I’d be happy with another referendum if,,,,,
Discussion
Nickgnome said:
IQ and EQ test. Not sure what score but has to be over 100
Include anyone over 12. It is their future after all. Subject to 1.
What’s not to like?
Typical elites or at least wannabe elites arrogance. Include anyone over 12. It is their future after all. Subject to 1.
What’s not to like?
What's not to like? Well from a start anyone who doesn't meet your standards is normal just as capable of swinging a bat or shooting a gun as you or anyone else is. And thats ultimate what happens a small elites group think they know best but it usually ends up with the majority non elite eventually saying "f
k this" with the inevitable consequences. The saying is democracy is the worst form of government but is the best we have.
Not-The-Messiah said:
Typical elites or at least wannabe elites arrogance.
What's not to like? Well from a start anyone who doesn't meet your standards is normal just as capable of swinging a bat or shooting a gun as you or anyone else is. And thats ultimate what happens a small elites group think they know best but it usually ends up with the majority non elite eventually saying "fk this" with the inevitable consequences.
The saying is democracy is the worst form of government but is the best we have.
Pretty sure his criteria excluded those under 12 and can’t imagine most of them being too helpful in this imaginary uprising you’re frothing at the gash over.What's not to like? Well from a start anyone who doesn't meet your standards is normal just as capable of swinging a bat or shooting a gun as you or anyone else is. And thats ultimate what happens a small elites group think they know best but it usually ends up with the majority non elite eventually saying "f
k this" with the inevitable consequences. The saying is democracy is the worst form of government but is the best we have.
Not-The-Messiah said:
Nickgnome said:
IQ and EQ test. Not sure what score but has to be over 100
Include anyone over 12. It is their future after all. Subject to 1.
What’s not to like?
Typical elites or at least wannabe elites arrogance. Include anyone over 12. It is their future after all. Subject to 1.
What’s not to like?
What's not to like? Well from a start anyone who doesn't meet your standards is normal just as capable of swinging a bat or shooting a gun as you or anyone else is. And thats ultimate what happens a small elites group think they know best but it usually ends up with the majority non elite eventually saying "f
k this" with the inevitable consequences. The saying is democracy is the worst form of government but is the best we have.
By what basis is this not reasonable?
dandarez said:
Agree, I waited 41 years to vote in the second one.
Got it wrong in 1975, but simply (like the vast majority) got on with life despite oil crisis and other little things like inflation peaking around 26%!
Wonder why we didn't jump up and down like losers do these days?
And don’t forget the minor issue of interest rates on mortgages rising. to 15%. Plenty f homeowners lost their homes at that time, brit teeth and got on with rebuilding. Got it wrong in 1975, but simply (like the vast majority) got on with life despite oil crisis and other little things like inflation peaking around 26%!
Wonder why we didn't jump up and down like losers do these days?
crankedup said:
dandarez said:
Agree, I waited 41 years to vote in the second one.
Got it wrong in 1975, but simply (like the vast majority) got on with life despite oil crisis and other little things like inflation peaking around 26%!
Wonder why we didn't jump up and down like losers do these days?
And don’t forget the minor issue of interest rates on mortgages rising. to 15%. Plenty f homeowners lost their homes at that time, brit teeth and got on with rebuilding. Got it wrong in 1975, but simply (like the vast majority) got on with life despite oil crisis and other little things like inflation peaking around 26%!
Wonder why we didn't jump up and down like losers do these days?
I suspect we may have another adjustment coming soon. Not before time. Unfortunately interest rates are way too low and props up unsustainable borrowing.
Nickgnome said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
Nickgnome said:
IQ and EQ test. Not sure what score but has to be over 100
Include anyone over 12. It is their future after all. Subject to 1.
What’s not to like?
Typical elites or at least wannabe elites arrogance. Include anyone over 12. It is their future after all. Subject to 1.
What’s not to like?
What's not to like? Well from a start anyone who doesn't meet your standards is normal just as capable of swinging a bat or shooting a gun as you or anyone else is. And thats ultimate what happens a small elites group think they know best but it usually ends up with the majority non elite eventually saying "f
k this" with the inevitable consequences. The saying is democracy is the worst form of government but is the best we have.
By what basis is this not reasonable?
Just think why democracy works, it works because it's operates on averages it brings everyone with it. If allowed to work it balances progress with regularity, it stops extremes of one side or another taking control.
You might not like the average and think we could do better but tough s
t that's where we are. The only other option is to become evil tyrannical bds who feel they can control others. That aways works out well. Vaud said:
Johnnytheboy said:
If the Electoral Commission could devise some transferable vote methodology that meant you choose from Leave, Remain, or May's deal, without splitting the Leave vote.
It's possible, but it needs to be in two phases and could be done over about a month to allow for postal votes:Phase 1
Leave (with options outlined)
or
Remain
Phase 2 (assuming Leave wins)
Which option do you want?
May
or
Hard exit
Binary options are preferred in refs.
Phase 1
Do you support a second referendum
Phase 2 (only if the result to Phase 1 is 'Yes')
Remain
Leave on xx date (giving the opportunity to attempt a revised deal) with no further extension.
Any other leave options would dilute the leave vote, so it has to be a binary choice.
I think it's fair to say that we're better informed about the possible consequences (good, bad and indifferent) of leaving than we were back in 2016 and the result has to be one that we can all get behind to limit any further remoaning. There were too many half-truths and bare-faced lies from both sides in the original debate, we're better placed to make an informed decision now and 'the people' need to place the HOC in a position where they have to comply with the wishes of the electorate.
I would not be happy to have another referendum under any circumstance. I would be seriously offended and angry. Most people feel as I do. I can’t make a prediction about what may happen, but I do t think it would be pretty and I do t think it would solve anything. It would only bring more problems.
Not-The-Messiah said:
How about who wins in a arm wrestle?
Just think why democracy works, it works because it's operates on averages it brings everyone with it. If allowed to work it balances progress with regularity, it stops extremes of one side or another taking control.
You might not like the average and think we could do better but tough st that's where we are. The only other option is to become evil tyrannical bds who feel they can control others. That aways works out well.
So you are saying we can never evolve. That sounds a bit Neanderthal and we know what happened to them.Just think why democracy works, it works because it's operates on averages it brings everyone with it. If allowed to work it balances progress with regularity, it stops extremes of one side or another taking control.
You might not like the average and think we could do better but tough s
t that's where we are. The only other option is to become evil tyrannical bds who feel they can control others. That aways works out well. Crippo said:
I would not be happy to have another referendum under any circumstance. I would be seriously offended and angry. Most people feel as I do. I can’t make a prediction about what may happen, but I do t think it would be pretty and I do t think it would solve anything. It would only bring more problems.
Is that because you feel you were well informed by the debate, or would you have voted the way you did regardless? I assume you voted leave, so can genuinely understand the offence and anger but I'd question your assertion that 'most' people feel the same way, I think that most people want a result that we can all accept and make the best of, in or out. In fairness it's not pretty at the moment and the poor quality of information presented pre-referendum and the subsequent unraveling of predictions made by both sides may mean that a swathe of voters want to change their minds, maybe it's not a bad thing to reaffirm, or not, the result, given the potential consequences?primary colours said:
Crippo said:
I would not be happy to have another referendum under any circumstance. I would be seriously offended and angry. Most people feel as I do. I can’t make a prediction about what may happen, but I do t think it would be pretty and I do t think it would solve anything. It would only bring more problems.
Is that because you feel you were well informed by the debate, or would you have voted the way you did regardless? I assume you voted leave, so can genuinely understand the offence and anger but I'd question your assertion that 'most' people feel the same way, I think that most people want a result that we can all accept and make the best of, in or out. In fairness it's not pretty at the moment and the poor quality of information presented pre-referendum and the subsequent unraveling of predictions made by both sides may mean that a swathe of voters want to change their minds, maybe it's not a bad thing to reaffirm, or not, the result, given the potential consequences?
Edited by Burwood on Thursday 15th August 23:50
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