclist removes the bell)
- And have suitable braking systems

But the same can be said of everything from electric unicycles, electric roller skates or anything.

I have been looking at Ebikes for getting to work, didn't realise they were restricted and how did they arrive at 14.5mph?

[Captain Raymond Holt]

Countdown said:

jakesmith said:

98elise said:

I assume your position is based on the fact that you can cope with one car? We have 4 adults in our household and certainly couldn't.
.

Spot on, dim witted argument from someone too unimaginative to see beyond the circumstances of their own life.

People always adapt. Everybody thinks THEY can’t do without XYZ but they do, when “needs must”. We’re a 3 car family, with my youngest suggesting she absolutely MUST have one when she passes her test. The reality is she doesn’t. She has siblings parents mates who could and do give her lifts whenever she needs them. We have a good bus service etc . The reason we’ve got 3 cars is because it’s nice to have your own car and we can afford them. That’s it.

I agree, and that’s the same for quite a few people. Convenience.

[Hoofy]

NoNeed said:

Evanivitch said:

Legalisation and standardisation are key. They need to ensure they are:

- Limited to top speed the same as ebikes (14.5mph)
- Fitted with appropriate lights and pedestrian warning (I know every cyclist removes the bell)
- And have suitable braking systems

But the same can be said of everything from electric unicycles, electric roller skates or anything.

I have been looking at Ebikes for getting to work, didn't realise they were restricted and how did they arrive at 14.5mph?

Sometimes you have to translate to kph to understand the odd numbers. In this case it's 23.33549 kph.

HTH

[NoNeed]

Hoofy said:

NoNeed said:

Evanivitch said:

Legalisation and standardisation are key. They need to ensure they are:

- Limited to top speed the same as ebikes (14.5mph)
- Fitted with appropriate lights and pedestrian warning (I know every cyclist removes the bell)
- And have suitable braking systems

But the same can be said of everything from electric unicycles, electric roller skates or anything.

I have been looking at Ebikes for getting to work, didn't realise they were restricted and how did they arrive at 14.5mph?

Sometimes you have to translate to kph to understand the odd numbers. In this case it's 23.33549 kph.

HTH

I tried that lol, that's why I asked

[Yertis]

Captain Raymond Holt said:

I’d also like to move to a one car per household rule...

Captain Raymond Holt said:

Yertis said:

Are you aware that even the keenest car enthusiast is only capable of driving one car at a time? Your argument holds zero logic.

I don't think I said one car per enthusiast... or even person...

Your argument isn’t actually relevant to what I said.

It’s entirely relevant, unless you’re suggesting it’s OK to own multiple cars, so long as you’re not part of a household. Which wouldn’t surprise me.

[shouldbworking]

I own one, it's very useful for around town trips. Put it in the boot of the car last week, drop it in to the garage, scooter to work and home.. Scooter to pick it up later.

As I was going along a cycle lane a car pulled alongside them swerved at me with the driver apoplectic with rage "those are illegal you know"..

Aside from the lunatic driver above, e scooters are a non event and the law needs to catch up to it. In the meantime the front line officers will continue to do what they do now, ignore something that is technically illegal unless you happen to be acting like a massive tt.

On the you look like an idiot angle, yes I do, however, I don't care

[Captain Raymond Holt]

NoNeed said:

Hoofy said:

NoNeed said:

Evanivitch said:

Legalisation and standardisation are key. They need to ensure they are:

- Limited to top speed the same as ebikes (14.5mph)
- Fitted with appropriate lights and pedestrian warning (I know every cyclist removes the bell)
- And have suitable braking systems

But the same can be said of everything from electric unicycles, electric roller skates or anything.

I have been looking at Ebikes for getting to work, didn't realise they were restricted and how did they arrive at 14.5mph?

Sometimes you have to translate to kph to understand the odd numbers. In this case it's 23.33549 kph.

HTH

I tried that lol, that's why I asked

When we say ebikes are we chatting pushbikes with a assistance motor?

I don’t think it’s a limit as such, just that the motor cannot provide assistance over a set speed, apparently 15.5mph

‘Its electric motor:

must have a maximum power output of 250 watts
should not be able to propel the bike when it’s travelling more than 15.5mph’

Taken from the Gov site

ETA: that’s not inc Northern Ireland, they seem to treat them the same as a moped over there!

Edited by Captain Raymond Holt on Sunday 4th August 13:47

[anonymous-user]

Captain Raymond Holt said:

ETA: that’s not inc Northern Ireland, they seem to treat them the same as a moped over there!

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 4th August 13:47

Are there any muggers using them yet ?

[jakesmith]

Countdown said:

@JakeSmith

If you were banned from driving for 12 months would that mean you lost your job? If not, how would you cope?

This is inconceivable as those sorts of bans are handed out for reckless behaviour which I avoid like the plague as I rely on my car
The premise of the question is false as obviously I could exist without my car, after all we could sell our house, release the equity, downsize, move to a town, and then I could get a walkable job in a shop. Why the fk should I though?

[Captain Raymond Holt]

techiedave said:

Captain Raymond Holt said:

ETA: that’s not inc Northern Ireland, they seem to treat them the same as a moped over there!

Edited by Captain Raymond Holt on Sunday 4th August 13:47

Are there any muggers using them yet ?

Give it time my son, give it time

[the tribester]

NoNeed said:

Evanivitch said:

Legalisation and standardisation are key. They need to ensure they are:

- Limited to top speed the same as ebikes (14.5mph)
- Fitted with appropriate lights and pedestrian warning (I know every cyclist removes the bell)
- And have suitable braking systems

But the same can be said of everything from electric unicycles, electric roller skates or anything.

I have been looking at Ebikes for getting to work, didn't realise they were restricted and how did they arrive at 14.5mph?

It's only the motor assist that's restricted to a max of 14.5mph, you can go faster under your own propulsion if you like.

[PF62]

shouldbworking said:

e scooters are a non event

If used sensibly, then yes.

However almost every one you see is being ridden on the pavement by a complete moron at inappropriate speeds expecting people to move out of their way (it is fking hilarious when you don't though).

[frisbee]

PF62 said:

shouldbworking said:

e scooters are a non event

If used sensibly, then yes.

However almost every one you see is being ridden on the pavement by a complete moron at inappropriate speeds expecting people to move out of their way (it is fking hilarious when you don't though).

Yep, get them off the pavement:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/charing-cros...

[NoNeed]

Captain Raymond Holt said:

NoNeed said:

Hoofy said:

NoNeed said:

Evanivitch said:

Legalisation and standardisation are key. They need to ensure they are:

- Limited to top speed the same as ebikes (14.5mph)
- Fitted with appropriate lights and pedestrian warning (I know every cyclist removes the bell)
- And have suitable braking systems

But the same can be said of everything from electric unicycles, electric roller skates or anything.

I have been looking at Ebikes for getting to work, didn't realise they were restricted and how did they arrive at 14.5mph?

Sometimes you have to translate to kph to understand the odd numbers. In this case it's 23.33549 kph.

HTH

I tried that lol, that's why I asked

When we say ebikes are we chatting pushbikes with a assistance motor?

I don’t think it’s a limit as such, just that the motor cannot provide assistance over a set speed, apparently 15.5mph

‘Its electric motor:

must have a maximum power output of 250 watts
should not be able to propel the bike when it’s travelling more than 15.5mph’

Taken from the Gov site

ETA: that’s not inc Northern Ireland, they seem to treat them the same as a moped over there!

Edited by Captain Raymond Holt on Sunday 4th August 13:47

thanks

[Hoofy]

frisbee said:

PF62 said:

shouldbworking said:

e scooters are a non event

If used sensibly, then yes.

However almost every one you see is being ridden on the pavement by a complete moron at inappropriate speeds expecting people to move out of their way (it is fking hilarious when you don't though).

Yep, get them off the pavement:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/charing-cros...

Your point? We should not be concerned with escooter safety until cars are driven 100% safely?

Just as relevant: https://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/ra...

[frisbee]

Hoofy said:

frisbee said:

PF62 said:

shouldbworking said:

e scooters are a non event

If used sensibly, then yes.

However almost every one you see is being ridden on the pavement by a complete moron at inappropriate speeds expecting people to move out of their way (it is fking hilarious when you don't though).

Yep, get them off the pavement:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/charing-cros...

Your point? We should not be concerned with escooter safety until cars are driven 100% safely?

Just as relevant: https://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/ra...

My point is you are far more likely to be killed or injured by a car while walking on the pavement.

HTH

[Zirconia]

Cant see the problem, fit lights, regular testing, bone dome compulsory and licence plate.