Police Officer killed on duty
Discussion
PSB1 said:
True, in some ways it would be good if this thread could be closed down. There's zero benefit from any further comment or speculation about this now (and a lot of downside).
There are some f
king ridiculous, dipst rumours being circulated locally (no great surprise). Also a lot of running commentary on police activity.
I agree with the above - let the professionals relentlessly take this to its conclusion.
Self Righteous post of the day. There are some f
king ridiculous, dipst rumours being circulated locally (no great surprise). Also a lot of running commentary on police activity.I agree with the above - let the professionals relentlessly take this to its conclusion.
V6 Pushfit said:
PSB1 said:
True, in some ways it would be good if this thread could be closed down. There's zero benefit from any further comment or speculation about this now (and a lot of downside).
There are some fking ridiculous, dipst rumours being circulated locally (no great surprise). Also a lot of running commentary on police activity.
I agree with the above - let the professionals relentlessly take this to its conclusion.
Self Righteous post of the day. There are some f
king ridiculous, dipst rumours being circulated locally (no great surprise). Also a lot of running commentary on police activity.I agree with the above - let the professionals relentlessly take this to its conclusion.
ks.There’s a degree of sense in that he says.
Look at the post from the CPS he’s provided
It’s abundantly clear that PH, as with the wider world, has sufficient idiots to ignore the good reasons behind it as they queue up to show who can type scum the most.
Tannedbaldhead said:
My gut feeling is if a cop says that's our shift parade I think we should take it at face value.
I saw lots of posts like this when BiBs were complaining about just how hard the cuts were biting into the service and the impact they were having on their ability to provide effective policing.
There was a consensus that the officers were exaggerating the problems and were motivated by a desire to maintain a lifestyle of drinking tea, eating donuts and sleeping in their patrol cars during nighshift. They were also told they are in the same boat as the rest of us and need to give themselves a shake and start working for a living after all "there's no such thing as a magic money tree".
Now one of these poor overstretched officers is dead. His family is heartbroken and here is the great PH forum taking his thread and using it to moan about coppers not doing their job properly and gypsies popping wheelies on motorbikes and racing horses on carts.
Pathetic.
You’re completely missing the point, or desperate to make yours which is what??I saw lots of posts like this when BiBs were complaining about just how hard the cuts were biting into the service and the impact they were having on their ability to provide effective policing.
There was a consensus that the officers were exaggerating the problems and were motivated by a desire to maintain a lifestyle of drinking tea, eating donuts and sleeping in their patrol cars during nighshift. They were also told they are in the same boat as the rest of us and need to give themselves a shake and start working for a living after all "there's no such thing as a magic money tree".
Now one of these poor overstretched officers is dead. His family is heartbroken and here is the great PH forum taking his thread and using it to moan about coppers not doing their job properly and gypsies popping wheelies on motorbikes and racing horses on carts.
Pathetic.
Edited by Tannedbaldhead on Tuesday 20th August 09:18
What people need to remember when comparing decades ago is that demand was also much less.
Few mobile phones.
A lot less technological crime or crime that has increased due to technology.
The variables of policing mean that there will sometimes be lots of people able to attend an incident (and it depends what it’s been called on as etc).
Few mobile phones.
A lot less technological crime or crime that has increased due to technology.
Gameface said:
All this talk of lack bodies available conflicts with my last brush with the law.
Resourcing issues don’t mean that must be apparent at every one of the millions of incidents that are called in to the police. The variables of policing mean that there will sometimes be lots of people able to attend an incident (and it depends what it’s been called on as etc).
Greendubber said:
Grahamdub said:
Greendubber said:
Yes, because there couldn't be anything else happening could there?
Probably not no. You are right and I bow to your superior wisdom. I live in a city of about 365k people. The response shift parades about 12 officers so 3 double crewed cars and the rest single crewed. At any one time there will probably be at least over 100 open logs if varying grades to deal with, anything from domestics, shop lifters, road traffic collisions, missing people, burglaries as well as dealing with people in custody etc.
Your big magic bottomless box of police officers simply doesn't exist.
shoestring7 said:
There are the same number of serving officers now as there were in the late 80s. What has changed are priorities and methods of policing.
It all needs a serious review.
What has changed is that demand has increased massively. Both in scope and volume. It all needs a serious review.
There were also nearly 10 million fewer people in the late 80s.
Greendubber said:
Grahamdub said:
Greendubber said:
Grahamdub said:
Greendubber said:
Yes, because there couldn't be anything else happening could there?
Probably not no. You are right and I bow to your superior wisdom. I live in a city of about 365k people. The response shift parades about 12 officers so 3 double crewed cars and the rest single crewed. At any one time there will probably be at least over 100 open logs if varying grades to deal with, anything from domestics, shop lifters, road traffic collisions, missing people, burglaries as well as dealing with people in custody etc.
Your big magic bottomless box of police officers simply doesn't exist.
Greendubber said:
Grahamdub said:
Greendubber said:
Grahamdub said:
Greendubber said:
Grahamdub said:
Greendubber said:
Yes, because there couldn't be anything else happening could there?
Probably not no. You are right and I bow to your superior wisdom. I live in a city of about 365k people. The response shift parades about 12 officers so 3 double crewed cars and the rest single crewed. At any one time there will probably be at least over 100 open logs if varying grades to deal with, anything from domestics, shop lifters, road traffic collisions, missing people, burglaries as well as dealing with people in custody etc.
Your big magic bottomless box of police officers simply doesn't exist.
turbobloke said:
There was an overall recorded crime increase of 14% reported in 2018.
Crime recorded by the police reflects police policy, action and inaction. If police target a particular type of offence as a matter of policy, one would hope detection increases and it usually does. Recorded crime figures respond accordingly. Depending on what gets targeted over the course of a year (and what isn't), overall recorded crime figures will respond accordingly.
The 14% rise in recorded police crime figures sits alongside a 10% fall in crime for the same period as measured by the Crime Survey of England and Wales.
The Crime Survey for England and Wales is a better source for reasons set out above. In terms of this thread, searches for crime committed by a particular category of culprit don't yield much, shame.
You're right about the CSEW being a better data source, but most recorded crime comes from people calling the police and having it recorded directly without any police officer involvement. Crime recorded by the police reflects police policy, action and inaction. If police target a particular type of offence as a matter of policy, one would hope detection increases and it usually does. Recorded crime figures respond accordingly. Depending on what gets targeted over the course of a year (and what isn't), overall recorded crime figures will respond accordingly.
The 14% rise in recorded police crime figures sits alongside a 10% fall in crime for the same period as measured by the Crime Survey of England and Wales.
The Crime Survey for England and Wales is a better source for reasons set out above. In terms of this thread, searches for crime committed by a particular category of culprit don't yield much, shame.
One of the main increases is the police are better at recording crime, which has been helped by recorded crime not being measured as 'performance' as we saw during the New Labour years, for example.
I mentioned I was worried some pages back.
I still am to be fair.
If you look I haven't joined in with some of the arguing that has gone on in this thread. I think a lot of it is unnecessary to be blunt.But it's what happens here and it was always inevitable really.
The guy that died was 28 and that really hit me. I dunno why I didn't know him but it really has.
You hope that you don't have your children go before you. I think the dignity and sadness of his loved ones has been heartbreaking.
I still am to be fair.
If you look I haven't joined in with some of the arguing that has gone on in this thread. I think a lot of it is unnecessary to be blunt.But it's what happens here and it was always inevitable really.
The guy that died was 28 and that really hit me. I dunno why I didn't know him but it really has.
You hope that you don't have your children go before you. I think the dignity and sadness of his loved ones has been heartbreaking.
Even if that's possible, the RK / driver isn't under an obligation to complete it.
I don't think they'll be too worried about the punishment for not doing so compared to the punishment for murder.
Missed these first time around:
I don't think they'll be too worried about the punishment for not doing so compared to the punishment for murder.
Missed these first time around:
Porsche guy said:
With respect LL, you do come across as possibly someone who has some kind of connection to the topic discussed, because do try to negate the negative aspects of their behaviour judging by your posts on this thread?
No connection to this case or travellers. I don't try to negate their negative behaviour at all. I am basically suggesting that (potentially) hundreds of thousands of people aren't running amok without consequence as people have proposed. Taylor James said:
There are a few problems. One widely discussed is that travellers will sometimes use force of numbers to frustrate arrests and investigations.
Do you agree that's a problem?
When dealing with the criminal element it can certainly be an issue. As it can with any gang / group of criminals, of course. Do you agree that's a problem?
steveT350C said:
Sky News Breaking
@SkyNewsBreak
Avon and Somerset Police says a police officer has suffered severe facial injuries while trying to detain a suspect in the Staple Hill area of Bristol
Just heard it on the local news. It was last night by the sound of it.@SkyNewsBreak
Avon and Somerset Police says a police officer has suffered severe facial injuries while trying to detain a suspect in the Staple Hill area of Bristol
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/po...
Red 4 said:
Grahamdub said:
steveT350C said:
Sky News Breaking
@SkyNewsBreak
Avon and Somerset Police says a police officer has suffered severe facial injuries while trying to detain a suspect in the Staple Hill area of Bristol
Just heard it on the local news. It was last night by the sound of it.@SkyNewsBreak
Avon and Somerset Police says a police officer has suffered severe facial injuries while trying to detain a suspect in the Staple Hill area of Bristol
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/po...
As grim as that job sounds it is not unusual for officers to be injured.
Eg. In the last week 4 officers have been hospitalised near to me.
2 last week (on the same night but at different jobs - both assaulted).
2 last night - (same job - both assaulted.
I hope the officer in Bristol is OK but this will be forgotten by tomorrow and things will go on as they are.
It needs to stop.
Brads67 said:
I'm pretty sure they would have had an inkling it was s before turning out to the job, so why they never went in mob handed is baffling.
It totally depends on what information was reported. s before turning out to the job, so why they never went in mob handed is baffling.'Mob-handed' more often than not means delays in the response.
Sometimes it's appropriate - like reports of 20 people fighting in a pub where multiple have called / corroborated it. A burglary in progress, as this appears to be, rarely needs that sort of thing.
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