University bans all beef from campus...........

[Randy Winkman]

Evanivitch said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Now all that needs to happen is for students / school children to put their money where their mouth is, and starting walking to and from school / social events instead of being taken there in a collosal four wheel drive sprogpanzers, and giving up their, computers, music festivals, holidays in warm countries, and other resource consuming entertainment devices all to help their cause of reducing resource consumption, and the emissions which result from those damaging activities. .

Yes of course, it's all down to the children who don't buy cars, don't choose holidays, don't purchase consumer products and don't get a vote to decide how we should all live a lower impact lifestyle...

Exactly. Children being blamed for their parents actions has been used before here.

[turbobloke]

Randy Winkman said:

Evanivitch said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Now all that needs to happen is for students / school children to put their money where their mouth is, and starting walking to and from school / social events instead of being taken there in a collosal four wheel drive sprogpanzers, and giving up their, computers, music festivals, holidays in warm countries, and other resource consuming entertainment devices all to help their cause of reducing resource consumption, and the emissions which result from those damaging activities. .

Yes of course, it's all down to the children who don't buy cars, don't choose holidays, don't purchase consumer products and don't get a vote to decide how we should all live a lower impact lifestyle...

Exactly. Children being blamed for their parents actions has been used before here.

Really? Do you have a quote and a link to back up that assertion? Just checking, nothing more.

Clearly children pester their parents for lifts by car, consumer goods, hard cash and so on. So much so that 'pester power' is a nudge tactic of the new green religionists in worshipping their fake green god. It's only been around for ten years or more.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/feb/0...

Separating children and parents in this way, in this context, is arguably a false dichotomy particularly as aduits are now weaponising children for the fake green god's purposes. Either way, link/quote awaited.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Randy Winkman said:

Evanivitch said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Now all that needs to happen is for students / school children to put their money where their mouth is, and starting walking to and from school / social events instead of being taken there in a collosal four wheel drive sprogpanzers, and giving up their, computers, music festivals, holidays in warm countries, and other resource consuming entertainment devices all to help their cause of reducing resource consumption, and the emissions which result from those damaging activities. .

Yes of course, it's all down to the children who don't buy cars, don't choose holidays, don't purchase consumer products and don't get a vote to decide how we should all live a lower impact lifestyle...

Exactly. Children being blamed for their parents actions has been used before here.

All this is, is a case of those who have and want to protest about MMGW, being required to put their money where their mouth is. Some may like the idea, some may not, but at least it is a step in the right direction, for those who believe in MMGW, They cannot keep on harping about MMGW, and then carry on doing some of the very things they are bleating about, That would be illogical..

[andy_s]

Don't the little darlings eat?

[Evanivitch]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Evanivitch said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Now all that needs to happen is for students / school children to put their money where their mouth is, and starting walking to and from school / social events instead of being taken there in a collosal four wheel drive sprogpanzers, and giving up their, computers, music festivals, holidays in warm countries, and other resource consuming entertainment devices all to help their cause of reducing resource consumption, and the emissions which result from those damaging activities. .

Yes of course, it's all down to the children who don't buy cars, don't choose holidays, don't purchase consumer products and don't get a vote to decide how we should all live a lower impact lifestyle...

Well of course they don't buy cars, don't choose holidays, don't purchase consumer products, and don't get a vote because Errr .they are children. and are generally not allowed to. But (and this may come as a surprise to you), they all grow into adults, and then do all the things they cannot do as children. Every new human on the planet, is like those already here is a resource consuming, emissions producing entity, and we are producing up 342 thousand net new humans per day, Even they `they' don't buy consumer products directly, they pester their parents and relatives to buy them, Things, holidays to Disney world etc, (that their parents might not necessarily buy) if they did not have children, so think of them as trainee consumer units undergoing the consumer training / emissions producing process.

18-30 are travelling fewer miles, driving fewer miles, and yet UK mileage continues to grow?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-448...

People are still flying, that's very true. But flight efficiency has significantly improved over the last 2 decades and staycations are on the increase, most noticeably in the sub-34 category.

http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/332855/mill...

What is disappointing is that younger people seem to be recycling less than others, we can make it excuses about the practicalities of recycling in some scenarios, but this is something that should be improved upon.

http://www.recyclingwasteworld.co.uk/news/millenni...



Does pestering go both ways? Kids pestering for a Disney holiday, and kids pestering for a hybrid family car? Kids pestering for a new phone, and kids pestering for a renewables energy provider? I'd be intrigued to know how much weight a child's pestering actually holds, or is it all just more social peacocking?

[Pan Pan Pan]

andy_s said:

Don't the little darlings eat?

Yup, they also want to wear clothes, including the latest trainers,be kept warm in winter, and cool in summer, they want to move from where they were born (further than they can walk), they want foreign holidays, TV`s.computers, computer games I Pads, music festivals, and all the other trappings of modern life that all people do. Some of them will even want a car, a house, and kids of their own. Strangely all these trappings consume resources, and produce emissions, the very things they have been protesting about. Odd that.

[Pesty]

Pan Pan Pan said:

andy_s said:

Don't the little darlings eat?

Yup, they also want to wear clothes, including the latest trainers,be kept warm in winter, and cool in summer, they want to move from where they were born (further than they can walk), they want foreign holidays, TV`s.computers, computer games I Pads, music festivals, and all the other trappings of modern life that all people do. Some of them will even want a car, a house, and kids of their own. Strangely all these trappings consume resources, and produce emissions, the very things they have been protesting about. Odd that.

Not just wear clothes, ditch every year for the latest trend and must haves.

I’m only 50 but I was brought up in not the greatest situation. I’m sure my council parker wasn’t the greenest thing in the planet but it got worn until it fell apart. Holidays? What fking holidays etc etc
The waste thing was drummed into me from birth. And this is what annoys me. These kids blame my parents generation and mine. My grandmothers entire carbon life footprint was probably less than theirs for a few years. She never even had a car.

All these lefty students lecturing me who all not only fly several times a year, go to gigs, parties,
Must have little plastic balls in their face wash ( seriously it’s funny how women have jumped on this bandwagon when you dig deep down into a lot of problems guess what) what’s wrong with soap. You don’t even need shower gel and all the waste plastic that comes with it and cosmetics.

The only reason I’m not wearing shirts I bought 20 years ago is because they don’t fit. But guess what they are still in the loft.
Who must have the latest fashion? Yep they ditch last years clothes and buy new. How green. But hey some little, puppet paid for and forced on us by some rich organisations pushed in the media is going on a totally impractical travel method so yeah let’s didn’t have beef.

[Digga]

Evanivitch said:

18-30 are travelling fewer miles, driving fewer miles, and yet UK mileage continues to grow?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-448...

If an economy grows, more goods and services have to be transported, more people will travel, by all modes.

There needs to be an adult discussion in the UK about the compound growth of infrastructure demand. It sound unacceptable, but we need more and better roads, urgently.

[turbobloke]

After attempting to cut down meat production, roads - which have been targeted in the past, remain an enemy of Gaia and may well be mentioned in the next call to prayer from the climate religion's high priests - could easily re-emerge in the cross-hairs. If so, rather than seeing calls for better infrastructure as needed, expect to see right-on organisations including unis and colleges competing to adopt the most extreme and grotesque position in obeisance. Most virtue, biggest signal. Car parks are already too small but may be closed, then access roads, with more cycle 'lanes' on the wider footpaths. The economy and our quality of life are no longer worthy. Luxury goods will remain a prime target, with carbon credit cards in place it'll be even easier to push for the full hair shirt.

[Derek Smith]

Randy Winkman said:

Exactly. Children being blamed for their parents actions has been used before here.

Parent and grandparent here.

I bought some clothes second-hand even when I was married and working all but three days a month. I walked the 2.5 miles to the railway station. I didn't have a car, foreign holidays, phone, central heating . . . mostly because I was poor, I accpet. Regardless of reasons, my carbon footprint - without a TV, ipad, iphone, constant use of the internet, precious metals, and products that pollute in both manufacture and disposal - was much lighter than that of my kids, and most of the current generation.

You could blame me for my plastic bag use, although I used to save them for recycling. However, we used to shop in town and walk home, and so plastic bags were not that useful and not that craved. We used strong shopping bags until the handles came off and then stitched them on again.

Of course, there's my unfulfilled desiderata I suppose, but my actions were not that invasive of the oceans and atmosphere. Steaks? - less than once a month, probably less than six times a year.

We are better off now, thankfully, but the habit of shopping in second hand shops, now called, with a certain amount of twee, charity shops, remains. Not so much clothing, as items that we could afford, but the mantra of 'waste not, want not' is too well established. Our kids were pushed around in second hand prams. You had to live in the posh area of my village to be able to afford a new one.

We were better off than our parents were. For them, they were left with want despite no wastage.

I don't mind being blamed for all the ills of the present day as long as it is not taken as an excuse for the current generation to do nothing because of misplaced jealousy of a mythical time of waste and plenty.

[grumbledoak]

Some thread pulling on who is behind the latest anti-meat push here:
https://twitter.com/_S70DD/status/1157880263613005...

Follow, as I said, the money.

[wc98]

grumbledoak said:

Some thread pulling on who is behind the latest anti-meat push here:
https://twitter.com/_S70DD/status/1157880263613005...

Follow, as I said, the money.

i don't have a problem with them doing all in their power to push their product, though i would prefer a bit more clarity on why. i do have a big problem with all the thick as fking pigst right on virtue signaling morons, including those in the msm that push this ste because they are too fking dim to remember the basic premise of what they get paid for, research. s, the lot of them.

[CoolHands]

grumbledoak said:

Some thread pulling on who is behind the latest anti-meat push here:
https://twitter.com/_S70DD/status/1157880263613005...

Follow, as I said, the money.

Amazing how people in the know can get their stories out and picked up by mainstream press with no challenge and presented to the general public as major news stories.

[grumbledoak]

The mainstream media is for sale, it is as simple as that. They make nothing from the subscriptions, everything from advertising. He who pays the Piper calls the tunes.

More depressing, to me, is the amount of so-called "science" that is really just paid advertising.

[andy_s]

Meat, I guess, is only a fraction of diet...

[wc98]

andy_s said:

Meat, I guess, is only a fraction of diet...

i think i like farmers who are tired of defending their work to vegans

[Evanivitch]

andy_s said:

Meat, I guess, is only a fraction of diet...

When did farming become a quasi-religion that can accept quantifiable facts when presented to it, and instead puts it's fingers in its ears and shouts louder?

The "facts" are wrong from line one. Line one.

https://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid:b0b53649-5e93-44...

Now if you want to go into the argument on necessity then yes, that's a good line of discussion. Of note, most studies and public bodies haven't suggested we eat no meat. So just like (most of us) drinking wine everyday isn't a common occurrence, neither does eating meat need to be.

[andy_s]

Evanivitch said:

When did farming become a quasi-religion that can accept quantifiable facts when presented to it, and instead puts it's fingers in its ears and shouts louder?

The "facts" are wrong from line one. Line one.

https://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid:b0b53649-5e93-44...

Now if you want to go into the argument on necessity then yes, that's a good line of discussion. Of note, most studies and public bodies haven't suggested we eat no meat. So just like (most of us) drinking wine everyday isn't a common occurrence, neither does eating meat need to be.

Except wine is not really comparable to food, I would say.

Seems to me that with about 1% of our [UK] CO2 coming from agriculture, and methane on the decline (50% from 1990, with remaining headroom] and our total agriculture causing 9% of our total GHG emissions, [again, falling currently, with headroom], that it's a small percentile, getting smaller in quantity, alongside gross falling emissions in other sectors, [declined by around 38% since 1990, faster than any other major developed country], that it's an issue that's being dealt with and meat in particular seems to be a very small proportion of the overall.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

We live in the cuds, so source our stuff locally, I can see the coos from here, and eat meat 3-4 times a week. I can't see me changing my habits much.

The Uni is one of those woke-hysteria places I think:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/17/an...

[Although Murray is a bit ranty himself sometimes]

[SpeedMattersNot]

Pesty said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

andy_s said:

Don't the little darlings eat?

Yup, they also want to wear clothes, including the latest trainers,be kept warm in winter, and cool in summer, they want to move from where they were born (further than they can walk), they want foreign holidays, TV`s.computers, computer games I Pads, music festivals, and all the other trappings of modern life that all people do. Some of them will even want a car, a house, and kids of their own. Strangely all these trappings consume resources, and produce emissions, the very things they have been protesting about. Odd that.

Not just wear clothes, ditch every year for the latest trend and must haves.

I’m only 50 but I was brought up in not the greatest situation. I’m sure my council parker wasn’t the greenest thing in the planet but it got worn until it fell apart. Holidays? What fking holidays etc etc
The waste thing was drummed into me from birth. And this is what annoys me. These kids blame my parents generation and mine. My grandmothers entire carbon life footprint was probably less than theirs for a few years. She never even had a car.

All these lefty students lecturing me who all not only fly several times a year, go to gigs, parties,
Must have little plastic balls in their face wash ( seriously it’s funny how women have jumped on this bandwagon when you dig deep down into a lot of problems guess what) what’s wrong with soap. You don’t even need shower gel and all the waste plastic that comes with it and cosmetics.

The only reason I’m not wearing shirts I bought 20 years ago is because they don’t fit. But guess what they are still in the loft.
Who must have the latest fashion? Yep they ditch last years clothes and buy new. How green. But hey some little, puppet paid for and forced on us by some rich organisations pushed in the media is going on a totally impractical travel method so yeah let’s didn’t have beef.

Parents are the WORST for ensuring their kids are fully kitted out with the latest trendy stuff.

Some parents will feel so ashamed that their neighbours not only have two lease Audi's but little Rupert has the latest iPhone without a cracked screen.

They send their kids to school with iPhone's but no calculators. They send them with £10 cash, but no drinks bottle.

In my experience, it's the bright students who are actively trying to improve the school recycling and green programme, whilst the self entitled ones have the iPhone's and the expensive coats.

[Randy Winkman]

turbobloke said:

Randy Winkman said:

Evanivitch said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Now all that needs to happen is for students / school children to put their money where their mouth is, and starting walking to and from school / social events instead of being taken there in a collosal four wheel drive sprogpanzers, and giving up their, computers, music festivals, holidays in warm countries, and other resource consuming entertainment devices all to help their cause of reducing resource consumption, and the emissions which result from those damaging activities. .

Yes of course, it's all down to the children who don't buy cars, don't choose holidays, don't purchase consumer products and don't get a vote to decide how we should all live a lower impact lifestyle...

Exactly. Children being blamed for their parents actions has been used before here.

Really? Do you have a quote and a link to back up that assertion? Just checking, nothing more.

Clearly children pester their parents for lifts by car, consumer goods, hard cash and so on. So much so that 'pester power' is a nudge tactic of the new green religionists in worshipping their fake green god. It's only been around for ten years or more.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/feb/0...

Separating children and parents in this way, in this context, is arguably a false dichotomy particularly as aduits are now weaponising children for the fake green god's purposes. Either way, link/quote awaited.

I really cant be bothered to look for a link but I've responded on this issue more than once before. Probably in the school strike thread. In general terms it's a common behaviour on here (though probably in all internet forums.) i.e. People being called "hypocritical" because some other people who are the same gender/age/race/political persuasion say or do something contradictory. As I've said (at least once) before, how does anyone know how many young people campaigning against climate change are also asking their parents for lifts to school or overseas holidays? It has to be the same people otherwise it's just stereotyping.