Jo Swinson

[crankedup]

Exactly what does ‘a Government of National unity’ mean. Unity of what, less than half of the referendum electorate 2016. How is that National unity, what is this proposal if enacted focused upon, stopping what was called for in the referendum. Out of the E.U. is plain enough for most people to understand. If we cannot come to a reasonable
and acceptable deal with the E.U., and that is where we are, then we leave on no deal.

[Blue62]

jsf said:

What is the correct £ rate and why?

Strange question, there is no such thing as a 'correct rate' but you look at historical data to assess where a nations currency should sit, we are at historical lows right now but hopefully for not too long. A weak currency is evidence of decline and filters into weak wage growth and price cuts, in effect it its a writing down of your assets by your trading partners, it is capital leaving your country because investors have written down your value, which is not good news, but maybe you'd like to think it is.

There are circumstances where a weakening currency is desirable as a short term measure to boost exports and demand, but only if it is part of an intentional policy and then only as a short term measure to get the economy going again. I can't think of any serious economists who think a weak currency is desirable in the long term, but it's over 30 years since I studied the subject, so there may be some new theory out there. HTH.

[67Dino]

captain_cynic said:

67Dino said:

Worth pointing out that a weak pound is not a totally bad thing. Good for exports, for example...

One of the most common economic fallacies and probably the most repeated by those who do not know what a weak currency is.

A weak currency is one that is continually decreasing in value. That is never a good thing.

Thanks, you’re of course right. I meant ‘weaker’ rather than ‘weak’’, and didn’t mean to imply it was a totally good thing either. Apart from that, I made my point with commendable clarity...

[crankedup]

sugerbear said:

MC Bodge said:

Lindun said:

booboise blueboys said:

It just gets better. Major U Turn by Swinson. She's worse than Corbyn.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bre...

Your posts on this thread come across as a little hysterical, almost “look at me laughing at her, when really inside I’m in pieces that it might happen and Brexit will be stopped”.

Whether you like it or not, she is building some sort of momentum (I really didn’t want to use that word for obvious reasons) and this could spark some interesting political shenanigans over the coming weeks.

I agree entirely. There is a lot of fear from some people. The fear is that something sensible and rational could take place, which may help.

No matter what your stance, the current situation is ludicrous.

The Brexiters should be cheering at the possibility of a no ideal being taken off the table.

They can get at least another five years out of supporting the man that has failed to become an MP and he he gets to continue with his looney party grifting a living from the gullible and as a bonus they can carry on blaming their stty lives on the EU / Liberal Elites / Eastern Europeans / The Tories / Labour / Lib Dims / Ed Sheeran's swimming pool / Prince Harry's choice of bride and so forth.

‘That man’ and his ‘loony Party’ seems to have got under the skin of many

[MC Bodge]

crankedup said:

‘That man’ and his ‘loony Party’ seems to have got under the skin of many

As do the Lib Dems at the moment.....

[rs1952]

Blue62 said:

Le Controleur Horizontal said:

It just needed some notes

I couldn't care less about your politics, but why do you think it's acceptable to edit someone else's post? I'm sure you don't intend to confuse, but your comments could be attributed to rs1952, which ain't right. There's quite a bit of 'ETFY' on here and I always strikes me as a feeble attempt to undermine the poster.

I didn’t even notice what he did until you posted this, so then I went back to have a look At least his post makes a little more sense now.

However, for the avoidance of doubt, this is what actually happened:

rs1952 said:

...by the Labour and Conservative parties lurching to the left and right respectively as they have both been taken over by extremist nutcases.

Le Controleur Horizontal not rs1952 said:

Total twaddle, only Labour have been taken over by "extremists"

What we appear to have here is an interesting case of confirmation bias, where the only “facts” one can accept agree with one’s preconceived notions. Whilst apparently agreeing with me that labour have been taken over by extremist nutcases, the conservative nutcases are really all jolly good eggs who I have unfairly maligned. People like:

“fk business” Johnson
“Do we really still need the Good Friday Agreement?” Rees Mogg
“They need us more than we need them “Davies
Dr “This will be the easiest trade deal in history” Fox
“Turkey is joining the EU and we can’t stop them” Cummings

The list goes on but that shower will do for a few examples. Nutcases? What nutcases? No nutcases to see here mate…

Of course not Controller. Don't worry. Nurse will be along with the medication shortly...

[Le Controleur Horizontal]

taken over by "extremists"...is what you said with ref to right/left for each party.

Only a fool would call Boris et al "right wing extremists", the same cannot be said about Corbyn, Red John and Momentum.

[andymadmak]

rs1952 said:

“fk business” Johnson
“Do we really still need the Good Friday Agreement?” Rees Mogg
“They need us more than we need them “Davies
Dr “This will be the easiest trade deal in history” Fox
“Turkey is joining the EU and we can’t stop them” Cummings

Still misrepresenting I see

[Le Controleur Horizontal]

Blue62 said:

Le Controleur Horizontal said:

It just needed some notes

I couldn't care less about your politics, but why do you think it's acceptable to edit someone else's post? I'm sure you don't intend to confuse, but your comments could be attributed to rs1952, which ain't right. There's quite a bit of 'ETFY' on here and I always strikes me as a feeble attempt to undermine the poster.

I ADDED to the quote...BOLD

Melt

[Mark Benson]

andymadmak said:

rs1952 said:

“fk business” Johnson
“Do we really still need the Good Friday Agreement?” Rees Mogg
“They need us more than we need them “Davies
Dr “This will be the easiest trade deal in history” Fox
“Turkey is joining the EU and we can’t stop them” Cummings

Still misrepresenting I see

And how does any of that (even without taking comments out of context) indicate a 'lurch to the right' for the Conservatives?

[rs1952]

andymadmak said:

rs1952 said:

“fk business” Johnson
“Do we really still need the Good Friday Agreement?” Rees Mogg
“They need us more than we need them “Davies
Dr “This will be the easiest trade deal in history” Fox
“Turkey is joining the EU and we can’t stop them” Cummings

Still misrepresenting I see

Not misrepresenting. Quoting the people concerned.

[andymadmak]

rs1952 said:

Not misrepresenting. Quoting the people concerned.

No, really, you are misrepresenting, and changing words. For example the Fox quote you have substituted 'will' for 'should'. It rather changes the meaning

This has been discussed and proven so many times it's difficult to imagine that you are not aware of this

[rdjohn]

jsf said:

Blue62 said:

It's not really worth pointing out, there are benefits but they are very much short term. All countries aspire to having a strong and stable currency, a weak pound is not good for the long term health of our economy.

What is the correct £ rate and why?

Probably between €1:20 and €1:30. The $US is king right now and the Euro has issues, as we know.

We were at about €1:40 during 2015. Despite the huge fall, exports have been disappointing. We have suffered the inflation on imports without much benefit. I believe No Deal would have us heading towards parity.

I write this as a committed leaver who wants a sensible deal. May killed that notion. The way things are between US and China right now, I do not see any huge upside there in any free-trade deal.

If Nancy and Hong Kong issues even allow it to happen.

This issue is much bigger than hoping that Boris can pull a rabbit out of the hat.

[rs1952]

andymadmak said:

rs1952 said:

Not misrepresenting. Quoting the people concerned.

No, really, you are misrepresenting, and changing words. For example the Fox quote you have substituted 'will' for 'should'. It rather changes the meaning

This has been discussed and proven so many times it's difficult to imagine that you are not aware of this

Perhaps I don't spend as much time on PH than I used to - now only on wet days when other forums I subscribe to are quiet and I've got bugger all else to do

But OK - I'll concede that there is a big difference, in a political speech, between the words "will" and "should."

Now pick holes in the others...

Oh - by he way - what happened about, "within minutes of a vote for Brexit, CEOs would be knocking down Chancellor Merkel’s door. Demanding access to the British market." I must have missed the memo.

[Cantaloupe]

Never mind all that political malarkey, could Jo defeat her fellow Scot Nicola in a naked mudbath fight ?

Jo has the edge I think, although Nicky has martial art skills.

[crankedup]

MC Bodge said:

crankedup said:

‘That man’ and his ‘loony Party’ seems to have got under the skin of many

As do the Lib Dems at the moment.....

Sadly yes, I used to be a supporter of the Lib Dem’s, that is until they got their first whiff of power in decades. It all went downhill from then and has continued the slide down. Now they do come across as a bit, well cranky

[valiant]

Cantaloupe said:

Never mind all that political malarkey, could Jo defeat her fellow Scot Nicola in a naked mudbath fight ?

Jo has the edge I think, although Nicky has martial art skills.

You and your fantasies.

[andymadmak]

rs1952 said:

Oh - by he way - what happened about, "within minutes of a vote for Brexit, CEOs would be knocking down Chancellor Merkel’s door. Demanding access to the British market." I must have missed the memo.

How do we know it didn't happen......?

[Blue62]

Le Controleur Horizontal said:

I ADDED to the quote...BOLD

Melt

Adding to the quote is editing, the reader could construe that your additions were part of the original post. 'Melt' is clearly designed to offend, I've no idea why you think it's acceptable to write that but we all have our own standards, so it simply serves to underline where yours sit. In terms of offence, you'll be disappointed to learn that none is taken, I have to respect the individual in order for an insult to hit the mark.

[DeepEnd]

andymadmak said:

rs1952 said:

Not misrepresenting. Quoting the people concerned.

No, really, you are misrepresenting, and changing words. For example the Fox quote you have substituted 'will' for 'should'. It rather changes the meaning

This has been discussed and proven so many times it's difficult to imagine that you are not aware of this

For your interpretation to be what he meant, it would mean his message was “it should be the easiest deal but the politics will get in the way, we’ll end up with a terrible deal and I’ll lose my job”.

Is that what he meant at the time?

The contortions are getting quite remarkable.