University bans all beef from campus...........
Discussion
rxe said:
Next time you see some great “meat-free” event, have a look at who is sponsoring it.
Like large factory food producers ...? 
gotta ask what the carbon footprint is of a ready-meal factory is ... per gram of protein, compared to some home-grown meat and veg cooked at home (curious)
should ready-meals be banned?
should avocados and other long distance food be banned?
The president of the students union was on R4 this morning. The interviewer asked if the ban was tokenism, which the SU President denied. The interviewer then pointed out that to meet zero CO2 we would need to (for example) remove all gas heating systems by 2050, and asked whether the students would be happy to foot the bill (in higher tuition fees) to get close to zero emissions in University buildings. The SU president said education should be free and students wouldn't be happy paying the cost of getting to zero CO2. The interviewer followed up by saying how urgent the problem was how sacrifices would have to be made, to which the SU president said there was lots of time despite starting off the interview by saying that we had no time to avert the current catastrophe.
It wasn't quite a car crash of an interview, but only because the interviewer didn't press on the inconsistencies.
I'm not sure where I stand on climate change anymore to be honest, but if you are going to take a position then it needs to be at least partially thought through.
It wasn't quite a car crash of an interview, but only because the interviewer didn't press on the inconsistencies.
I'm not sure where I stand on climate change anymore to be honest, but if you are going to take a position then it needs to be at least partially thought through.
Before I start I’ll declare that I eat plenty of meat but am concerned about climate change.
I have read that eating less meat, particularly beef, is the best way any of us can reduce our impact on the climate. This would apparently be better than flying less, and by driving electric cars.
I think we all should try to eat LESS meat but I’m not sure banning meat is the answer. I’m trying to reduce my meat intake but have no intention of going completely veggie.
I have read that eating less meat, particularly beef, is the best way any of us can reduce our impact on the climate. This would apparently be better than flying less, and by driving electric cars.
I think we all should try to eat LESS meat but I’m not sure banning meat is the answer. I’m trying to reduce my meat intake but have no intention of going completely veggie.
JapanRed said:
Before I start I’ll declare that I eat plenty of meat but am concerned about climate change.
I have read that eating less meat, particularly beef, is the best way any of us can reduce our impact on the climate. This would apparently be better than flying less, and by driving electric cars.
I think we all should try to eat LESS meat but I’m not sure banning meat is the answer. I’m trying to reduce my meat intake but have no intention of going completely veggie.
I've read that the best way to reduce our impact on the environment is to stop cutting down the Amazon rainforest, and to stop buying disposable shyte and indeed anything really from China.I have read that eating less meat, particularly beef, is the best way any of us can reduce our impact on the climate. This would apparently be better than flying less, and by driving electric cars.
I think we all should try to eat LESS meat but I’m not sure banning meat is the answer. I’m trying to reduce my meat intake but have no intention of going completely veggie.
I think people should do that before giving up burgers.
turbobloke said:
Obviously so, but it still gets missed in all the excitement.
This lot (below) is a mere taster from the full menu of bunk that the trusted ‘science is settled’ alarmists have given us based on agw junk.
A general warming trend over the North Pole is melting the polar ice cap and will produce an ice-free Arctic Ocean by the year 2000
Arctic ocean ice is currently on track to melt sometime in 2008
Arctic ocean ice free by 2016 (still kicking the can)
By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people
By 2010 global temperatures will have increased by 5 degrees C
By 2010 there will be 50 million climate refugees in the world
New York under water by 2015
Plenty more besides on the same plate e.g. two noted scientists HRH Charles and PM Gordon Brown told us the planet would already be dead by now; as we’re not yet frying in our own juices HRH has kicked the can and we’ve got another fairytale date.
A real belter came from a ‘senior climate scientist’ at climate central aka UEA (Dr David Viner) in the year 2000 when we were told very seriously that UK snow would be a rare and exciting event, children won’t know what snow is etc just before a bunch of extremely cold and snowy winters.
Fantasy fairytales full of imaginary hobgoblins. Now that Paris is seen to be a busted flush we've got 'go vegan or the planet gets it' sure thing all the other predictions based on hooey have done really well and then there's the actual data in that paper from the Carnegie people posted previously showing that going all lettuce leaf is worse for the environment with headlines like " Eating Lettuce Is More Than Three Times Worse in Greenhouse Gas Emissions Than Eating Bacon".
Beefing about beef (and the rest) makes perfect sense if only you belieeeeeeve truly.
Oil and fossil fuels ran out in the 1990's don't you know! ?This lot (below) is a mere taster from the full menu of bunk that the trusted ‘science is settled’ alarmists have given us based on agw junk.
A general warming trend over the North Pole is melting the polar ice cap and will produce an ice-free Arctic Ocean by the year 2000
Arctic ocean ice is currently on track to melt sometime in 2008
Arctic ocean ice free by 2016 (still kicking the can)
By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people
By 2010 global temperatures will have increased by 5 degrees C
By 2010 there will be 50 million climate refugees in the world
New York under water by 2015
Plenty more besides on the same plate e.g. two noted scientists HRH Charles and PM Gordon Brown told us the planet would already be dead by now; as we’re not yet frying in our own juices HRH has kicked the can and we’ve got another fairytale date.
A real belter came from a ‘senior climate scientist’ at climate central aka UEA (Dr David Viner) in the year 2000 when we were told very seriously that UK snow would be a rare and exciting event, children won’t know what snow is etc just before a bunch of extremely cold and snowy winters.
Fantasy fairytales full of imaginary hobgoblins. Now that Paris is seen to be a busted flush we've got 'go vegan or the planet gets it' sure thing all the other predictions based on hooey have done really well and then there's the actual data in that paper from the Carnegie people posted previously showing that going all lettuce leaf is worse for the environment with headlines like " Eating Lettuce Is More Than Three Times Worse in Greenhouse Gas Emissions Than Eating Bacon".
Beefing about beef (and the rest) makes perfect sense if only you belieeeeeeve truly.
someone should ask the SU person of the relative impact of no burgers at goldsmiths vs deforestation in Brazil and burning the rainforest in Indonesia for palm oil.
.. which IMO is a much bigger issue : adds huge amounts of pollution plus reduces much forest which absorbs carbon plus kills lots of animals such as orangutans plus is pretty much irreversible .
.. which IMO is a much bigger issue : adds huge amounts of pollution plus reduces much forest which absorbs carbon plus kills lots of animals such as orangutans plus is pretty much irreversible .
The new warden's statement: “Though I have only just arrived at Goldsmiths, it is immediately obvious that our staff and students care passionately about the future of our environment and that they are determined to help deliver the step change we need to cut our carbon footprint drastically and as quickly as possible.”
What a
. Comes in, immediately tells everyone what they are and aren't allowed to eat. In fact, just reading that entire story makes me think what a fking horrible she is. She thinks even fake fur should be banned. 
I wonder how many times in her "career" she has played the professionally offended.
I'm all for freedom of speech, expression, diet etc - but this woman is NOT part of that. She's a would-be dictator in high-heels.
What a
. Comes in, immediately tells everyone what they are and aren't allowed to eat. In fact, just reading that entire story makes me think what a fking horrible she is. She thinks even fake fur should be banned. I wonder how many times in her "career" she has played the professionally offended.
I'm all for freedom of speech, expression, diet etc - but this woman is NOT part of that. She's a would-be dictator in high-heels.
We get whole or half lambs (already butchered, we're not complete Barbarians) from a local farmer who we went to school with, in fact. Ethically raised and the absolute lowest of the low carbon miles from source to kitchen. You couldn't knit tofu more efficiently. It's utterly delicious too.
The headlines are all about banning, as it sounds draconian and banning stuff always elicits a reaction.
If there is a problem with beef, or other aspects of industry or transport or how we live that’s bad for the environment, it’s much more realistic to give people options where they can help a bit here and there which is much more beneficial than banning completely.
What you will see much more of is “flexitarian’ options and people who are flexitarian, that is people not wanting to be vegetarian or vegan but want non meat options now and then.
Many Football grounds for instance are starting to sell non meat burgers this season. There’s going to be much more of this appearing, linked to the environment. Obviously there has to be checks about how soya is produced and transported etc but the land use and water usage etc for meat production is generally thought to be pretty bad for the environment.
Banning it isn’t really the answer though, people switch off and react badly.
Like electric cars or illegal streaming of media and content, people tend to want to do the right thing, but it has to be convenient and affordable otherwise they won’t.
If there is a problem with beef, or other aspects of industry or transport or how we live that’s bad for the environment, it’s much more realistic to give people options where they can help a bit here and there which is much more beneficial than banning completely.
What you will see much more of is “flexitarian’ options and people who are flexitarian, that is people not wanting to be vegetarian or vegan but want non meat options now and then.
Many Football grounds for instance are starting to sell non meat burgers this season. There’s going to be much more of this appearing, linked to the environment. Obviously there has to be checks about how soya is produced and transported etc but the land use and water usage etc for meat production is generally thought to be pretty bad for the environment.
Banning it isn’t really the answer though, people switch off and react badly.
Like electric cars or illegal streaming of media and content, people tend to want to do the right thing, but it has to be convenient and affordable otherwise they won’t.
There was a report in The Economist earlier this year pointing out that in developing countries particularly parts of Africa the rise in meat eating is having signigicant nutritional/health benefits. Now it's highly likely that these already very vulnerable people will be hectored by wealthy alarmists into remaining not only poor due to expensive energy but malnourished and sick. People with too much food and time on their hands and with heads full of imaginary hobgoblins are losing the plot.
Digga said:
...and the absolute lowest of the low carbon miles from source to kitchen.
Pretty much irrelevant in the carbon footprint of british lamb. The vast majority of the carbon impact comes from the animal just being alive and not making an awful lot of meat.Digga said:
You couldn't knit tofu more efficiently.
'Knit' and 'effciently' are pretty vague terms but in the Kg-protein/Kg-carbon ratio, tofu and lamb are literally incomparable. Digga said:
It's utterly delicious too.
I can't argue with that. El stovey said:
The headlines are all about banning, as it sounds draconian and banning stuff always elicits a reaction.
If there is a problem with beef, or other aspects of industry or transport or how we live that’s bad for the environment, it’s much more realistic to give people options where they can help a bit here and there which is much more beneficial than banning completely.
What you will see much more of is “flexitarian’ options and people who are flexitarian, that is people not wanting to be vegetarian or vegan but want non meat options now and then.
Many Football grounds for instance are starting to sell non meat burgers this season. There’s going to be much more of this appearing, linked to the environment. Obviously there has to be checks about how soya is produced and transported etc but the land use and water usage etc for meat production is generally thought to be pretty bad for the environment.
Banning it isn’t really the answer though, people switch off and react badly.
Like electric cars or illegal streaming of media and content, people tend to want to do the right thing, but it has to be convenient and affordable otherwise they won’t.
Spot on.If there is a problem with beef, or other aspects of industry or transport or how we live that’s bad for the environment, it’s much more realistic to give people options where they can help a bit here and there which is much more beneficial than banning completely.
What you will see much more of is “flexitarian’ options and people who are flexitarian, that is people not wanting to be vegetarian or vegan but want non meat options now and then.
Many Football grounds for instance are starting to sell non meat burgers this season. There’s going to be much more of this appearing, linked to the environment. Obviously there has to be checks about how soya is produced and transported etc but the land use and water usage etc for meat production is generally thought to be pretty bad for the environment.
Banning it isn’t really the answer though, people switch off and react badly.
Like electric cars or illegal streaming of media and content, people tend to want to do the right thing, but it has to be convenient and affordable otherwise they won’t.
Our nearest football ground is Forest Green Rovers which was at the forefront of the meat free campaign. Nothing wrong with it really as there are plenty of local pubs and eateries which will fill the gaps in the market
The away fans have taken to singing "Who ate all the tofu?" when a more than skeletal player takes to the pitch
Camoradi said:
Spot on.
Our nearest football ground is Forest Green Rovers which was at the forefront of the meat free campaign. Nothing wrong with it really as there are plenty of local pubs and eateries which will fill the gaps in the market
The away fans have taken to singing "Who ate all the tofu?" when a more than skeletal player takes to the pitch
That’s probably unusual though, at premiership grounds they’re only now introducing more non meat options, so you’ll the choice of a meat burger AND a non meat burger. It goes back to what I was saying about “flexitarianism” and having more meat free options and letting people rather than the vendor decide. Our nearest football ground is Forest Green Rovers which was at the forefront of the meat free campaign. Nothing wrong with it really as there are plenty of local pubs and eateries which will fill the gaps in the market
The away fans have taken to singing "Who ate all the tofu?" when a more than skeletal player takes to the pitch
southendpier said:
I think you can get there on Crossrail.southendpier said:
She has a personal website? Jesus wept.
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