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now you put it like that she does seem quite impressiveI would sum her up thus:
Jo Swinson : "I don’t believe in democracy. I won’t accept that Leave won the referendum by a margin of 1.27 million votes.
Indeed if we had another referendum and Leave won I still would not accept the result *
Us Liberal Democrats don't do democracy....... unless you are agree to agree with me"
The very name of my party - The Liberal Democratic Party - is a textbook example of an oxymoron."
Jo Swinson : "I don’t believe in democracy. I won’t accept that Leave won the referendum by a margin of 1.27 million votes.
Indeed if we had another referendum and Leave won I still would not accept the result *
Us Liberal Democrats don't do democracy....... unless you are agree to agree with me"
The very name of my party - The Liberal Democratic Party - is a textbook example of an oxymoron."
Otis Criblecoblis said:
'Preserving democracy' by voting to hold a referendum in which you will only accept one outcome, demanding a re-run until that 'democratic' result is achieved.
She appeals to the very worst anti Brexit dolts who have zero interest in democracy.
So if it had been a 'no' result you would have said 'fine' and forgot all about it? She appeals to the very worst anti Brexit dolts who have zero interest in democracy.
reckonbudgie smuggler said:
Otis Criblecoblis said:
'Preserving democracy' by voting to hold a referendum in which you will only accept one outcome, demanding a re-run until that 'democratic' result is achieved.
She appeals to the very worst anti Brexit dolts who have zero interest in democracy.
So if it had been a 'no' result you would have said 'fine' and forgot all about it? She appeals to the very worst anti Brexit dolts who have zero interest in democracy.
reckonChris Patten covered it well in 2003:
“I think referendums are awful. The late and great Julian Critchley used to say that, not very surprisingly, they were the favourite form of plebiscitary democracy of Mussolini and Hitler.... They undermine Westminster. I think referendums are fundamentally anti-democratic in our system, and I wouldn't have anything to do with them. On the whole, governments only concede them when governments are weak”
So the good reason to carry out Brexit is that both main parties went into the last General Election saying they’d deliver it, and took a significant majority. Arguing MPs should support no-deal because of the referendum, when none of them supported it in their manifestos, is actually anti-democratic.
67Dino said:
At the risk of being a pedant (unheard of in PH, I know), referenda aren’t especially democratic. Democracy is when you vote for representatives to take decisions on your behalf. Referenda undermine their ability to do this.
Your argument falls on it's arse when you consider that our representatives overwhelmingly (10:1) voted that the matter should be decided via referendumamusingduck said:
67Dino said:
At the risk of being a pedant (unheard of in PH, I know), referenda aren’t especially democratic. Democracy is when you vote for representatives to take decisions on your behalf. Referenda undermine their ability to do this.
Your argument falls on it's arse when you consider that our representatives overwhelmingly (10:1) voted that the matter should be decided via referendum
hidetheelephants said:
El stovey said:
Nobody cares.
This is a thread about Jo Swinson.
Wee Jo wants another ref though, and another and another and another until she gets the answer she wants. Very EU-like of her.This is a thread about Jo Swinson.
hidetheelephants said:
Wee Jo wants another ref though, and another and another and another until she gets the answer she wants. Very EU-like of her.
Arguably, she’s the one keeping Boris in power and the No Deal Brexit that we’re heading towards. If she backed Corbyn’s idea then it would be all over 67Dino said:
amusingduck said:
67Dino said:
At the risk of being a pedant (unheard of in PH, I know), referenda aren’t especially democratic. Democracy is when you vote for representatives to take decisions on your behalf. Referenda undermine their ability to do this.
Your argument falls on it's arse when you consider that our representatives overwhelmingly (10:1) voted that the matter should be decided via referendumHiw many re-runs would you like?
Lindun said:
Arguably, she’s the one keeping Boris in power and the No Deal Brexit that we’re heading towards. If she backed Corbyn’s idea then it would be all over
Which shows what a complete lot of good-for-nothings the LDs are. They've been setting themselves up for months as the One True Party of Remain and banging on about how Stopping Brexit is the most important issue of modern times, but won't take the one path that actually has any chance of leading to their goal which they supposedly have such strong convictions in. Because, like so many liberals before them in history, the one thing that they're against more than anything, when push comes to shove, is anything resembling a socialist government. They'd rather let the Conservatives lead a no-deal Brexit than let a Labour Party led by Corbyn anywhere near power. If they'd just come out and say "We're the No Corbyns Allowed Party" then at least they'd be being honest. But no, they're going through this charade of trying to do a deal with every element of every other party while refusing to work with the Official Opposition who got 40% of the vote in the last GE and whose stated official policy is exactly what they want - a second referendum. Because, for all their talk about sensible centrism, liberals will always back the right before they back the left.
2xChevrons said:
Which shows what a complete lot of good-for-nothings the LDs are. They've been setting themselves up for months as the One True Party of Remain and banging on about how Stopping Brexit is the most important issue of modern times, but won't take the one path that actually has any chance of leading to their goal which they supposedly have such strong convictions in. Because, like so many liberals before them in history, the one thing that they're against more than anything, when push comes to shove, is anything resembling a socialist government. They'd rather let the Conservatives lead a no-deal Brexit than let a Labour Party led by Corbyn anywhere near power.
If they'd just come out and say "We're the No Corbyns Allowed Party" then at least they'd be being honest. But no, they're going through this charade of trying to do a deal with every element of every other party while refusing to work with the Official Opposition who got 40% of the vote in the last GE and whose stated official policy is exactly what they want - a second referendum. Because, for all their talk about sensible centrism, liberals will always back the right before they back the left.
I think there’s more to it. It’s hard to believe that every other MP, including all Labour MPs would back Corbyn’s motion of no confidence. It would seriously backfire on the LibDems if they backed him and then fell short of winning the motion. If they'd just come out and say "We're the No Corbyns Allowed Party" then at least they'd be being honest. But no, they're going through this charade of trying to do a deal with every element of every other party while refusing to work with the Official Opposition who got 40% of the vote in the last GE and whose stated official policy is exactly what they want - a second referendum. Because, for all their talk about sensible centrism, liberals will always back the right before they back the left.
2xChevrons said:
Lindun said:
Arguably, she’s the one keeping Boris in power and the No Deal Brexit that we’re heading towards. If she backed Corbyn’s idea then it would be all over
Which shows what a complete lot of good-for-nothings the LDs are. They've been setting themselves up for months as the One True Party of Remain and banging on about how Stopping Brexit is the most important issue of modern times, but won't take the one path that actually has any chance of leading to their goal which they supposedly have such strong convictions in. Because, like so many liberals before them in history, the one thing that they're against more than anything, when push comes to shove, is anything resembling a socialist government. They'd rather let the Conservatives lead a no-deal Brexit than let a Labour Party led by Corbyn anywhere near power. If they'd just come out and say "We're the No Corbyns Allowed Party" then at least they'd be being honest. But no, they're going through this charade of trying to do a deal with every element of every other party while refusing to work with the Official Opposition who got 40% of the vote in the last GE and whose stated official policy is exactly what they want - a second referendum. Because, for all their talk about sensible centrism, liberals will always back the right before they back the left.
Ho ho ho. The Lib Dems are going to be the party which enables a no deal Brexit. The Irony, just because they have a grudge against Corbyn becoming caretaker PM for a few weeks.
Labour are showing signs of finally getting their act together and the Holier Than Thou Lib Dems steam in and betray the remoaners
. My effing sides. She's doing an excellent job for Boris Johnson here.
Labour are showing signs of finally getting their act together and the Holier Than Thou Lib Dems steam in and betray the remoaners
. My effing sides. She's doing an excellent job for Boris Johnson here.booboise blueboys said:
Ho ho ho. The Lib Dems are going to be the party which enables a no deal Brexit. The Irony, just because they have a grudge against Corbyn becoming caretaker PM for a few weeks.
Labour are showing signs of finally getting their act together and the Holier Than Thou Lib Dems steam in and betray the remoaners. My effing sides. She's doing an excellent job for Boris Johnson here.
Today has been one of very enjoyable schadenfreude for me, for precisely these reasons. Labour are showing signs of finally getting their act together and the Holier Than Thou Lib Dems steam in and betray the remoaners
. My effing sides. She's doing an excellent job for Boris Johnson here.captain_cynic said:
valiant said:
Cantaloupe said:
The good folk of Belgium, Denmark and Norway are quite happy to be governed by wink wink, nudge nudge, back scratching
coalitions and minority governments since we saved their ungrateful, skinny arses in '45.
In what way were they ungrateful in ‘45?coalitions and minority governments since we saved their ungrateful, skinny arses in '45.
Post 1945 the continent has to thank Russian deaths.
Prior to 1945, the continent had to thank Hitler's and Stalin's stupidity.
Fun fact: the UK received the largest share of the marshal plan funds. Over 1/4 of it.
.....do not let HALF the facts trip you up.
2xChevrons said:
booboise blueboys said:
Ho ho ho. The Lib Dems are going to be the party which enables a no deal Brexit. The Irony, just because they have a grudge against Corbyn becoming caretaker PM for a few weeks.
Labour are showing signs of finally getting their act together and the Holier Than Thou Lib Dems steam in and betray the remoaners. My effing sides. She's doing an excellent job for Boris Johnson here.
Today has been one of very enjoyable schadenfreude for me, for precisely these reasons. Labour are showing signs of finally getting their act together and the Holier Than Thou Lib Dems steam in and betray the remoaners
. My effing sides. She's doing an excellent job for Boris Johnson here.budgie smuggler said:
Otis Criblecoblis said:
'Preserving democracy' by voting to hold a referendum in which you will only accept one outcome, demanding a re-run until that 'democratic' result is achieved.
She appeals to the very worst anti Brexit dolts who have zero interest in democracy.
So if it had been a 'no' result you would have said 'fine' and forgot all about it? She appeals to the very worst anti Brexit dolts who have zero interest in democracy.
reckonI've said multiple times on this forum that if the country voted LibDem at the last general election and they then held another referendum, I'd have no choice but to accept that as democratic.
Remainers never did bother their arse to do that, so I don't much accept her bleating for another vote.
She is an MP who voted to have a referendum and then immediately wanted to overturn the result, based on little more than not liking the result she agreed to stand by in campaigning.
Had there been a Remain win, tell me what would have happened in parliament to stop or block the result ?
I see she's been joined today by another leading antI Brexit dolt, someone who's jumped party twice in a number of months but who does wish to face a vote on herself, but is keen to overturn a referendum result. Rather sums up the LibDems as a collection of dolts with the affront to lecture on democracy.
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