Discussion
Burwood said:
A Winner Is You said:
Gender neutral uniforms and passport marked X. Political suicide. Well donechrispmartha said:
I haven’t actually defended Swinson on the fact she voted for that 9 times either, My comments were solely about how the interview came across ;-)
Unfortunately it’s utterly irrelevant as the Lib Dems blew this election a long time ago.
I'll admit I am biased; I'll be voting Conservative this time around. But, I thought Jo Swinson on a purely personal level came across as a fairly normal human being. She didn't seem to be telling lies, didn't look shifty, didn't keep whining "but Aaaaaaandrew...." unlike Corbyn, and seemed to be trying to actually answer the question put to her.Unfortunately it’s utterly irrelevant as the Lib Dems blew this election a long time ago.
However, she's toxic because of her past role in the coalition, and she is inexperienced as a leader and it shows.
I agree that the Lib Dems have blown it, if the polls are any guide, and they have only themselves to blame for that. Expect a leadership challenge in 2020, however much JS wishes to continue.
Brave Fart said:
I'll admit I am biased; I'll be voting Conservative this time around. But, I thought Jo Swinson on a purely personal level came across as a fairly normal human being. She didn't seem to be telling lies, didn't look shifty, didn't keep whining "but Aaaaaaandrew...." unlike Corbyn, and seemed to be trying to actually answer the question put to her.
However, she's toxic because of her past role in the coalition, and she is inexperienced as a leader and it shows.
I agree that the Lib Dems have blown it, if the polls are any guide, and they have only themselves to blame for that. Expect a leadership challenge in 2020, however much JS wishes to continue.
I think it is odd that the LDs have blown it. The conservatives have remained largely in the centre-right - yes there is a load of frothing about them being akin to EDL, but fiscally and politically they are right of centre. However, she's toxic because of her past role in the coalition, and she is inexperienced as a leader and it shows.
I agree that the Lib Dems have blown it, if the polls are any guide, and they have only themselves to blame for that. Expect a leadership challenge in 2020, however much JS wishes to continue.
Labour have moved from left of centre to bats
t crazy Marxists. Lots of people on here (including myself) lament the loss of a sensible and credible opposition. The LDs remain left of centre with some questionable policies, but they’re not generally mad. Yet they’ve made little or no progress. All very odd.
Brave Fart said:
chrispmartha said:
I haven’t actually defended Swinson on the fact she voted for that 9 times either, My comments were solely about how the interview came across ;-)
Unfortunately it’s utterly irrelevant as the Lib Dems blew this election a long time ago.
I'll admit I am biased; I'll be voting Conservative this time around. But, I thought Jo Swinson on a purely personal level came across as a fairly normal human being. She didn't seem to be telling lies, didn't look shifty, didn't keep whining "but Aaaaaaandrew...." unlike Corbyn, and seemed to be trying to actually answer the question put to her.Unfortunately it’s utterly irrelevant as the Lib Dems blew this election a long time ago.
However, she's toxic because of her past role in the coalition, and she is inexperienced as a leader and it shows.
I agree that the Lib Dems have blown it, if the polls are any guide, and they have only themselves to blame for that. Expect a leadership challenge in 2020, however much JS wishes to continue.
rxe said:
Brave Fart said:
I'll admit I am biased; I'll be voting Conservative this time around. But, I thought Jo Swinson on a purely personal level came across as a fairly normal human being. She didn't seem to be telling lies, didn't look shifty, didn't keep whining "but Aaaaaaandrew...." unlike Corbyn, and seemed to be trying to actually answer the question put to her.
However, she's toxic because of her past role in the coalition, and she is inexperienced as a leader and it shows.
I agree that the Lib Dems have blown it, if the polls are any guide, and they have only themselves to blame for that. Expect a leadership challenge in 2020, however much JS wishes to continue.
I think it is odd that the LDs have blown it. The conservatives have remained largely in the centre-right - yes there is a load of frothing about them being akin to EDL, but fiscally and politically they are right of centre. However, she's toxic because of her past role in the coalition, and she is inexperienced as a leader and it shows.
I agree that the Lib Dems have blown it, if the polls are any guide, and they have only themselves to blame for that. Expect a leadership challenge in 2020, however much JS wishes to continue.
Labour have moved from left of centre to bats
t crazy Marxists. Lots of people on here (including myself) lament the loss of a sensible and credible opposition. The LDs remain left of centre with some questionable policies, but they’re not generally mad. Yet they’ve made little or no progress. All very odd.
I am really stuck at the moment choosing who will get my vote
chrispmartha said:
funkyrobot said:
You are proposing to scrap the bedroom tax?
Yes.
Who voted nine times for the bedroom tax?
Errrrrm, me.
Holy st. She is terrible.
Except she didn't just say erm, me did she, she said it was a mistake yet AN kept pushing the same line of questioning and she calmly answered him. I think AN was thinking it was some big 'gotcha' moment but it really wasn't.Yes.
Who voted nine times for the bedroom tax?
Errrrrm, me.
Holy s
t. She is terrible.Personal bias will probably reflect how we see these interviews but it was in no way the car crash some on here will make out, IMHO.
I'm actually really disappointed with how the Lib Dems have campaigned as I think it's been an opportunity missed by them.
chrispmartha said:
rxe said:
Brave Fart said:
I'll admit I am biased; I'll be voting Conservative this time around. But, I thought Jo Swinson on a purely personal level came across as a fairly normal human being. She didn't seem to be telling lies, didn't look shifty, didn't keep whining "but Aaaaaaandrew...." unlike Corbyn, and seemed to be trying to actually answer the question put to her.
However, she's toxic because of her past role in the coalition, and she is inexperienced as a leader and it shows.
I agree that the Lib Dems have blown it, if the polls are any guide, and they have only themselves to blame for that. Expect a leadership challenge in 2020, however much JS wishes to continue.
I think it is odd that the LDs have blown it. The conservatives have remained largely in the centre-right - yes there is a load of frothing about them being akin to EDL, but fiscally and politically they are right of centre. However, she's toxic because of her past role in the coalition, and she is inexperienced as a leader and it shows.
I agree that the Lib Dems have blown it, if the polls are any guide, and they have only themselves to blame for that. Expect a leadership challenge in 2020, however much JS wishes to continue.
Labour have moved from left of centre to bats
t crazy Marxists. Lots of people on here (including myself) lament the loss of a sensible and credible opposition. The LDs remain left of centre with some questionable policies, but they’re not generally mad. Yet they’ve made little or no progress. All very odd.
I am really stuck at the moment choosing who will get my vote
chrispmartha said:
As much as I think Brexit is a stupid Idea I think LDs revoke Article 50 policy was too much for some, if they had have gone with Labours second vote policy I think they might have made more traction.
I am really stuck at the moment choosing who will get my vote
Fair comments. With hindsight perhaps the LD's needed a leader, and people around the leader, who were not part of the Con/Lib coalition. Then argued for a confirmatory referendum of some sort. And put forward a package of sensible investment funded by reasonable borrowing at low interest rates.I am really stuck at the moment choosing who will get my vote
I believe that the "centre ground + new forward thinking leader" is where the real votes lie, and this election was a great opportunity missed.
deadslow said:
chrispmartha said:
funkyrobot said:
You are proposing to scrap the bedroom tax?
Yes.
Who voted nine times for the bedroom tax?
Errrrrm, me.
Holy st. She is terrible.
Except she didn't just say erm, me did she, she said it was a mistake yet AN kept pushing the same line of questioning and she calmly answered him. I think AN was thinking it was some big 'gotcha' moment but it really wasn't.Yes.
Who voted nine times for the bedroom tax?
Errrrrm, me.
Holy s
t. She is terrible.Personal bias will probably reflect how we see these interviews but it was in no way the car crash some on here will make out, IMHO.
I'm actually really disappointed with how the Lib Dems have campaigned as I think it's been an opportunity missed by them.
I’m no particular fan of Jo Swinson or the Lib Dems generally, but I thought she did ok. Gave some considered answers, didn’t lose her temper, apologised for a few things, etc.
Overall she came across as a professional, intelligent and grown up. Far, far better than Corbyn who simply revealed himself to be a thick, angry and generally loathsome individual.
Overall she came across as a professional, intelligent and grown up. Far, far better than Corbyn who simply revealed himself to be a thick, angry and generally loathsome individual.
Andy 308GTB said:
chrispmartha said:
rxe said:
Brave Fart said:
I'll admit I am biased; I'll be voting Conservative this time around. But, I thought Jo Swinson on a purely personal level came across as a fairly normal human being. She didn't seem to be telling lies, didn't look shifty, didn't keep whining "but Aaaaaaandrew...." unlike Corbyn, and seemed to be trying to actually answer the question put to her.
However, she's toxic because of her past role in the coalition, and she is inexperienced as a leader and it shows.
I agree that the Lib Dems have blown it, if the polls are any guide, and they have only themselves to blame for that. Expect a leadership challenge in 2020, however much JS wishes to continue.
I think it is odd that the LDs have blown it. The conservatives have remained largely in the centre-right - yes there is a load of frothing about them being akin to EDL, but fiscally and politically they are right of centre. However, she's toxic because of her past role in the coalition, and she is inexperienced as a leader and it shows.
I agree that the Lib Dems have blown it, if the polls are any guide, and they have only themselves to blame for that. Expect a leadership challenge in 2020, however much JS wishes to continue.
Labour have moved from left of centre to bats
t crazy Marxists. Lots of people on here (including myself) lament the loss of a sensible and credible opposition. The LDs remain left of centre with some questionable policies, but they’re not generally mad. Yet they’ve made little or no progress. All very odd.
I am really stuck at the moment choosing who will get my vote
I am not a LibDem voter nor ever likely to be. I have voted Liberal - once , however. Sinson came over to me in the AN interview as a very 'green' as in naive young woman, but sincere and enthusiastic about her cause. She appears like a twenty year old in her energy, and completely straight. However she is seriously misguided politically and does not deserve to be PM at least not for a decade or two when she'll have wised up a bit. Sadly she will probably have become cynical and disingenuous by that time too. She did well IMHO.
motco said:
I am not a LibDem voter nor ever likely to be. I have voted Liberal - once , however. Sinson came over to me in the AN interview as a very 'green' as in naive young woman, but sincere and enthusiastic about her cause. She appears like a twenty year old in her energy, and completely straight. However she is seriously misguided politically and does not deserve to be PM at least not for a decade or two when she'll have wised up a bit. Sadly she will probably have become cynical and disingenuous by that time too. She did well IMHO.
I thought she stuck to her message rather well, which is 'Brexit is bad' and needs to be stopped by any and all means, that in all honesty is the only message the LibDems can try to sell to the electorate. The earlier campaign nonsense that they tried making a case that she would be PM was just plain naive.The key moment of the AN interview was, for me, when she was asked on what basis the LibDems would rejoin the EU in the future. With much bluster about the UK currently being at the heart of the EU and we have the best deal at the moment (ignoring the 2016 ref, obs), she had no serious answer how to sell the real deal of being a full member which must of course include being in the Eurozone, Shengen, etc., that being part of the 'inner circle' of any club will require, and she simply wants us to believe we can rejoin and continue under the same terms without the full integration that is so evidently necessary.
MC Bodge said:
Hello, is this the bitter old men thread?
No, they can be found here:https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/default.asp?h=...
Robertj21a said:
She comes over as very determined, and anxious to please, but doesn't appear to have any real depth of knowledge and seems terribly naive. Out of her depth and just burying the LibDems in the process.
That's because their party has nothing new to offer other than stop brexit. I wouldn't say determined. I would suggest desperate, hence the constant deceit and fakery. Burwood said:
That's because their party has nothing new to offer other than stop brexit. I wouldn't say determined. I would suggest desperate, hence the constant deceit and fakery.
A summary of The Lib Dem Manifesto: 👩🚒 £50bn Remain Bonus for public services
🌍 Policy for Climate Emergency
⚖ Policy for tackling inequality
💰 10bn per year for schools, to pay for:
👩🏫 20,000 more teachers.
👶 35hrs of free childcare from 9 months
📚 £10,000 for every adult to spend on education or training
🧠 Mental health treated the same as physical health
🏡 Build 300,000 homes a year
👩⚕️ 1p on income tax for NHS
🗨 Restore Youth Services
👋 Ban all non-essential non-recyclable single-use plastics
💫 80% of electricity from renewables by 2030
🧣 Insulate all low-income homes by 2025
0️⃣ Net zero carbon emissions by 2045 (reasonable & radical)
✂ Cut carbon emissions by 75% by 2030
👍 Restore Department for Climate Change
🌳 New Green Investment Bank
🗣 Citizens’ Climate Assembly
🤲 Just Transition Commission to make economic changes fair
🚫 Ban fracking
🗜 Invest in Carbon Capture Technology
💡 Subsidise solar power
🌬 End ban on onshore wind turbines
0️⃣ Zero-carbon Homes Standard
🔥 Reduce fuel poverty
⛽ Ban new petrol and diesel cars from 2030
🔋 Reduce VAT on electric cars
🚆 Convert rail network to ultra-low emission by 2035
🛤 Expand rail capacity
🛬 No net-increase in airport runways
🛫 Cancel Heathrow 3rd runway
👨🌾 Support farmers to cut greenhouse gasses
🌱 Plant 60m trees per year
🦋 Policy to improve biodiversity and restore nature
👩🌾 Reward farmers for contributing to nature
🌫 Pass Clean Air Act
🔌 More electric car charging points
🚙 Scrappage Scheme for diesel cars
🚌 Innovative National Bus Strategy
🚅 Support HS2 and HS3 to grow regional economies
✔ Increase accountability and transparency of HS2 and HS3
🛍 Force retailers to reduce plastic
🧴 Deposit return scheme for food and drink containers
♻ End plastic waste exports by 2030
♻ Invest in UK recycling
🚸 Extra funding for pupils with extra needs
👱♀️ Extend pupil premium to 16-19yrs
⚠ Reduce teacher stress and workload
📝 End ‘teaching to the test’
✍ Scrap SATs and league tables
👓 Replace Ofsted with schools watchdog
🏫 Emergency 2.5bn cash injection for schools
💰 Bring per-pupil funding back to pre-cuts levels
💷 Increase starting salary for teachers to £30k by 2022
🧰 Invest in and repair school buildings
🔝 Extra funding for SEND children
🗑 Abolish ‘learning tax’ by allowing colleges VAT-refund that schools get
🗒 Professional Development Plan for teachers offering 50-hours per year by 2050
🏫 Oppose expansion of Grammar Schools
🌟 Mental health and other ‘curriculum for life’ education in schools
💼 Establish a curriculum body independent of government
🥦 Free school meals for all Primary children
🌽 Free school meals for Secondary children in Universal Credit families
🥐 Promote School Breakfast Clubs
🌈 LGBTQ-inclusive education
⛅ Support schools in dealing with mental health
⏹ Tackle bullying in schools
😐 Including bullying on the basis of gender, sexuality, gender identity or gender expression
👕 Enable gender-neutral uniform options
👂 Invest in more Youth Workers
🏥 Reverse cuts to public health spending
🩺 Commission on long-term NHS funding
💊 Roll out PrEP (HIV prevention drugs) across the NHS
💲 Dedicated Health & Social Care Tax
💷 Investment in hospitals from £100bn capital fund
🧕 100% of young people with mental health conditions treated target
💊 Free prescriptions for chronic mental health conditions
⏳ More mental health waiting time targets
🧭 No unreasonable travel for mental health treatment
🧸 Prioritise getting young people out of care
🧘 Mental health provisions at College and University
📁 Implement Wessely review (requires a google)
🛏 Ensure emergency mental health bed is always available
🤧 Expand access to Local GPs
📲 Guarantee same-day phone of video appointment with GP
💷 Mental health nurse bursaries
🩹 Drugs as a health issue not crime
👨⚕️ End Government £30k earnings threshold for overseas NHS workers
👩⚕️ More flexible working for Junior Doctors
⚕ Mental health support for NHS workers
🥗 Make healthy eating choices easier
🛡 Introduce ‘Wellbeing Hour’
🤰Every family single maternity health professional by 2025
🤱 Partners paid leave to attend prenatal appointments
🧱 Investment in People, Innovation & Infrastructure with responsible £100bn package
🏦 £5bn into new British Housing & Infrastructure Development Bank
🧪 Protect research funding
🏛 Decentralise and devolve procurement
🏗 Invest in digital and physical infrastructure
🏞 Achieve dynamic local economies with good transport
🏦 Expand British Business Bank
🗺 Re-balance UK economy geographically
📃 Make Youth Services statutory
🔪 Policy to tackle knife crime
👩💻 Fund retraining and re-skilling for adults
👩💼 ‘Start-up allowance’ of £100/wk for new entrepreneurs
🚨 £1bn community policing investment
👮 2 new police officers per ward
👮♂️ Police officers visible and known to local community
⚔ Tackle cycle of violence epidemic
👦 £500m investment in Youth Services
🛡 Transform prisons to focus on rehabilitation and recovery
🔚 End prison sentences for personal drug use
🔚 End short prison sentences
🔗 Increase tough community sentences
🚓 Protect Europol
❄ Scrap Hostile Environment
🔒 Create private information firewall between home office and public services
👩🏫 ‘Training up Britain’ programme for migrants
🔚 Stop the profiting from child citizen registration
❎ Abolish arbitrary minimum income for partner visas
🛂 Move visa powers from Home Office to Deps for Education and Business and Development
🧳 Create flexible merit-based visa system
🎓 2-year visa for students after graduation
👩🔧 Allow asylum seekers to work providing dignity and paying taxes
❌ Close seven of nine detention centres
🙂 Resettle 10,000 refugees per year in the UK
👨👩👧👦 Expand family reunion rights
🛡 Offer asylum to LGBT+ globally
💬 Free basic English lessons to refugees and asylum seekers
🇪🇺 Protect free movement in Europe by staying in EU
🔑 100,000 social rent homes built each year
🏘 All new houses built to zero carbon standards by 2021
🗾 Allow local authorities to purchase more land for housing
🏭 Power to reject unsustainable housing builds
🌼 Creation of new Garden Cities
🏛 Acquire more land into public ownership
➰ Close second-home tax loopholes
➕ Increase second-home council tax by up to 500%
🗝 Introduce revolutionary Rent to Own model
🛋 ‘Help to Rent’ deposit loans for first time renters
📋 Longer rental tenancies 3yr+
📈 Limit rent hikes to inflation
📖 Mandatory landlord licensing
🏠 Unfreeze housing benefits
📄 Reform section 21 removing ‘no fault evictions’
🛏 Adequate funding for age-appropriate emergency housing for homeless
🏠 Provide house to long term homeless through Housing First model
📅 First benefit payment after 5-days not 5-weeks
🔚 Scrap 2-child benefit limit
✖ Abolish scandalous rape clause for benefits
✳ Remove benefit cap, which hurts the most vulnerable
✅ Make work pay: increase work benefit allowances
📃 Provide security for zero-hour contracts
👩 Compensation for WASPI women
🛠 Better pensions for gig economy workers
🔒 Retain Triple Lock on basic state pension
✳ Better Universal Credit for self employed
👨🏭 Better back-to-work support for unemployed
👵 Ensure pensions don’t penalise part time workers towards end of career
🌐 Promote liberal values, human rights and democracy globally
🤝 Lead globally with EU, UN, Nato and Commonwealth
⛑ Spend 0.7% of gross national income on foreign aid
🌍 Promote UN Sustainable Development Goals
🛑 Curtail arms exports to those that violate human rights
🛑 Suspend arms sales to Saudi Arabia immediately
🗳 Tackle democratic interference with European Magnitsky Act
☢ Maintain minimal nuclear deterrent
✔ Spend 2% of GDP on self defence as per NATO recommendations
🩹 Support for Armed Forces and veterans’ mental health
🏘 Improve housing for MoD employees
🇮🇱🇵🇸 Condemn violence an all sides of Israeli-Palestine conflict
🇵🇸🇮🇱 Remain committed to negotiated peace settlement in Israeli-Palestine conflict
⚖ Tackle gender inequality
♂ End Female Genital Mutilation
❌ End sexual violence in conflict zones
🏳️🌈 Protect LGBT+ that are persecuted globally
📜 Defend Human Rights Act
📹 Halt facial recognition surveillance
🖥 End ‘Snoopers’ Charter’ and bulk collection of internet data
🗽 Make all hate crimes “aggravated offences”
🙊 Condemn inflammatory rhetoric by those with public platforms
💗 Combat violence against women and domestic violence
✔ Legislate for statutory definition of domestic abuse
💛 Expand refugee and rape crisis centres
🛌 Give LA’s duty and funding to accommodate survivors of abuse
📞 Establish National Rape Crisis Helpline
🏢 Require orgs with 250+ employees publish equality data
🗓 Increase paternity leave to six weeks
🏷 Legislate to scrap gender price gap on all products
👩⚖️ Set ambitious diverse public appointment targets
🔍 End disproportionate use of Stop and Search
🩸 End period poverty with free sanitary products for girls
🏳️🌈 Fight for Trans rights
🧑 Complete reform of the Gender Recognition Act
✔ Introduce ‘X’ gender option on passports
🎗 Extend equality law to cover gender identity and expression
🗳 Introduce fair votes via Proportional Representation
📜 A written constitution to make democracy stronger
🗳 Give people the power to elect the House of Lords
📢 Votes from age 16
🇬🇧 Votes to British citizens abroad
🇪🇺 Votes for long-term EU citizens
📍 Devolve power to local authorities
🏛 Devolve revenue raising from Westminster
💰 Flexible local tax systems
🏭 Champion Northern Powerhouse and Midlands Engine
💧Give customers the ability to hold utilities to account
📍 Support for local energy cooperatives and community banks
🎁 Cap donations to political parties at £10k
💷 Give trade-union members right to specify Party that receives their levy
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