Jo Swinson

[anonymous-user]

tangerine_sedge said:

Bill said:

TheRealNoNeedy said:

In what way has Swinson achieved anywhere near what Boris has?


To suggest that is just trolling

What's he actually achieved? He's an average hack, an average author, average mayor and average foreign sec.

He's a succesful serial fibber and flim-flam merchant - how dare you say he's average! He doesn't even have the average number of children....

He is running the country though, if you’re a politician that is possibly to top job for many? People may not like boris but becoming PM isn’t really synonymous with career failure.

[Johnnytheboy]

crankedup said:

I gave up on the Lib Dem’s a few years back and have taken little interest in them since.

I remember you were quite the Lib Dem at one stage, Crankie

What was it that drove you away from them?

[anonymous-user]

I just cannot take her too seriously. I am not really interested in her looks but I find her very poor and unbelievable in interviews.
I think the Lib Dems policy of becoming a home for the ex Tory/ Labour MP may go against them with some voters.

Having said that they mobilised around the stop Brexit policy and showed Corbyns Labour up to be hesitant

[sugerbear]

Bill said:

TheRealNoNeedy said:

In what way has Swinson achieved anywhere near what Boris has?

To suggest that is just trolling

What's he actually achieved? He's an average hack, an average author, average mayor and average foreign sec.

I think you are overplaying his achievements.

He isn't even an average hack, he just made stuff up. He was sacked. If he wasn't eton educated with the connections that gets you he would never have been heard of again.

I never knew he wrote books but they look like the kind of titles that could quite easily be knocked up by your average A-Level History student. All poor reviews.

Lucky for de Pfeffel was running against someone who was less popular than he was in the Mayoral election. You may see a pattern here - he never runs against anyone that is competent, only were he can be seen to be the least worst option.

[vaud]

sugerbear said:

All poor reviews.

Not true.

https://www.business-standard.com/article/news-cm/...

"flawed but fascinating" is not a poor review (?), and that is from the Guardian, no friend of Boris.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/bookrevi...
4/5... a poor review?

FT: [url]https://www.ft.com/content/f47d7c2a-5943-11e4-9546-00144feab7de[/url
Not glowing, but not a poor review.

HTH. Some of his stuff is very weak, but to say "all poor reviews" is disingenuous.

[turbobloke]

sugerbear said:

Lucky for de Pfeffel was running against someone who was less popular than he was in the Mayoral election. You may see a pattern here - he never runs against anyone that is competent, only were he can be seen to be the least worst option.

Even if so, Corbyn, Swinson and Farage can't even manage to be the least wiorst. That's real achievement.

[crankedup]

Johnnytheboy said:

crankedup said:

I gave up on the Lib Dem’s a few years back and have taken little interest in them since.

I remember you were quite the Lib Dem at one stage, Crankie

What was it that drove you away from them?

Their reversal on the EU membership debacle but more importantly their reversal on students fees.
That was a cynical and disgraceful episode imo, I couldn’t carry a card knowing how the Party has rooked thousands of young people. Tried to excuse them but it was too much,in a nutshell distrust.
Now their stance to reverse the Brexit decision without another referendum is dishonourable imo, no matter which side of the fence one voted.
I was a Labour supporter whilst a spotty youth, switched to Lib Dem’s and now Conservative. Over the past fifty years the political playing field has changed considerably, and it seems I have changed
politically also (my oldest Bro’ is a communist!)

[George Smiley]

El stovey said:

Sam (ex Tory MP) Gyimah on sky news telling us the libdems are now the party of business. Seems fair enough assuming most U.K. businesses want to remain in the EU.

He argues eloquently about avoiding the extremes and the benefits of a moderate centrist party, like the libdems obviously.

Why arent the tories jumping on this by pointing out that businesses "want" europe because of the leagal cheap staff it brings in to remove jobs from our slightly more expensive low skilled workers?

On R4 this morning "business leaders" were suggesting we need to not concentrate on the high skilled/educated immigrants but the low skilled ones. Well our country is awash with people that used to qualify for low skilled labour until the low paid low skilled labour from eastern europe came over and enabled those jobs to become dependant on legalised slave labour.

[Robertj21a]

Quite difficult to see why most thinking people would vote LibDem these days.

[Vanden Saab]

Robertj21a said:

Quite difficult to see why most thinking people would vote LibDem these days.

There is one reason around 10% of them will... As we know from their posts on here most are not 'thinking' people...

[George Smiley]

Vanden Saab said:

Robertj21a said:

Quite difficult to see why most thinking people would vote LibDem these days.

There is one reason around 10% of them will... As we know from their posts on here most are not 'thinking' people...

Thats not fair to say. People having different political views does not make them less thinking. The only real alternative to Tories is LibDem, I respect a party that suggests that they would raise tax to pay for the spend. But it is the remain stance I cannot agree with.

[Bill]

sugerbear said:

I think you are overplaying his achievements.

[turbobloke]

Bill said:

sugerbear said:

I think you are overplaying his achievements.

I don't think that, even if true, it will make any difference to the election result

Did we ever get that long list of Swinson's commanding achievements?

[Vanden Saab]

George Smiley said:

Vanden Saab said:

Robertj21a said:

Quite difficult to see why most thinking people would vote LibDem these days.

There is one reason around 10% of them will... As we know from their posts on here most are not 'thinking' people...

Thats not fair to say. People having different political views does not make them less thinking. The only real alternative to Tories is LibDem, I respect a party that suggests that they would raise tax to pay for the spend. But it is the remain stance I cannot agree with.

May be I did not make my point properly. AFAICS the only people who will vote for the lib Dems in this election are those who want brexit reversed without a second ref. While as a former lib dem voter I agreed in the past with many of their policies for myself and I would hope almost all thinking people the consequences of cancelling brexit and the fallout from it makes it impossible to vote for them. Suggesting that they are a centrist party with that policy in their manifesto is laughable...

[JagLover]

George Smiley said:

On R4 this morning "business leaders" were suggesting we need to not concentrate on the high skilled/educated immigrants but the low skilled ones. Well our country is awash with people that used to qualify for low skilled labour until the low paid low skilled labour from eastern europe came over and enabled those jobs to become dependant on legalised slave labour.

and many of those low skilled workers who are still needed can be brought in under schemes such as the old Seasonal Agricultural Workers scheme.

Strangely enough business don't seem that keen on such an idea, no doubt because they are designed to ensure that the worker brought in is funded solely by the employer and are not having their earnings topped up by the state.

[sugerbear]

Robertj21a said:

Quite difficult to see why most thinking people would vote LibDem these days.

Labour and the conservatives want to leave the EU.

If you are pro-leave there is very little reason to vote Lib Dem, I agree with you on that.

[sugerbear]

turbobloke said:

Bill said:

sugerbear said:

I think you are overplaying his achievements.

I don't think that, even if true, it will make any difference to the election result

Did we ever get that long list of Swinson's commanding achievements?

We left the EU on the 31st of October didn't we? Johhson delivers again !!... Bridge over the Thames.. Water Cannons.. Undeclared relationship with JA and some dodgy Grants.. Russian report hidden away in case it comprises the parties donor or worse..

You can read more about his successes here https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bor...

I don't think Jo Swinson can hold a candle to those achievements.

[George Smiley]

sugerbear said:

turbobloke said:

Bill said:

sugerbear said:

I think you are overplaying his achievements.

I don't think that, even if true, it will make any difference to the election result

Did we ever get that long list of Swinson's commanding achievements?

We left the EU on the 31st of October didn't we? Johhson delivers again !!... Bridge over the Thames.. Water Cannons.. Undeclared relationship with JA and some dodgy Grants.. Russian report hidden away in case it comprises the parties donor or worse..

You can read more about his successes here https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bor...

I don't think Jo Swinson can hold a candle to those achievements.

I dont think Jo Swinson would know which way up to hold a burning candle.

[dandarez]

oyster said:

TheRealNoNeedy said:

Bill said:

Randy Winkman said:

Roughly the same in both respects as BJ and Corbyn.

But for some reason the thread has mostly focussed on her looks with a side serving of name calling.

In what way has Swinson achieved anywhere near what Boris has?


To suggest that is just trolling

You’re not one of those shallow types who presumes success is only measured by whether you’ve run a business or whether you’ve climbed the greasy corporate pole are you?

I think you need to come out of your 'shell'

Thought I'd look back in here as I've just spoken with one of Swinson's 'foot soldiers'.

I'm working away up here in the study and I see light flash - boing! boing!.
Rush downstairs and open door - oh gawd no! A Lib-Dum canvasser.

'Look before you say anything, I've had lots of election stuff so...'
Dum interrupts 'That's good, and have you made a decision yet?'
I tell him that to-date I've had nothing, only their Lib-'Dem' (being courteous ) paraphernalia - nothing from any other party, at all.
'You seem to spend a lot of money don't you?' I asked.
We had a pointless chat for a couple mins about their bottomless pit of money, then he asked about my 'bell'.

He said he wasn't sure if it was a bell or not, and asked how does it work?'
I told him he was not alone - it's why I'd stuck that scribbled sticker 'bell' above it and because we were getting fed up with people who bang on our nice new glass panel door frontage.
I'll put a proper sign up when I get a mo.

I tell him it's Wi-Fi.
He was half my age and I could see his brain trying to fathom it all out. He said, 'oh, ok.'
I waived him good luck on his journey.

I thought to myself, do people really want to vote for these people? Dum, eh?

[bitchstewie]

Vanden Saab said:

May be I did not make my point properly. AFAICS the only people who will vote for the lib Dems in this election are those who want brexit reversed without a second ref. While as a former lib dem voter I agreed in the past with many of their policies for myself and I would hope almost all thinking people the consequences of cancelling brexit and the fallout from it makes it impossible to vote for them. Suggesting that they are a centrist party with that policy in their manifesto is laughable...

Or voting for Boris or Corbyn is unpalatable.

You could say the same with voting Green or pretty much anything other than Boris or Corbyn if the assumption, and it's a fair one, is that one of them will be Prime Minister anyway.

But at some point holding your nose just doesn't cut it.