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El stovey said:
Jo Swinson “I got into parliament as a 25 year old woman, people only underestimate me once” POW! Take that gammons.
She knew exatly how to fiddle the system very quickly when she did arrive in Parliament aged 25.Miss Swinson, a Liberal Democrat who was 25 when she was elected MP for Dunbartonshire East in 2005, denied claiming for cosmetics but defended the use of taxpayer-funded expenses to pay for dozens of other everyday items.
At one point, she submitted a Tesco receipt for £22.67 that appeared to show that the MP or an aide went to the trouble of putting an asterisk next to three items, totalling £5.75, for which she intended to claim — a £1.75 chopping board, a “food saver” for £1.50 and a £2.50 sieve.
An Asda receipt included a bottle of Mr Sheen cleaner costing 78p and a £1.19 window cleaner. She also claimed for a hair dryer and £16 lavatory roll holder, along with a £14.10 invoice to have a spare key cut for her cleaner.
Miss Swinson’s records show that she submitted receipts for items ranging in price from a packet of dusters for 29p to a television costing £544.90.
Known in Westminster for the attention she pays to her appearance, Miss Swinson’s receipts contain a number of items relating to her personal care. They included a “tooth flosser” costing £19.10, which the Commons fees office rejected, along with a set of “toothbrush refills”.
A few months previously, however, and in an apparent breach of the rules that prevented claims for personal items, she was reimbursed for an electric toothbrush and hairdryer.
Also among her receipts was a £27.94 bill from Boots, which included a £5 eyeliner, a lip liner for the same price, and a £12.00 “R&M Eye Kit”.
Vanden Saab said:
ash73 said:
People must be worried, a couple of years ago the Lib Dems were irrelevant now they're getting a lot of attention.
Jo should have adopted a revoke policy a long time ago; but better late than never.
Come on Rory join the party! You know you want to.
Rory 'got a lot of attention' during the tory leadership election. Remind me how that went? Jo should have adopted a revoke policy a long time ago; but better late than never.
Come on Rory join the party! You know you want to.
The damage of selecting Boris and the lurch to the right under his and Cummings control might not be seen for a while but the conservatives will get the blame for brexit and the new hope for the party, the generation of conservatives like Rory and Sam Gyimah that appeal to floating voters and win elections are leaving the party.
It won’t be a s
t storm.
It solves the brexit problem immediately. The vast majority of people will largely be relieved it’s over and business and the city will collectively say “thank god” and move on and continue to prosper. The conservatives and Labour will be happy as they have a get out of jail card and can blame the libdems for not leaving.
Nobody but the brexit party and their supporters will ever campaign to leave the E.U. again and they’ve got no MPs anyway.
t storm.It solves the brexit problem immediately. The vast majority of people will largely be relieved it’s over and business and the city will collectively say “thank god” and move on and continue to prosper. The conservatives and Labour will be happy as they have a get out of jail card and can blame the libdems for not leaving.
Nobody but the brexit party and their supporters will ever campaign to leave the E.U. again and they’ve got no MPs anyway.
Lindun said:
dandarez said:
Have you not seen the 'latest' polling? And it's not from the Wail, it's the Opinium/Observer Poll from that liberal luvvie labour luvvie lot at the Guardian or the Sunday edition called the Observer.
The poll was taken 'after' Boris shut down Parliament AND after the Scot judges ruling his actions 'unlawful'.
It shows not a slip in the Tories lead, not even consolidating it, but increasing it! UP 2 pts on last week. Labour unchanged. The Lib-Dums (with all the rubbish from Swinson and her cohorts) DOWN 1 on the weekend of their conference, when normally a rise can be expected. It also showed that a fifth of Lab 'leave' voters are now making it their intention to vote Tory!
Polls we know are notorious, but I suspect these are spot on.
Oh dear, oh dear. Lib-Dum is so appropriate!
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/tories-exten...
As for your LibDum comment, that continues to make my point of bravado and putting on a tough guy face.
El stovey said:
It won’t be a st storm.
It solves the brexit problem immediately. The vast majority of people will largely be relieved it’s over and business and the city will collectively say “thank god” and move on and continue to prosper. The conservatives and Labour will be happy as they have a get out of jail card and can blame the libdems for not leaving.
Nobody but the brexit party and their supporters will ever campaign to leave the E.U. again and they’ve got no MPs anyway.
Parliament would be unrecognisable after the following election, as would most councils.t storm.It solves the brexit problem immediately. The vast majority of people will largely be relieved it’s over and business and the city will collectively say “thank god” and move on and continue to prosper. The conservatives and Labour will be happy as they have a get out of jail card and can blame the libdems for not leaving.
Nobody but the brexit party and their supporters will ever campaign to leave the E.U. again and they’ve got no MPs anyway.
valiant said:
Question now is what with their recent announcement in revoking A50 is how rigidly they’ll stick to their guns when forming an alliance with Labour for example.
Libdems can only really form an alliance with labour, I expect. Labour say it’s another referendum with May/Boris’s deal or remain. I can’t see them agreeing to revoke article 50 altogether.
I think the libdems would probably compromise on their revoke article 50 pledge and agree to another referendum. Especially if the alternative is a pro brexit government.
tolerable. 
MC Bodge said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
First off it's not going to happen.
Second you think that basically spitting in the face of everyone who voted leave is centrist politics, And voting for a party that will do this will fix the brexit problem? What have you been smoking?
Ive asked this a few times now and no one who keep saying if the lib Dems win it will be democracy at work. If the conservatives win for a second time with a leave the EU manifesto it will finally once and for all be a mandate from the people that we should leave the EU? Yes or No.
Concerned? Second you think that basically spitting in the face of everyone who voted leave is centrist politics, And voting for a party that will do this will fix the brexit problem? What have you been smoking?
Ive asked this a few times now and no one who keep saying if the lib Dems win it will be democracy at work. If the conservatives win for a second time with a leave the EU manifesto it will finally once and for all be a mandate from the people that we should leave the EU? Yes or No.
Stigproducts said:
Brooking10 said:
Stigproducts said:
You support domestic violence? Do you agree it's ok to slap your partner?
Will it be in the manifesto do you think ?https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8708669/lib-dem-lead...
wtfRandy Winkman said:
tangerine_sedge said:
Hmmm, Libdems getting some hate on here. They must be doing something right 
Exactly. There's some real barrel scraping going on. Run by a young woman. Centrist policies. Gaining popularity. Overturning brexit. MPs from other parties joining. (Except the brexit party who have no MPs)
It’s everything the more reactionary posters hate.
El stovey said:
It’s got it all.
Run by a young woman. Centrist policies. Gaining popularity. Overturning brexit. MPs from other parties joining. (Except the brexit party who have no MPs)
It’s everything the more reactionary posters hate.
Run by a young woman. Centrist policies. Gaining popularity. Overturning brexit. MPs from other parties joining. (Except the brexit party who have no MPs)
It’s everything the more reactionary posters hate.
Will they get in ?
Highly unlikely.
Is it a smart move to take a definitive position as they have ?
Probably yes
Could this scupper a Boris majority ?
Potentially yes
Is it wryly amusing watching a certain type of PHer get worked up by the situation ?
Most definitely
gooner1 said:
Murph7355 said:
don'tbesilly said:
REALIST123 said:
All I can say is that if anyone watched her get torn apart this morning by, of all people, Piers Morgan, and could then still countenance voting for her and her party, they really need to seek help.
It was risible. A deer caught in the headlights doesn’t come close.
Swinson didn't fare much better just now when questioned by Dan Walker from the Beeb. It was risible. A deer caught in the headlights doesn’t come close.
It's not just Joe Public who don't seem to be warming to Swinson, the media are not her biggest fans.
One of her MP's in the West Country is getting some flak today as well which isn't doing them any favours.
So they're campaigning to rescind but have been saying all along that they want a "people's vote"...but will ignore the result if it says we still want to get out.
She'll get some of the remain vote. But anyone voting for her thinking there will be any less of a shambles happening in Parliament with her sort of logic is as nuts as she is.
amusingduck said:
El stovey said:
It won’t be a st storm.
It solves the brexit problem immediately. The vast majority of people will largely be relieved it’s over and business and the city will collectively say “thank god” and move on and continue to prosper. The conservatives and Labour will be happy as they have a get out of jail card and can blame the libdems for not leaving.
Nobody but the brexit party and their supporters will ever campaign to leave the E.U. again and they’ve got no MPs anyway.
I find that an odd opinion from someone who voted to Leave because of superstate concerns.. How does it solve that, even slightly?t storm.It solves the brexit problem immediately. The vast majority of people will largely be relieved it’s over and business and the city will collectively say “thank god” and move on and continue to prosper. The conservatives and Labour will be happy as they have a get out of jail card and can blame the libdems for not leaving.
Nobody but the brexit party and their supporters will ever campaign to leave the E.U. again and they’ve got no MPs anyway.
How does it solves anyone's concerns about our EU membership? The split caused the referendum, the referendum didn't cause the split...
Since then I’ve seen that I was wrong about certain aspects of the E.U. and their processes are actually more democratic than I thought. I’ve seen the shambles and total lack of plan from the conservatives, their leave promises of getting a good deal we’re just a pack of lies. Their handling of brexit has been a disaster and the party has taken a lurch to the right getting rid of the centrists. So I’ve realised that although the E.U. isn’t perfect, the least worse option is actually to remain.
So no, after seeing all this, I certainly wouldn’t vote leave in another referendum. In the original referendum I was naive enough to believe the conservatives could negotiate a good deal, any benefits I saw have been shown to be clearly outweighed by the negatives and the party I would normally vote for are unrecognisable to the one from the last two general elections.
That’s why I’d probably vote libdem tomorrow if the election was then and why I would vote to remain if we have another referendum and it’s an option.
When the time comes though, as usual I’ll look at all the options and make a decision.
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