Epstein dead in cell

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Newc

1,865 posts

182 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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abzmike said:
All the evidence unsealed yesterday will be quietly boxed up, resealed and put away in a large dark document store never to be seen again.

grumbledoak

31,534 posts

233 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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Wikipedia article correct shocker:



Cantaloupe

1,056 posts

60 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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Caramba, the tinfoil hat conspiracists are on form tonite.

The guy could have had mental health issues and topped himself,
but no it's a Clinton/Obama/Lizard people funded rub out by elite agents of the Dark Side.

Wise up losers.

BrabusMog

20,155 posts

186 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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Cantaloupe said:
Caramba, the tinfoil hat conspiracists are on form tonite.

The guy could have had mental health issues and topped himself,
but no it's a Clinton/Obama/Lizard people funded rub out by elite agents of the Dark Side.

Wise up losers.
But but but but

laugh

PSB1

3,681 posts

104 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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Cantaloupe said:
Caramba, the tinfoil hat conspiracists are on form tonite.

The guy could have had mental health issues and topped himself,
but no it's a Clinton/Obama/Lizard people funded rub out by elite agents of the Dark Side.

Wise up losers.
I'm a fan of applying the 'Occam's Razor' test to things in general. In this instance, you really think suicide is the most likely cause here?

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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PSB1 said:
Cantaloupe said:
Caramba, the tinfoil hat conspiracists are on form tonite.

The guy could have had mental health issues and topped himself,
but no it's a Clinton/Obama/Lizard people funded rub out by elite agents of the Dark Side.

Wise up losers.
I'm a fan of applying the 'Occam's Razor' test to things in general. In this instance, you really think suicide is the most likely cause here?
Why not?

Plenty of people kill themselves in prison.

Do the mental gymnastics required to believe a conspiracy make one more likely than a simple suicide?





Gandahar

9,600 posts

128 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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Older men and younger women, wonder what the attraction is? Both ways

It's an age old thing and as always things go too far in all times including today. Morals, including ones from the Church never been enough to stop all those years of evolutionary programming.

Being not a monster I'll just watch this

https://www.instagram.com/p/B09HIn9J1VM/

and fap fap fap off without harming anyone.

It's got so many likes I can't be in the wrong ................

Vaud

50,503 posts

155 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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NBC reporting that he wasn't on suicide watch, but was in his cell alone.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jeffrey-epste...

PSB1

3,681 posts

104 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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La Liga said:
PSB1 said:
Cantaloupe said:
Caramba, the tinfoil hat conspiracists are on form tonite.

The guy could have had mental health issues and topped himself,
but no it's a Clinton/Obama/Lizard people funded rub out by elite agents of the Dark Side.

Wise up losers.
I'm a fan of applying the 'Occam's Razor' test to things in general. In this instance, you really think suicide is the most likely cause here?
Why not?

Plenty of people kill themselves in prison.

Do the mental gymnastics required to believe a conspiracy make one more likely than a simple suicide?
I typically think conspiracy theorires are nuts. My thoughts on some of the most famous events and what really happened:

9/11 - AQ hijackers.
Moon Landings - NASA astronauts landed on the moon.
Osama Bin Laden - killed by Navy Seals
The Great UK Depression (2020) - WTO Brexit.

But in this case - 'mental gymnastics' vs sniff test. It fails the sniff test. But I wasn't there, so I'll never know.



Edited by PSB1 on Saturday 10th August 18:43

Vaud

50,503 posts

155 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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I think the question that will emerge will be "why wasn't he on suicide watch?"

PSB1

3,681 posts

104 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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Slightly ironic:


vonuber

17,868 posts

165 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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Cantaloupe said:
Caramba, the tinfoil hat conspiracists are on form tonite.

The guy could have had mental health issues and topped himself,
but no it's a Clinton/Obama/Lizard people funded rub out by elite agents of the Dark Side.

Wise up losers.
Have you any idea what he's been up to and who is implicated?

I (and others) were predicting this from the moment he was arrested and they opened his safe and found all the cd's with lots of people's names on them - his insurance policy it seems.

£500 says we don't hear about them again.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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PSB1 said:
I typically think conspiracy theorires are nuts. My thoughts on some of the most famous events and what really happened:

9/11 - AQ hijackers.
Moon Landings - NASA astronauts landed on the moon.
Osama Bin Laden - killed by Navy Seals

But in this case - 'mental gymnastics' vs sniff test. It fails the sniff test. But I wasn't there, so I'll never know.
Depends if you'll believe the outcome of the investigation or not.

vonuber said:
Have you any idea what he's been up to and who is implicated?
Yes, because the same unspecified 'system' that has apparently murdered him has also uncovered a fair few things and made them public whilst he's being prosecuted.



vonuber

17,868 posts

165 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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La Liga said:
es, because the same unspecified 'system' that has apparently murdered him has also uncovered a fair few things and made them public whilst he's being prosecuted.
The same 'system' that let him get away with it the first time you mean? That system? The one which did the highly unusual thing of blocking investigation of any of his co-conspirators?

That system?

PSB1

3,681 posts

104 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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La Liga said:
PSB1 said:
I typically think conspiracy theorires are nuts. My thoughts on some of the most famous events and what really happened:

9/11 - AQ hijackers.
Moon Landings - NASA astronauts landed on the moon.
Osama Bin Laden - killed by Navy Seals

But in this case - 'mental gymnastics' vs sniff test. It fails the sniff test. But I wasn't there, so I'll never know.

[b]
Depends if you'll believe the outcome of the investigation or not. [/b]

vonuber said:
Have you any idea what he's been up to and who is implicated?
Yes, because the same unspecified 'system' that has apparently murdered him has also uncovered a fair few things and made them public whilst he's being prosecuted.
Absolutely will - I readily change my mind based on evidence and previously unavailable data.

dxg

8,203 posts

260 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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So, if you're surprised about this, imagine how surprised he must have been!

PSB1

3,681 posts

104 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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La Liga said:
PSB1 said:
I typically think conspiracy theorires are nuts. My thoughts on some of the most famous events and what really happened:

9/11 - AQ hijackers.
Moon Landings - NASA astronauts landed on the moon.
Osama Bin Laden - killed by Navy Seals

But in this case - 'mental gymnastics' vs sniff test. It fails the sniff test. But I wasn't there, so I'll never know.
Depends if you'll believe the outcome of the investigation or not.

vonuber said:
Have you any idea what he's been up to and who is implicated?
Yes, because the same unspecified 'system' that has apparently murdered him has also uncovered a fair few things and made them public whilst he's being prosecuted.
Out of interest, regarding the 'Death of Dr. David Kelly', are you totally comfortable with the outcome of the Hutton Inquiry?

Oakey

27,567 posts

216 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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grumbledoak said:
Imagine my surprise.
You're surprised? Imagine how surprised Epstein was!

PSB1

3,681 posts

104 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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Lentilist said:
PSB1 said:
I'm a fan of applying the 'Occam's Razor' test to things in general. In this instance, you really think suicide is the most likely cause here?
"Powerful and wealthy man who has operated in plain sight for decades and must have felt beyond the law suddenly realises he is likely about to lose everything and spend the rest of his life in prison where they really, really like paedophiles decides to kill himself" would seem a reasonable conclusion from Mr Occam's point of view? The alternative requires the default acceptance of a global paedophile elite who have infiltrated multiple governments, organisations and families before you even consider whether they'd then be moved to assassinate a man in prison. You'd have to buy into the QAnon worldview before you even considered Epstein's demise and what caused it, and if you've crossed that rubicon, Occam has already long since left your rear view mirror IMO.
No it does not! It would only take one person with motive + a contact in 'gaol'. I think you have a more inventive imagination than I do, in this case!

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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If I were going to go with a conspiracy, I'd go with it being known he was suicidal after the first attempt (or did 'they' fail to murder him on that occasion?) so the opportunity to allow him to kill himself was created. Whether not watching him correctly or whatever.

vonuber said:
La Liga said:
es, because the same unspecified 'system' that has apparently murdered him has also uncovered a fair few things and made them public whilst he's being prosecuted.
The same 'system' that let him get away with it the first time you mean? That system? The one which did the highly unusual thing of blocking investigation of any of his co-conspirators?

That system?
Do you mean the plea deal where judge who reviewed it this year stated he was 'not ruling that the decision not to prosecute was improper'?

PSB1 said:
Out of interest, regarding the 'Death of Dr. David Kelly', are you totally comfortable with the outcome of the Hutton Inquiry?
I think once the PM was released after initially being sealed it helped corroborate the conclusion.

IIRC the most realistic objection for that would be whether the higher threshold was met to conclude suicide as opposed to an open verdict.