University bans all beef from campus...........
Discussion
andy_s said:
Except wine is not really comparable to food, I would say.
Seems to me that with about 1% of our [UK] CO2 coming from agriculture, and methane on the decline (50% from 1990, with remaining headroom] and our total agriculture causing 9% of our total GHG emissions, [again, falling currently, with headroom], that it's a small percentile, getting smaller in quantity, alongside gross falling emissions in other sectors, [declined by around 38% since 1990, faster than any other major developed country], that it's an issue that's being dealt with and meat in particular seems to be a very small proportion of the overall.
Which unfortunately ignores the fact that 50% of our food is imported from other countries, which a UK consumer is still responsible for. (Export £1.8Bn, imports £6.7Bn). A significant portion of that is meat, and another good proportion of that is from the Republic of Ireland, plenty comes from much further afield.Seems to me that with about 1% of our [UK] CO2 coming from agriculture, and methane on the decline (50% from 1990, with remaining headroom] and our total agriculture causing 9% of our total GHG emissions, [again, falling currently, with headroom], that it's a small percentile, getting smaller in quantity, alongside gross falling emissions in other sectors, [declined by around 38% since 1990, faster than any other major developed country], that it's an issue that's being dealt with and meat in particular seems to be a very small proportion of the overall.
And whilst everyone acknowledges that flying-in exotic fruits is environmentally damaging, it's also not great to be shipping in chilled and frozen meat.
Evanivitch said:
andy_s said:
Except wine is not really comparable to food, I would say.
Seems to me that with about 1% of our [UK] CO2 coming from agriculture, and methane on the decline (50% from 1990, with remaining headroom] and our total agriculture causing 9% of our total GHG emissions, [again, falling currently, with headroom], that it's a small percentile, getting smaller in quantity, alongside gross falling emissions in other sectors, [declined by around 38% since 1990, faster than any other major developed country], that it's an issue that's being dealt with and meat in particular seems to be a very small proportion of the overall.
Which unfortunately ignores the fact that 50% of our food is imported from other countries, which a UK consumer is still responsible for. (Export £1.8Bn, imports £6.7Bn). A significant portion of that is meat, and another good proportion of that is from the Republic of Ireland, plenty comes from much further afield.Seems to me that with about 1% of our [UK] CO2 coming from agriculture, and methane on the decline (50% from 1990, with remaining headroom] and our total agriculture causing 9% of our total GHG emissions, [again, falling currently, with headroom], that it's a small percentile, getting smaller in quantity, alongside gross falling emissions in other sectors, [declined by around 38% since 1990, faster than any other major developed country], that it's an issue that's being dealt with and meat in particular seems to be a very small proportion of the overall.
And whilst everyone acknowledges that flying-in exotic fruits is environmentally damaging, it's also not great to be shipping in chilled and frozen meat.
Releasing plant food gas, tree food gas, crop food gas, lawn food gas, shrub food gas, green algae food gas (and the rest) is not environmentally damaging, it's greening the planet and feeding more hungry humans due to feeding the base of the global food chain. That may be a problem for human-hating alarmists and extremists but otherwise it's OK. So-called damage arising from inadequate computer climate models which omit solar eruptivity and other forcings to leave room for the carbon dioxide assumption isn't evidence-based. It's assumption and faith-based. Presumably the damage comes from litter or spillages and that sort of thing which tend to accompany travels of various kinds from seasick protesters to food transport to yacht crew members if they fly to New York to help bring a zero emissions ho ho ho yacht back.
Greenies have a moral license to pollute and eat meat, apparently. It's not irony or hypocrisy after all 
Greens Believe They Have A Moral License To Pollute
Greens Believe They Have A Moral License To Pollute
El stovey said:
Nothing to do with beef.
The thread is reasonably exploring future scenarios in the face of current daft green beefy nonsense. It's easy pickings given how daft greenyism is becoming. Roads and car parks are previous examples you missed, feel free to whine some more, it's more off-topic than anything being whined about. turbobloke said:
El stovey said:
Nothing to do with beef.
The thread is reasonably exploring future scenarios in the face of current daft green beefy nonsense. It's easy pickings given how daft greenyism is becoming. Roads and car parks are previous examples you missed, feel free to whine some more, it's more off-topic than anything being whined about. 
El stovey said:
turbobloke said:
El stovey said:
Nothing to do with beef.
The thread is reasonably exploring future scenarios in the face of current daft green beefy nonsense. It's easy pickings given how daft greenyism is becoming. Roads and car parks are previous examples you missed, feel free to whine some more, it's more off-topic than anything being whined about. As opposed to supermarket sales, the sale of beef from UK butchers increased by 3% last year.
Apparently the Chinese are turning to luxury Australian steaks in a pork shortage with sales soaring.
Total per capita USA meat consumption continues to increase after five decades of steady upness.
Outside campus, ecomuppet alarmist messages fail to make the grade (again).
Apparently the Chinese are turning to luxury Australian steaks in a pork shortage with sales soaring.
Total per capita USA meat consumption continues to increase after five decades of steady upness.
Outside campus, ecomuppet alarmist messages fail to make the grade (again).
This post on Facebook about the environmental impact of growing fruit and vegetables to sustain a world food market is worth a read.
It criticises Goldsmiths and the BBC for backing bad science.
https://www.facebook.com/alasdair.houston.94/posts...
It criticises Goldsmiths and the BBC for backing bad science.
https://www.facebook.com/alasdair.houston.94/posts...
Blakewater said:
This post on Facebook about the environmental impact of growing fruit and vegetables to sustain a world food market is worth a read.
It criticises Goldsmiths and the BBC for backing bad science.
https://www.facebook.com/alasdair.houston.94/posts...
Why are these people always incapable of providing a reference?It criticises Goldsmiths and the BBC for backing bad science.
https://www.facebook.com/alasdair.houston.94/posts...
People also need to contemplate these:
mikiec said:
Brads67 said:
They won't be bred for food. No cull required. The not eating meat will extend to dairy and hence dairy cattle.
The problem is methane, which cows put out by the tonne. Cattle are a huge problem re gas emissions.
This is the usual, misinformed, line brought out on cattle. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/1803...The problem is methane, which cows put out by the tonne. Cattle are a huge problem re gas emissions.
Roaming cattle can actually be a net carbon sink, so the emphasis should be on farming practices not whether or not to ban meat. Earth has always had large roaming herds of herbivores but only recently have we had ‘vegan’ science.
Pothole said:
mikiec said:
Brads67 said:
They won't be bred for food. No cull required. The not eating meat will extend to dairy and hence dairy cattle.
The problem is methane, which cows put out by the tonne. Cattle are a huge problem re gas emissions.
This is the usual, misinformed, line brought out on cattle. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/1803...The problem is methane, which cows put out by the tonne. Cattle are a huge problem re gas emissions.
Roaming cattle can actually be a net carbon sink, so the emphasis should be on farming practices not whether or not to ban meat. Earth has always had large roaming herds of herbivores but only recently have we had ‘vegan’ science.
Linky said:
"AMP is not as productive as feedlots, based on yields, but the AMP grazing system produced considerably greater amounts of beef on a land basis as compared to continuous grazing, showing that improved management can increase the output of grass-fed beef," he said. "Ultimately, in a closed system, this implies somewhat lower per capita beef consumption, but greater environmental benefits from what is consumed."
“Eating a keto diet that’s especially high in red meat will be undermining the sustainability of the climate,” Harvard nutrition professor Dr. Walter Willett told Business Insider. “It’s bad for the person eating it, but also really bad for our children and our grandchildren, so that’s something I think we should totally, strongly advise against. It’s — in fact — irresponsible.”
Sustainability of the climate (undermined) - a farce of a buzzword bingo phrase identifying the statement as akin to the form meat takes after digestion and before excretion. The climate has been around for over 4 billion years and will be around for billions of years more more, the climate has always changed and always will change, it's chaotic out there (dude) so it's difficult to think of anything more sustainable up to the Sun going red giant. A diet won't threaten anything but the waistline of the dieter...one way or the other.
We really need more of this stuff, ideally on prime time TV news.
Sustainability of the climate (undermined) - a farce of a buzzword bingo phrase identifying the statement as akin to the form meat takes after digestion and before excretion. The climate has been around for over 4 billion years and will be around for billions of years more more, the climate has always changed and always will change, it's chaotic out there (dude) so it's difficult to think of anything more sustainable up to the Sun going red giant. A diet won't threaten anything but the waistline of the dieter...one way or the other.
We really need more of this stuff, ideally on prime time TV news.
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