Jo Swinson

[Thorodin]

The trouble with.....it always starts with that...Jo S, is her amateur enthusiasm.

She will appeal to all those other amateurs and the naivete also-rans as an alternative to the established parties so producing a completely negative vote and a hopeless anti movement. The number of the disaffected experienced, and the troublesome, objectors who have switched parties in a mock exodus will draw volume from the main line parties and highlight their own shortcomings so weakening the result. Some of them have switched between two or three new homes in three months. All those scrubbed fresh faces, sandals and plaintive bleating are going to be discouraged and looking around again in the near future. And with not one principle between them.

[kev1974]

Good, the High Court has ruled that the ITV Leader's Debate tomorrow can go ahead without Swinson or the SNP.

[oyster]

George Smiley said:

El stovey said:

Sam (ex Tory MP) Gyimah on sky news telling us the libdems are now the party of business. Seems fair enough assuming most U.K. businesses want to remain in the EU.

He argues eloquently about avoiding the extremes and the benefits of a moderate centrist party, like the libdems obviously.

Why arent the tories jumping on this by pointing out that businesses "want" europe because of the leagal cheap staff it brings in to remove jobs from our slightly more expensive low skilled workers?

On R4 this morning "business leaders" were suggesting we need to not concentrate on the high skilled/educated immigrants but the low skilled ones. Well our country is awash with people that used to qualify for low skilled labour until the low paid low skilled labour from eastern europe came over and enabled those jobs to become dependant on legalised slave labour.

Got to pick you up on this.
If we're awash with people to do low-skilled labour....
1. Where are they?
2. Do they really want to give up their benefits in place of work?
3. Why would employers rather bring in non-English speaking immigrants to do the work rather than English-speaking locals?

[turbobloke]

kev1974 said:

Good, the High Court has ruled that the ITV Leader's Debate tomorrow can go ahead without Swinson or the SNP.

Even if there's leave to appeal available it may not happen in time.

[Pan Pan Pan]

sugerbear said:

turbobloke said:

Bill said:

sugerbear said:

I think you are overplaying his achievements.

I don't think that, even if true, it will make any difference to the election result

Did we ever get that long list of Swinson's commanding achievements?

We left the EU on the 31st of October didn't we? Johhson delivers again !!... Bridge over the Thames.. Water Cannons.. Undeclared relationship with JA and some dodgy Grants.. Russian report hidden away in case it comprises the parties donor or worse..

You can read more about his successes here https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bor...

I don't think Jo Swinson can hold a candle to those achievements.

Just like Johnson you could make promises, even a very simple one, like promising to cross the road outside your house, but if three hundred people who don't want yo to cross that road, stand in the way and stop you from doing so, who is to blame for the broken promise?

[WCZ]

Robertj21a said:

Quite difficult to see why most thinking people would vote LibDem these days.

they are the only anti-brexit party, labour are wild and many are still annoyed at the incompetence of the conservatives over the last couple of years + the police and nhs have been st under them

[Pan Pan Pan]

WCZ said:

Robertj21a said:

Quite difficult to see why most thinking people would vote LibDem these days.

they are the only anti-brexit party, labour are wild and many are still annoyed at the incompetence of the conservatives over the last couple of years + the police and nhs have been st under them

When labour allowed the UK population to soar by over 3.3 million in just ten years from the EU alone, let alone the rest of the world, it can hardly be a surprise, if the NHS, (not forgetting the demand for housing, and congestion on the roads) has been struggling to cope since the tories got in.

[chrispmartha]

Pan Pan Pan said:

sugerbear said:

turbobloke said:

Bill said:

sugerbear said:

I think you are overplaying his achievements.

I don't think that, even if true, it will make any difference to the election result

Did we ever get that long list of Swinson's commanding achievements?

We left the EU on the 31st of October didn't we? Johhson delivers again !!... Bridge over the Thames.. Water Cannons.. Undeclared relationship with JA and some dodgy Grants.. Russian report hidden away in case it comprises the parties donor or worse..

You can read more about his successes here https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bor...

I don't think Jo Swinson can hold a candle to those achievements.

Just like Johnson you could make promises, even a very simple one, like promising to cross the road outside your house, but if three hundred people who don't want yo to cross that road, stand in the way and stop you from doing so, who is to blame for the broken promise?

‘Come what may’ was the lie

Or are you now admitting that if you have promised something but it turns out to be a bad idea it’s good to change your mind?

[kev1974]

WCZ said:

Robertj21a said:

Quite difficult to see why most thinking people would vote LibDem these days.

they are the only anti-brexit party, labour are wild and many are still annoyed at the incompetence of the conservatives over the last couple of years + the police and nhs have been st under them

It's a General Election though, not a "single issue" Brexit Referendum II. You're stuck with who wins your seat for five years. So better vote for someone who's got workable policies going beyond just "Leave" or "Remain" and who's going to be able to fix things in your seat that aren't just "Stop Brexit!!!!!". Lib Dems were just clueless last time they were anywhere near power.

[Pan Pan Pan]

chrispmartha said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

sugerbear said:

turbobloke said:

Bill said:

sugerbear said:

I think you are overplaying his achievements.

I don't think that, even if true, it will make any difference to the election result

Did we ever get that long list of Swinson's commanding achievements?

We left the EU on the 31st of October didn't we? Johhson delivers again !!... Bridge over the Thames.. Water Cannons.. Undeclared relationship with JA and some dodgy Grants.. Russian report hidden away in case it comprises the parties donor or worse..

You can read more about his successes here https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bor...

I don't think Jo Swinson can hold a candle to those achievements.

Just like Johnson you could make promises, even a very simple one, like promising to cross the road outside your house, but if three hundred people who don't want yo to cross that road, stand in the way and stop you from doing so, who is to blame for the broken promise?

‘Come what may’ was the lie

Or are you now admitting that if you have promised something but it turns out to be a bad idea it’s good to change your mind?

If it is proven to be a bad idea, then yes a change of course could be a good thing, No one has yet proven that it is a bad idea, Only those who don't like Brexit really think it is a bad idea, but that of course is to be expected.

[Burwood]

turbobloke said:

kev1974 said:

Good, the High Court has ruled that the ITV Leader's Debate tomorrow can go ahead without Swinson or the SNP.

Even if there's leave to appeal available it may not happen in time.

Big surprise, that result. What an arrogant waste of time and money.

[turbobloke]

Burwood said:

turbobloke said:

kev1974 said:

Good, the High Court has ruled that the ITV Leader's Debate tomorrow can go ahead without Swinson or the SNP.

Even if there's leave to appeal available it may not happen in time.

Big surprise, that result. What an arrogant waste of time and money.

JC has progressed beyond his first faltering steps in PMQs and is now reasonably pugilistic.

Boris had better prepare well and not under-estimate his foe on entering the arena.

There was no need of Swinson or Sturgeon. Bit part players would have ruined it.

[Burwood]

turbobloke said:

Burwood said:

turbobloke said:

kev1974 said:

Good, the High Court has ruled that the ITV Leader's Debate tomorrow can go ahead without Swinson or the SNP.

Even if there's leave to appeal available it may not happen in time.

Big surprise, that result. What an arrogant waste of time and money.

JC has progressed beyond his first faltering steps in PMQs and is now reasonably pugilistic.

Boris had better prepare well and not under-estimate his foe on entering the arena.

There was no need of Swinson or Sturgeon. Bit part players would have ruined it.

Richard Dawkins no longer debates theologians or youth earth creationists. It just gives them a platform to spout nonsense. Very similar reasoning at play. Cranky would just parrot independence and Swinson would just make stuff up which seems to be their modus operandi

[bitchstewie]

kev1974 said:

Good, the High Court has ruled that the ITV Leader's Debate tomorrow can go ahead without Swinson or the SNP.

Which is why we have courts.

I can see why they'd bring the case, and having read some of the judgement I can see why the court rejected it.

[anonymous-user]

WCZ said:

Robertj21a said:

Quite difficult to see why most thinking people would vote LibDem these days.

they are the only anti-brexit party, labour are wild and many are still annoyed at the incompetence of the conservatives over the last couple of years + the police and nhs have been st under them

I think many are still annoyed about the utter incompetence of each and every party over the last couple of years.

[Lotusgone]

kev1974 said:

Good, the High Court has ruled that the ITV Leader's Debate tomorrow can go ahead without Swinson or the SNP.

What a ludicrous decision. Clearly the judges were mislead and did not know what they were doing.

[A Winner Is You]

Lotusgone said:

kev1974 said:

Good, the High Court has ruled that the ITV Leader's Debate tomorrow can go ahead without Swinson or the SNP.

What a ludicrous decision. Clearly the judges were mislead and did not know what they were doing.

I think we need a People's Judgement to check that this is the direction they want to proceed. After all, what's wrong with extra judiciary?

[gifdy]

dandarez said:

oyster said:

TheRealNoNeedy said:

Bill said:

Randy Winkman said:

Roughly the same in both respects as BJ and Corbyn.

But for some reason the thread has mostly focussed on her looks with a side serving of name calling.

In what way has Swinson achieved anywhere near what Boris has?


To suggest that is just trolling

You’re not one of those shallow types who presumes success is only measured by whether you’ve run a business or whether you’ve climbed the greasy corporate pole are you?

I think you need to come out of your 'shell'

Thought I'd look back in here as I've just spoken with one of Swinson's 'foot soldiers'.

I'm working away up here in the study and I see light flash - boing! boing!.
Rush downstairs and open door - oh gawd no! A Lib-Dum canvasser.

'Look before you say anything, I've had lots of election stuff so...'
Dum interrupts 'That's good, and have you made a decision yet?'
I tell him that to-date I've had nothing, only their Lib-'Dem' (being courteous ) paraphernalia - nothing from any other party, at all.
'You seem to spend a lot of money don't you?' I asked.
We had a pointless chat for a couple mins about their bottomless pit of money, then he asked about my 'bell'.

He said he wasn't sure if it was a bell or not, and asked how does it work?'
I told him he was not alone - it's why I'd stuck that scribbled sticker 'bell' above it and because we were getting fed up with people who bang on our nice new glass panel door frontage.
I'll put a proper sign up when I get a mo.

I tell him it's Wi-Fi.
He was half my age and I could see his brain trying to fathom it all out. He said, 'oh, ok.'
I waived him good luck on his journey.

I thought to myself, do people really want to vote for these people? Dum, eh?

Never mind all that. Tell me more about the bell. I need one

[IanH755]

A Winner Is You said:

Lotusgone said:

kev1974 said:

Good, the High Court has ruled that the ITV Leader's Debate tomorrow can go ahead without Swinson or the SNP.

What a ludicrous decision. Clearly the judges were mislead and did not know what they were doing.

I think we need a People's Judgement to check that this is the direction they want to proceed. After all, what's wrong with extra judiciary?

I'm surprised that the Lib Dems didn't stick to their current form by telling everyone to ignore that decision because the Lib Dem's didn't like it and if people vote for them they'll keep redoing that court case until those Judges finally make the "correct" decision

[Bill]

I'm confused. Does this mean the courts aren't full of establishment remainers?



Or are they just letting BoJo and Corbyn show themselves up as the clowns they are so the LDs can clean up??