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The election campaign literature represents the Lib Dem Party. To have such calculated, cynical falsehoods, such as voting figures heavily massaged to mislead and positive quotes about the Lib Dems from newspapers that are actually quotes of Swinson's own words (!), betrays the whole party not just a sole figure. It's not something Swinson has blurted out, under pressure in heated discussion, it's something that's been considered and has passed muster as fair game amongst a team of people running the campaign.
TheRealNoNeedy said:
james_GTI said:
El stovey said:
Makes sense.
Seems odd that posters here feel so attached to a particular party that they’re constantly making excuses for their leader. I just look around before the election and see who I think might do the best job.
The negativity and cynicism in U.K. politics is so high now that it must be hard for most people to find candidates beyond reproach.
If the election was tomorrow I’d probably vote libdem, if they reveal some terrible policies that I can’t live with, between now and then, I’ll find someone else to vote for.
The Lib Dem liars that agreed to a vote on membership of the EU and who are now saying that they'd totally ignore the result of that vote?Seems odd that posters here feel so attached to a particular party that they’re constantly making excuses for their leader. I just look around before the election and see who I think might do the best job.
The negativity and cynicism in U.K. politics is so high now that it must be hard for most people to find candidates beyond reproach.
If the election was tomorrow I’d probably vote libdem, if they reveal some terrible policies that I can’t live with, between now and then, I’ll find someone else to vote for.
What are you making excuses for Jo Swinson?
Lotusgone said:
To save me reading all 96 pages, has anyone mentioned what this woman is good at or has ever achieved? It's the simplest question, that journalists never seem to ask.
She’s good at being deluded. She really does think she will win the election. Other things she is good at is being the leader of probably the biggest turn coat sell out coalition party in living memory. She’s also good at lying like a b
d. TheRealNoNeedy said:
Bill said:
Randy Winkman said:
Roughly the same in both respects as BJ and Corbyn.
But for some reason the thread has mostly focussed on her looks with a side serving of name calling.To suggest that is just trolling
oyster said:
You’re not one of those shallow types who presumes success is only measured by whether you’ve run a business or whether you’ve climbed the greasy corporate pole are you?
So her "career" or "track record"? Seem like great ways to judge a person's fitness for office.
IIRC she worked at a radio station briefly, then became an MP.
Johnnytheboy said:
Lib Dems' poll numbers are looking a bit weak. Doesn't look like they are going to have quite the election they hoped for.
They shouldn't have vowed to just cancel brexit, looks like the support for that vs a 2nd ref or leaving is not as great as people imagined. Libs will broadly be used for tactical voting rather than their manifesto. They have also turned themselves into a green party by the looks of it, which let's be honest only a small minority of the electorate are bothered enough to cast their vote on that one primaty issue.Johnnytheboy said:
oyster said:
You’re not one of those shallow types who presumes success is only measured by whether you’ve run a business or whether you’ve climbed the greasy corporate pole are you?
So her "career" or "track record"? Seem like great ways to judge a person's fitness for office.
IIRC she worked at a radio station briefly, then became an MP.
Regarding the numerous pages of this thread, how many posts as a % focus on Swinson's appearance? As it happens her policies aren't much to look at which is of course far more relevant. All we have until the election result is published are polls, and she's heading down the chute atm in pretty much all of them.
Not in some London consituencies though, as expected, just overall.
turbobloke said:
All we have until the election result is published are polls, and she's heading down the chute atm in pretty much all of them.
Not in some London consituencies though, as expected, just overall.
I assume(d) the LD's would get some measure of bounce in the South West (where I am) as they were annihilated in 2015, but the South West is strong Leave territory*, so now I'm not so sure. They may get the disaffected Tory remainer vote. Not in some London consituencies though, as expected, just overall.
- Despite a distinct absence of angry northern working class racists.
Sam (ex Tory MP) Gyimah on sky news telling us the libdems are now the party of business. Seems fair enough assuming most U.K. businesses want to remain in the EU.
He argues eloquently about avoiding the extremes and the benefits of a moderate centrist party, like the libdems obviously.
He argues eloquently about avoiding the extremes and the benefits of a moderate centrist party, like the libdems obviously.
El stovey said:
Sam (ex Tory MP) Gyimah on sky news telling us the libdems are now the party of business. Seems fair enough assuming most U.K. businesses want to remain in the EU.
He argues eloquently about avoiding the extremes and the benefits of a moderate centrist party, like the libdems obviously.
Surely they’re all things to all people? He argues eloquently about avoiding the extremes and the benefits of a moderate centrist party, like the libdems obviously.
Just like every other party.
REALIST123 said:
El stovey said:
Sam (ex Tory MP) Gyimah on sky news telling us the libdems are now the party of business. Seems fair enough assuming most U.K. businesses want to remain in the EU.
He argues eloquently about avoiding the extremes and the benefits of a moderate centrist party, like the libdems obviously.
Surely they’re all things to all people? He argues eloquently about avoiding the extremes and the benefits of a moderate centrist party, like the libdems obviously.
Just like every other party.
Bill said:
TheRealNoNeedy said:
In what way has Swinson achieved anywhere near what Boris has?
To suggest that is just trolling
What's he actually achieved? He's an average hack, an average author, average mayor and average foreign sec. To suggest that is just trolling
I see that Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats (TM) (along with the SNP) are in the High Court today challenging ITV's decision not to include them in their forthcoming TV debate, which is currently scheduled to feature just Boris and Jeremy. The TV debate is due to be screened tomorrow evening.
Everything just ends in the courts with that lot doesn't it?
I wonder if their High Court legal costs are counted in amongst their election spending?
I hope they don't win, at this moment the Official Opposition is still Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party (TM) and I'd quite like to hear 45mins of Boris vs Jeremy without wasting time on minority parties. I certainly don't care to hear anything from the SNP, either tedious Blackford or the Kranky.
I'd laugh if they did win and then ITV just pulled the plug on the whole show so they'd wasted their legal time and money again.
Everything just ends in the courts with that lot doesn't it?
I wonder if their High Court legal costs are counted in amongst their election spending?
I hope they don't win, at this moment the Official Opposition is still Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party (TM) and I'd quite like to hear 45mins of Boris vs Jeremy without wasting time on minority parties. I certainly don't care to hear anything from the SNP, either tedious Blackford or the Kranky.
I'd laugh if they did win and then ITV just pulled the plug on the whole show so they'd wasted their legal time and money again.
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