Police Officer killed on duty

[crossle]

captain_cynic said:

The very best thing you can say about capital punishment is that it doesnt have an effect,

It tends to have a lasting effect on the executed.

[troika]

Brooking10 said:

And what laws aren’t they subject to ?

Anything to do with HMRC. You or I would be (quite rightly) inside for fraud and tax evasion.

[Vaud]

Cantaloupe said:

Don't get your hopes up, it's not going to be a murder charge if he was struck by a car.

Difficult to prove the action was premeditated with an intention to kill .

No-one will spend much time in stir, mark my words.

A saw a single twitter post (and I caveat that I have no knowledge of it's accuracy) that said the officer had been struck by a car, dragged along the road and then struck by a different car - so there may be a possibility that it was murder.

Which would explain the 10 arrests (2 vehicles?)

[essayer]

Cantaloupe said:

Don't get your hopes up, it's not going to be a murder charge if he was struck by a car.

Difficult to prove the action was premeditated with an intention to kill .

No-one will spend much time in stir, mark my words.

CPS: "If the vehicle was intentionally used as a weapon to kill or commit grievous bodily harm, a charge of murder may be considered."
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/road-traffic...

[ED209]

Cantaloupe said:

Don't get your hopes up, it's not going to be a murder charge if he was struck by a car.

Difficult to prove the action was premeditated with an intention to kill .

No-one will spend much time in stir, mark my words.

Doesn’t have to be an intention to kill for a murder charge. It’s intention to kill or cause grievous bodily harm.

If there’s evidence that the suspect has driven deliberately at the officer then it won’t be to difficult to get a murder conviction. Identifying the driver might be problematic though if the cop was there on his own and no other witnesses.

[Gary29]

essayer said:

CPS: "If the vehicle was intentionally used as a weapon to kill or commit grievous bodily harm, a charge of murder may be considered."
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/road-traffic...

How do you prove which of the 10 animals was driving the vehicle?

[W12GT]

Gary29 said:

essayer said:

CPS: "If the vehicle was intentionally used as a weapon to kill or commit grievous bodily harm, a charge of murder may be considered."
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/road-traffic...

How do you prove which of the 10 animals was driving the vehicle?

The professionals will do their best but I fear most will walk away Scott free.

[Gribs]

Gary29 said:

How do you prove which of the 10 animals was driving the vehicle?

Joint enterprise?

[anonymous-user]

I don't think the death penalty will ever reapper in the UK so it's irrelevant anyway.

markcoznottz said:

Even you would have to admit travellers are more brazen nowadays. Years ago a bit of metal theft, dodgy tarmacing.

Are they?

I don't know. Perhaps they are more, equally or less 'brazen' now compared to 'years ago'.

Cantaloupe said:

Don't get your hopes up, it's not going to be a murder charge if he was struck by a car.

Difficult to prove the action was premeditated with an intention to kill .

No-one will spend much time in stir, mark my words.

Pre-mediation is irrelevant, but you may be right, vehicle deaths are usually not murder.

[anonymous-user]

Also, are we sure the policeman who sadly died was definitely responding alone?

As if so, who was there to arrest these 10 perps?

[Gary29]

JonnyJustice said:

Also, are we sure the policeman who sadly died was definitely responding alone?

As if so, who was there to arrest these 10 perps?

Purely speculation on my part, I'd guess that the arresting PC radios in what's happening, maybe he knows the vehicles or occupants, gets run over, and the Police then send a mob to the camp to arrest every male that's there?

[Halb]

Agammemnon said:

Morality is not relevant; efficacy is. If a death penalty is found to be a punishment better suited to the purpose then it should be available. If not, then not.

Punishment should never be based on anger, though.

Accurate.

[Jasandjules]

10 people our robbing a farm? I think I can see now why Tony Martin kept a shotgun nearby, that must be scary stuff indeed.

Hopefully justice will actually be done and 10 people will be rotting in jail for the next 8 years.

[red_slr]

Used to live and work 1/2 mile up the road. Would often be in The Spring Inn just up the road on an evening.
In the time I was there never had or saw any trouble. If anything I would say its one of the safer areas along the M4.

[pinchmeimdreamin]

Gary29 said:

essayer said:

CPS: "If the vehicle was intentionally used as a weapon to kill or commit grievous bodily harm, a charge of murder may be considered."
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/road-traffic...

How do you prove which of the 10 animals was driving the vehicle?

It was a Roads Policing Officer, So hopefully Cam footage of the driver at some point ?

[Red 4]

ED209 said:

Cantaloupe said:

Don't get your hopes up, it's not going to be a murder charge if he was struck by a car.

Difficult to prove the action was premeditated with an intention to kill .

No-one will spend much time in stir, mark my words.

Doesn’t have to be an intention to kill for a murder charge. It’s intention to kill or cause grievous bodily harm.

If there’s evidence that the suspect has driven deliberately at the officer then it won’t be to difficult to get a murder conviction. Identifying the driver might be problematic though if the cop was there on his own and no other witnesses.

I wouldn't be so sure about securing a murder conviction.

Back in 2015 PC Dave Phillips was killed after he deployed stinger in an attempt to stop a stolen vehicle.

The vehicle was driven straight at him. He died at the scene after sustaining horrific injuries.

Clayton Williams (a prolific offender) was convicted of manslaughter and received a 20 year sentence.

The hairs on the back of my neck stood up when I read the report of this latest incident - it bears similarities to PC Phillips' death.

RIP 6554.

RIP PC Harper.

Edited by Red 4 on Friday 16th August 14:34

[Dan_1981]

Appears there has been some sort of chase too - IPCC involved due to reports of police vehicle involved in pursuit.

[MiniMan64]

troika said:

Brooking10 said:

And what laws aren’t they subject to ?

Anything to do with HMRC. You or I would be (quite rightly) inside for fraud and tax evasion.

Breaking and entering?

They frequently crack open gates and fences around here to park where they want. The only action ever taken appears to be providing toilets.

[FN2TypeR]

eldar said:

Jasey_ said:

As I said on the Death Penalty Thread it's a cull we're needing!

Wipe out the scum completely and everything is immediately better - Even Brexit might become more attractive if we didn't have to support such scum levels !

This is scary. Obviously history teaches some people nothing.

They must be on a wind up, surely?

[V1nce Fox]

MiniMan64 said:

Breaking and entering?

They frequently crack open gates and fences around here to park where they want. The only action ever taken appears to be providing toilets.

Real problems with this round here too (Dorset). Forced entry to closed locations, locals intimidated and huge mess left. It's become worse year on year and very little is done to actually stop it.