Police Officer killed on duty
Discussion
shoestring7 said:
There are the same number of serving officers now as there were in the late 80s. What has changed are priorities and methods of policing.
It all needs a serious review.
What has changed is that demand has increased massively. Both in scope and volume. It all needs a serious review.
There were also nearly 10 million fewer people in the late 80s.
Grahamdub said:
Greendubber said:
Grahamdub said:
Greendubber said:
Yes, because there couldn't be anything else happening could there?
Probably not no. You are right and I bow to your superior wisdom. I live in a city of about 365k people. The response shift parades about 12 officers so 3 double crewed cars and the rest single crewed. At any one time there will probably be at least over 100 open logs if varying grades to deal with, anything from domestics, shop lifters, road traffic collisions, missing people, burglaries as well as dealing with people in custody etc.
Your big magic bottomless box of police officers simply doesn't exist.
king victim. And the accused winked at the family. 
La Liga said:
shoestring7 said:
There are the same number of serving officers now as there were in the late 80s. What has changed are priorities and methods of policing.
It all needs a serious review.
What has changed is that demand has increased massively. Both in scope and volume. It all needs a serious review.
There were also nearly 10 million fewer people in the late 80s.
Didn't you know ?
I was the force control room inspector. I was told to entertain a Round Table group at 8pm on a Thursday evening. I was one of the two senior officers on duty in the whole force and community liaison couldn’t be bothered to do their job themselves. I was irritated.
We had a new system installed where the incident logs could be remotely accessed and, allied to a projector, could be displayed on a screen for this group to peruse. If a job, such as a spontaneous major incident, come in, I would be able to see it at once and leave the room to take control.
As I was given no time to prepare, I did a Q&A session. One question was, how many officers were on duty in their division, Eastbourne it might have been. I asked how many they thought were on.
The consensus was that there would be three double-crewed cars, with a couple on foot patrol, hopefully more, and a motorcycle. Traffic officers would be nearby.
(To the best of my recollection) on the on-duty list it looked good to me, I think six, but they were shocked it was so low. I pointed out that one was custody officer, two were dealing with prisoners (one on overtime), one was a sergeant, leaving two on patrol in one car (one PC, a new probationer) and the other single-crewed.
During the ongoing, and lively, discussion about under-staffing, during which the double-crewed car had an arrest, so taking two PCs off the road, the grade 2 tally went up steadily.
That was around 1995 or 96, the good old days, when we had lots of officers, and each government said that they were increasing PC numbers, who didn’t seem to arrive. The situation is much worse now. But my old force managed the demand by upping the grades of calls from four to six and later seven. Some of the old G2s were reduced to 3s. Still didn’t hit the targets though.
I’ve no idea how they manage now. We couldn’t in the late 90s, often passing over G2s to nights.
I was severely criticised by someone above for telling the truth. It seems the Round Table group had a direct line to the CC and he got an earful.
We had a new system installed where the incident logs could be remotely accessed and, allied to a projector, could be displayed on a screen for this group to peruse. If a job, such as a spontaneous major incident, come in, I would be able to see it at once and leave the room to take control.
As I was given no time to prepare, I did a Q&A session. One question was, how many officers were on duty in their division, Eastbourne it might have been. I asked how many they thought were on.
The consensus was that there would be three double-crewed cars, with a couple on foot patrol, hopefully more, and a motorcycle. Traffic officers would be nearby.
(To the best of my recollection) on the on-duty list it looked good to me, I think six, but they were shocked it was so low. I pointed out that one was custody officer, two were dealing with prisoners (one on overtime), one was a sergeant, leaving two on patrol in one car (one PC, a new probationer) and the other single-crewed.
During the ongoing, and lively, discussion about under-staffing, during which the double-crewed car had an arrest, so taking two PCs off the road, the grade 2 tally went up steadily.
That was around 1995 or 96, the good old days, when we had lots of officers, and each government said that they were increasing PC numbers, who didn’t seem to arrive. The situation is much worse now. But my old force managed the demand by upping the grades of calls from four to six and later seven. Some of the old G2s were reduced to 3s. Still didn’t hit the targets though.
I’ve no idea how they manage now. We couldn’t in the late 90s, often passing over G2s to nights.
I was severely criticised by someone above for telling the truth. It seems the Round Table group had a direct line to the CC and he got an earful.
R Mutt said:
How many officers responded to this burglary? Because with 10 suspects (god knows what sort of raid this was) obviously this would require at least a police van full, and a couple of cars. Did the poor chap come on his own as backup?
I think I read 2 responded as the second officer was uninjured and receiving counselling/support.Greendubber said:
Grahamdub said:
Greendubber said:
Grahamdub said:
Greendubber said:
Yes, because there couldn't be anything else happening could there?
Probably not no. You are right and I bow to your superior wisdom. I live in a city of about 365k people. The response shift parades about 12 officers so 3 double crewed cars and the rest single crewed. At any one time there will probably be at least over 100 open logs if varying grades to deal with, anything from domestics, shop lifters, road traffic collisions, missing people, burglaries as well as dealing with people in custody etc.
Your big magic bottomless box of police officers simply doesn't exist.
KTF said:
I think I read 2 responded as the second officer was uninjured and receiving counselling/support.
My speculation is that a couple of them did the burglary and the rest of the 10 were arrested back at the camp whilst trying to disposeOf/clean up the van involved. Again purely speculation and happy to delete if the mods would rather not have such on this thread.
KTF said:
R Mutt said:
How many officers responded to this burglary? Because with 10 suspects (god knows what sort of raid this was) obviously this would require at least a police van full, and a couple of cars. Did the poor chap come on his own as backup?
I think I read 2 responded as the second officer was uninjured and receiving counselling/support.10 were arrested at the camp site within an hour of the burglary.
KTF said:
R Mutt said:
How many officers responded to this burglary? Because with 10 suspects (god knows what sort of raid this was) obviously this would require at least a police van full, and a couple of cars. Did the poor chap come on his own as backup?
I think I read 2 responded as the second officer was uninjured and receiving counselling/support.Just because they arrested 10 on suspicion of murder/burglary doesn't mean all 10 were present at the scene. Could well be they arrested the 10 most likely suspects from the camps.
Grahamdub said:
Greendubber said:
Grahamdub said:
Greendubber said:
Grahamdub said:
Greendubber said:
Yes, because there couldn't be anything else happening could there?
Probably not no. You are right and I bow to your superior wisdom. I live in a city of about 365k people. The response shift parades about 12 officers so 3 double crewed cars and the rest single crewed. At any one time there will probably be at least over 100 open logs if varying grades to deal with, anything from domestics, shop lifters, road traffic collisions, missing people, burglaries as well as dealing with people in custody etc.
Your big magic bottomless box of police officers simply doesn't exist.
Greendubber said:
Grahamdub said:
Greendubber said:
Grahamdub said:
Greendubber said:
Grahamdub said:
Greendubber said:
Yes, because there couldn't be anything else happening could there?
Probably not no. You are right and I bow to your superior wisdom. I live in a city of about 365k people. The response shift parades about 12 officers so 3 double crewed cars and the rest single crewed. At any one time there will probably be at least over 100 open logs if varying grades to deal with, anything from domestics, shop lifters, road traffic collisions, missing people, burglaries as well as dealing with people in custody etc.
Your big magic bottomless box of police officers simply doesn't exist.
Red 4 said:
thesmurfs said:
The accused picture is on the front page of the Daily Mail.
The pic conforms to the (stereotypical) image I previously had in my head of said accused.Just needs a high-viz and a Transit tipper.
His parents were too - the look of shame on his dad’s face was telling/ I’m not sure what to make of the pic of his mum maybe caught off guard but in my eyes it was a firm glare.
If he is guilty I’m afraid to say much of the blame sits squarely with them (as it does with any parent). If he did do it they need to make him now do the right thing and confess
Welshbeef said:
Red 4 said:
thesmurfs said:
The accused picture is on the front page of the Daily Mail.
The pic conforms to the (stereotypical) image I previously had in my head of said accused.Just needs a high-viz and a Transit tipper.
His parents were too - the look of shame on his dad’s face was telling/ I’m not sure what to make of the pic of his mum maybe caught off guard but in my eyes it was a firm glare.
If he is guilty I’m afraid to say much of the blame sits squarely with them (as it does with any parent). If he did do it they need to make him now do the right thing and confess
Many are released on licence but the sentence still stands and offenders remain bound by the terms of that licence.
The stakes are high - not guilty plea so far - I'd suggest much will depend on the strength of the evidence and a straight up confession is unlikely.
I don't wish to perpetuate the debate about cuts, but I have to vent about another LBC caller attributing most crime to austerity, even begging. By that logic he would justify beggars then robbing you.
If speculation is correct that the offender is from this particular community for whom crime is simply a way of life then that further invalidates the connection to austerity in this instance as no government in our history has sought to address the issue.
If speculation is correct that the offender is from this particular community for whom crime is simply a way of life then that further invalidates the connection to austerity in this instance as no government in our history has sought to address the issue.
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