I’d be happy with another referendum if,,,,,
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PositronicRay said:
How do they decide what goes to referendum?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_Switzerlan...A very different model.
Vaud said:
PositronicRay said:
How do they decide what goes to referendum?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_Switzerlan...A very different model.
PositronicRay said:
It looks complicated.
It is fairly logical - and given the further complexity of the Cantons.But then having seen how complex the UK parliamentary process has been in recent months, and how many complex archaic processes exist, I suspect the UK model could also be challenged as complicated?
Nickgnome said:
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As a group the electorate are not we’ll informed and very prejudice. Our democracy irons that out....
Our current crop of MPs belies that and suggests our democracy has failed at ironing anything out. As a group the electorate are not we’ll informed and very prejudice. Our democracy irons that out....
MPs are "normal" people. Some brighter than others. Some more appropriately skilled than others. Having MP after their name does not make them any better informed or any less prejudiced. The current crop put a good case forward to the contrary!
Nickgnome said:
IQ and EQ test. Not sure what score but has to be over 100
Include anyone over 12. It is their future after all. Subject to 1.
What’s not to like?
That you think IQ and EQ tests are good enough measures for anything other than mild amusement should be sufficient to exclude you from voting Include anyone over 12. It is their future after all. Subject to 1.
What’s not to like?
That you then note "12" as long as the IQ level is met suggests you need to read up more on how IQ is calculated.
But why 12? Why not 11? Or 10? Or 7? It's their future to you know
Vaud said:
PositronicRay said:
It looks complicated.
It is fairly logical - and given the further complexity of the Cantons.But then having seen how complex the UK parliamentary process has been in recent months, and how many complex archaic processes exist, I suspect the UK model could also be challenged as complicated?
Murph7355 said:
Nickgnome said:
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As a group the electorate are not we’ll informed and very prejudice. Our democracy irons that out....
Our current crop of MPs belies that and suggests our democracy has failed at ironing anything out. As a group the electorate are not we’ll informed and very prejudice. Our democracy irons that out....
MPs are "normal" people. Some brighter than others. Some more appropriately skilled than others. Having MP after their name does not make them any better informed or any less prejudiced. The current crop put a good case forward to the contrary!
Nickgnome said:
IQ and EQ test. Not sure what score but has to be over 100
Include anyone over 12. It is their future after all. Subject to 1.
What’s not to like?
That you think IQ and EQ tests are good enough measures for anything other than mild amusement should be sufficient to exclude you from voting Include anyone over 12. It is their future after all. Subject to 1.
What’s not to like?
That you then note "12" as long as the IQ level is met suggests you need to read up more on how IQ is calculated.
But why 12? Why not 11? Or 10? Or 7? It's their future to you know
Surely if it reasonable to set a lower age limit, then it must be reasonable to have an upper limit and the test would ensure equality.
Your local electorate chose your MP and also if they were bothered contributed to the candidate selection process. The quality of your MP is therefore directly linked to the electorate in your area.
dandarez said:
Agree, I waited 41 years to vote in the second one.
Got it wrong in 1975, but simply (like the vast majority) got on with life despite oil crisis and other little things like inflation peaking around 26%!
Wonder why we didn't jump up and down like losers do these days?
The only thing is, that in 1975 the EU did not exist, nor would it, for many years to come. Got it wrong in 1975, but simply (like the vast majority) got on with life despite oil crisis and other little things like inflation peaking around 26%!
Wonder why we didn't jump up and down like losers do these days?
How could the people of the UK in 1975 be asked to vote for something that not only, did not exist, but had (then) absolutely no knowledge of what an EU was or what it do / mean for them?
Given all the Hoo Haa, legal challenges, debates in parliament, and in the media etc that has occurred following the only democratic vote the citizens of the UK have ever been given on the UK`s EU membership, I wonder if the UK`s `membership' is even legal?
We could have another referendum as you say in 40 years time, or even another one now, but a remain in the EU option on the ballot paper must categorically not exist. That question has already been asked and answered by the 2016 referendum which has yet to be enacted (as stated by the government in writing that it would be acted upon0..
Vaud said:
768 said:
That's not fair, the EU will be a distant memory by then.
I doubt it. I think it will ultimately collapse (or rather I think it will go, slice by slice) but I think it will take until 2050 at least.Nickgnome said:
Your local electorate chose your MP and also if they were bothered contributed to the candidate selection process. The quality of your MP is therefore directly linked to the electorate in your area.
I am not sure that the system is a robust as you believe.On C4 News this week, we were introduced to Labour’s shadow Education secretary talking about their brave new world for only allowing students apply to universities, once their grades are known.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Rayner
Virtually every sentence she spoke was grammatically incorrect. Despite having no formal qualifications she is paid £74k, plus expenses, to represent the people of Ashton-U-Lyne. They voted quite heavily in favour of Leave, yet openly stated that she feels free to dismiss their views and support Remain.
70% of MPs represent constituencies that voted Leave. 94% agreed to implement the outcome of the vote. The current wrangling is a massive shame on the mother of all Parliaments.
rdjohn said:
Nickgnome said:
Your local electorate chose your MP and also if they were bothered contributed to the candidate selection process. The quality of your MP is therefore directly linked to the electorate in your area.
I am not sure that the system is a robust as you believe.On C4 News this week, we were introduced to Labour’s shadow Education secretary talking about their brave new world for only allowing students apply to universities, once their grades are known.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Rayner
Virtually every sentence she spoke was grammatically incorrect. Despite having no formal qualifications she is paid £74k, plus expenses, to represent the people of Ashton-U-Lyne. They voted quite heavily in favour of Leave, yet openly stated that she feels free to dismiss their views and support Remain.
70% of MPs represent constituencies that voted Leave. 94% agreed to implement the outcome of the vote. The current wrangling is a massive shame on the mother of all Parliaments.
rdjohn said:
Nickgnome said:
Your local electorate chose your MP and also if they were bothered contributed to the candidate selection process. The quality of your MP is therefore directly linked to the electorate in your area.
I am not sure that the system is a robust as you believe.On C4 News this week, we were introduced to Labour’s shadow Education secretary talking about their brave new world for only allowing students apply to universities, once their grades are known.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Rayner
Virtually every sentence she spoke was grammatically incorrect. Despite having no formal qualifications she is paid £74k, plus expenses, to represent the people of Ashton-U-Lyne. They voted quite heavily in favour of Leave, yet openly stated that she feels free to dismiss their views and support Remain.
70% of MPs represent constituencies that voted Leave. 94% agreed to implement the outcome of the vote. The current wrangling is a massive shame on the mother of all Parliaments.
Should MPs, once elected, do what they want to do or what their constituents want them to do?
80% of MPs chose the former.
93% of voters chose the latter.
Out of touch?
Light years away.
The best deal the UK will ever have from the EU is the one we have now. We shouldn't leave.
The UK standing alone has far less influence then as a member of the EU.
Outside the EU the UK will still be affected by many of its decisions but with no say in their formation.
The referendum campaigns by both sides were a disgrace of mis-information resulting in a decision based on prejudices and false 'facts'.
The UK standing alone has far less influence then as a member of the EU.
Outside the EU the UK will still be affected by many of its decisions but with no say in their formation.
The referendum campaigns by both sides were a disgrace of mis-information resulting in a decision based on prejudices and false 'facts'.
knuckle Borris carries on. Glosphil said:
The best deal the UK will ever have from the EU is the one we have now. We shouldn't leave.
The UK standing alone has far less influence then as a member of the EU.
Outside the EU the UK will still be affected by many of its decisions but with no say in their formation.
The referendum campaigns by both sides were a disgrace of mis-information resulting in a decision based on prejudices and false 'facts'.
So the fact that the majority of the population disagree with you has no bearing on what should happen? The UK standing alone has far less influence then as a member of the EU.
Outside the EU the UK will still be affected by many of its decisions but with no say in their formation.
The referendum campaigns by both sides were a disgrace of mis-information resulting in a decision based on prejudices and false 'facts'.
You feel that your opinion should prevail, no matter what.
rdjohn said:
So the fact that the majority of the population disagree with you has no bearing on what should happen?
You feel that your opinion should prevail, no matter what.
Error, the majority of the small portion of people who turned out in 2016.... We all know what it would be now. You feel that your opinion should prevail, no matter what.
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