University bans all beef from campus...........
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........in fight against 'climate change emergency'.
“They were once regarded as staples of the students’ canteen. But now burgers, lasagne, chilli and tacos have been taken off the menu at a London university which has banned beef as part of its efforts to fight climate change”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/12/beef-b...
“They were once regarded as staples of the students’ canteen. But now burgers, lasagne, chilli and tacos have been taken off the menu at a London university which has banned beef as part of its efforts to fight climate change”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/12/beef-b...
If we all stop eating beef what happens to all the cows? Will we need to have a cull every so often which is surely a waste or do we just not breed so many but we still need to for milk!
How does not eating cow help the planet? All this climate crap bores me stupid.
Doesn’t the world just have a natural cull every so often with ice age, dinosaurs etc!
How does not eating cow help the planet? All this climate crap bores me stupid.
Doesn’t the world just have a natural cull every so often with ice age, dinosaurs etc!
Geffg said:
If we all stop eating beef what happens to all the cows? Will we need to have a cull every so often which is surely a waste or do we just not breed so many but we still need to for milk!
How does not eating cow help the planet? All this climate crap bores me stupid.
Doesn’t the world just have a natural cull every so often with ice age, dinosaurs etc!
TL:DR- Beef uses loads of water and produces more greenhouse gas emissions per kg of protein than other meats. How does not eating cow help the planet? All this climate crap bores me stupid.
Doesn’t the world just have a natural cull every so often with ice age, dinosaurs etc!
Original reply:
Beef production requires a lot of water compared to almost any other meat, but that's a resource issue more than a climate change one, and arguably (unless we start getting to soylent green levels) less of an issue in wet countries:
https://waterfootprint.org/en/water-footprint/prod...
On a climate theme it's probably more to do with deforestation/ suitable land and greenhouse gas emissions of the animals themselves and their farming per/ kg of protein:
https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/environment/2...
Quick BBC infographic thing on co2 production involved in common foods:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-464...
Geffg said:
If we all stop eating beef what happens to all the cows? Will we need to have a cull every so often which is surely a waste or do we just not breed so many but we still need to for milk!
How does not eating cow help the planet? All this climate crap bores me stupid.
Doesn’t the world just have a natural cull every so often with ice age, dinosaurs etc!
pHow does not eating cow help the planet? All this climate crap bores me stupid.
Doesn’t the world just have a natural cull every so often with ice age, dinosaurs etc!
Good news for badgers though, maybe.
Geffg said:
If we all stop eating beef what happens to all the cows? Will we need to have a cull every so often which is surely a waste or do we just not breed so many but we still need to for milk!
How does not eating cow help the planet? All this climate crap bores me stupid.
Doesn’t the world just have a natural cull every so often with ice age, dinosaurs etc!
They won't be bred for food. No cull required. The not eating meat will extend to dairy and hence dairy cattle.How does not eating cow help the planet? All this climate crap bores me stupid.
Doesn’t the world just have a natural cull every so often with ice age, dinosaurs etc!
The problem is methane, which cows put out by the tonne. Cattle are a huge problem re gas emissions.
glazbagun said:
Geffg said:
If we all stop eating beef what happens to all the cows? Will we need to have a cull every so often which is surely a waste or do we just not breed so many but we still need to for milk!
How does not eating cow help the planet? All this climate crap bores me stupid.
Doesn’t the world just have a natural cull every so often with ice age, dinosaurs etc!
TL:DR- Beef uses loads of water and produces more greenhouse gas emissions per kg of protein than other meats. How does not eating cow help the planet? All this climate crap bores me stupid.
Doesn’t the world just have a natural cull every so often with ice age, dinosaurs etc!
Original reply:
Beef production requires a lot of water compared to almost any other meat, but that's a resource issue more than a climate change one, and arguably (unless we start getting to soylent green levels) less of an issue in wet countries:
https://waterfootprint.org/en/water-footprint/prod...
On a climate theme it's probably more to do with deforestation/ suitable land and greenhouse gas emissions of the animals themselves and their farming per/ kg of protein:
https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/environment/2...
Quick BBC infographic thing on co2 production involved in common foods:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-464...
‘Eating lettuce is over three times worse in greenhouse gas emissions than eating bacon'.
‘Eggplant, celery and cucumbers look particularly bad when compared to pork or chicken’
Carnegie Mellon Study said:
Following the USDA recommendations to consume more fruits, vegetables, dairy and seafood is more harmful to the environment because those foods have relatively high resource uses and greenhouse gas emissions per calorie
Eating the 'recommended foods' aka a mix of fruits, vegetables, dairy and seafood increased the environmental impact in all three categories: Energy Use went up by 38%, Water Use by 10% and Greenhouse Gas Emissions by 6%.Paper published in Environment Systems and Decisions, authorship team Michelle Tom, Paul Fischbeck, Chris Hendrickson.
It's not as clear cut as the hobgoblin imagineers think.
H L Mencken said:
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed, and hence clamorous to be led to safety, by an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary
This latest nonsense has arisen because those pushing climate fairytales at the UN have realised everyone else has realised Paris was/is a waste of time and money, so something new i.e. a new hobgoblin is needed to offset a lot of people becoming aware of the failure.
Bovine excreta of that type is bad for eveyone.
alfaman said:
Meanwhile in China.... vast annual increases in meat consumption.
Her job isn’t to tell students what to eat.
What would the ECHR have to say about the breach of human rights?
What are you talking about? The university likely doesn't have jellied eel, chicken feet, deep fried pizza or quail egg. It's not a human right for a restaurant/ canteen to stock your favourite food.Her job isn’t to tell students what to eat.
What would the ECHR have to say about the breach of human rights?
turbobloke said:
Whatabout bacon!
Whatabout Cucumber!
Anthropogenic Climatechange is a fraud!
Hope you don't mind me summarizing your post TB, but the thread and my reply were about beef, which uses loads of water, produces lots of greenhouse gas and is in growing demand as the world gets richer. Whatabout Cucumber!
Anthropogenic Climatechange is a fraud!
Brads67 said:
They won't be bred for food. No cull required. The not eating meat will extend to dairy and hence dairy cattle.
The problem is methane, which cows put out by the tonne. Cattle are a huge problem re gas emissions.
This is the usual, misinformed, line brought out on cattle. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/1803...The problem is methane, which cows put out by the tonne. Cattle are a huge problem re gas emissions.
Roaming cattle can actually be a net carbon sink, so the emphasis should be on farming practices not whether or not to ban meat. Earth has always had large roaming herds of herbivores but only recently have we had ‘vegan’ science.
glazbagun said:
alfaman said:
Meanwhile in China.... vast annual increases in meat consumption.
Her job isn’t to tell students what to eat.
What would the ECHR have to say about the breach of human rights?
What are you talking about? The university likely doesn't have jellied eel, chicken feet, deep fried pizza or quail egg. It's not a human right for a restaurant/ canteen to stock your favourite food.Her job isn’t to tell students what to eat.
What would the ECHR have to say about the breach of human rights?
Canteens should serve and stock what is reasonably popular/ in demand with the customers - that’s normally how F+B businesses work
Unilaterally banning beef is virtue signalling nonsense
alfaman said:
Unilaterally banning beef is virtue signalling nonsense
Obviously so, but it still gets missed in all the excitement. This lot (below) is a mere taster from the full menu of bunk that the trusted ‘science is settled’ alarmists have given us based on agw junk.
A general warming trend over the North Pole is melting the polar ice cap and will produce an ice-free Arctic Ocean by the year 2000
Arctic ocean ice is currently on track to melt sometime in 2008
Arctic ocean ice free by 2016 (still kicking the can)
By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people
By 2010 global temperatures will have increased by 5 degrees C
By 2010 there will be 50 million climate refugees in the world
New York under water by 2015
Plenty more besides on the same plate e.g. two noted scientists HRH Charles and PM Gordon Brown told us the planet would already be dead by now; as we’re not yet frying in our own juices HRH has kicked the can and we’ve got another fairytale date.
A real belter came from a ‘senior climate scientist’ at climate central aka UEA (Dr David Viner) in the year 2000 when we were told very seriously that UK snow would be a rare and exciting event, children won’t know what snow is etc just before a bunch of extremely cold and snowy winters.
Fantasy fairytales full of imaginary hobgoblins. Now that Paris is seen to be a busted flush we've got 'go vegan or the planet gets it' sure thing all the other predictions based on hooey have done really well and then there's the actual data in that paper from the Carnegie people posted previously showing that going all lettuce leaf is worse for the environment with headlines like " Eating Lettuce Is More Than Three Times Worse in Greenhouse Gas Emissions Than Eating Bacon".
Beefing about beef (and the rest) makes perfect sense if only you belieeeeeeve truly.
CoolHands said:
I’ve noticed a lot of ‘climate emergency’ crap lately, is there some big conspiracy to push it? Ch5 have got some series of stuff on the news if I noticed correctly, about different meals to eat to help with climate emergency. And it’s on all the kids stuff like newsround obviously.
Not that I believe in conspiracy theories or anything .... but consider this ....- Whatever people eat, they aren’t going to suddenly have more time to make it
- If you want to make palatable non meat food you’ve got to put a lot more effort in than cooking a steak
- The ingredients for non-meat food are a lot cheaper
So if you’re in the business of making pre-prepared food, getting people to reject meat offers improved margins and greater sales.
Next time you see some great “meat-free” event, have a look at who is sponsoring it.
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