Police Officer killed on duty

[pavarotti1980]

R Mutt said:

Well they did after he'd got wound up about standing there for 2 hours. Is that the tactic to get someone down the station? Why 4 vehicles to have a chat with someone if no grounds for arrest?

Edited by R Mutt on Wednesday 2nd October 11:59

Since I wasnt there i dont know.

Why didnt you ask them since you managed to spend long enough dreaming up what was happening?

[R Mutt]

pavarotti1980 said:

Since I wasnt there i dont know.

Why didnt you ask them since you managed to spend long enough dreaming up what was happening?

I observed it from the window over the 2 hour period. What did I dream up, that he'd become aggravated after standing there for that time? Obviously I'm playing devils advocating in suggesting it's a technique to end up nicking someone but why would the approach not be to deal with it as quick as possible to avoid escalation?

[Shakermaker]

R Mutt said:

I observed it from the window over the 2 hour period. What did I dream up, that he'd become aggravated after standing there for that time? Obviously I'm playing devils advocating in suggesting it's a technique to end up nicking someone but why would the approach not be to deal with it as quick as possible to avoid escalation?

It may be possible to find what he's been arrested for if you go on your local police website, or that of your local newspaper who will often (maybe weekly) have updates of what the police have been doing in your area/the area you have been in, might explain it even if it doesn't specifically name the person. Or they may only choose to do this after a formal charge

[Greendubber]

R Mutt said:

pavarotti1980 said:

Since I wasnt there i dont know.

Why didnt you ask them since you managed to spend long enough dreaming up what was happening?

I observed it from the window over the 2 hour period. What did I dream up, that he'd become aggravated after standing there for that time? Obviously I'm playing devils advocating in suggesting it's a technique to end up nicking someone but why would the approach not be to deal with it as quick as possible to avoid escalation?

Could it have been a missing person, someone in crisis that ended up with no other alternative than to arrest after being spoke to for some time, who knows.

You won't get an answer on here as I doubt anyone knows what happened in one particular police interaction with a member of the otublic out of the millions that happen each year.

[R Mutt]

Greendubber said:

Could it have been a missing person, someone in crisis that ended up with no other alternative than to arrest after being spoke to for some time, who knows.

You won't get an answer on here as I doubt anyone knows what happened in one particular police interaction with a member of the otublic out of the millions that happen each year.

Interesting suggestion. Thanks

[pavarotti1980]

R Mutt said:

I observed it from the window over the 2 hour period. What did I dream up, that he'd become aggravated after standing there for that time? Obviously I'm playing devils advocating in suggesting it's a technique to end up nicking someone but why would the approach not be to deal with it as quick as possible to avoid escalation?

Dreamt the reason for his arrest or maybe detaining under MHA.

Unless you had asked the copper then you wouldnt know and really none of your business either

[R Mutt]

I didn't imply his change in behaviour was mental health related, merely that he'd got frustrated with being stood there, thus resulting in his arrest which for the reasons I'd like to examine, didn't occur in the previous 2 hours. That's all. They may have wanted him for something heinous and had to confirm his identity, but it's more the process than the nature of the crime I'm interested in.

[rallycross]

good clip off you tube here that shows the chaos of trying to stop potentially armed scum in london, used a stinger to stop them but that was not enough.

https://youtu.be/VzubyjXlehE

[V1nce Fox]

rallycross said:

good clip off you tube here that shows the chaos of trying to stop potentially armed scum in london, used a stinger to stop them but that was not enough.

https://youtu.be/VzubyjXlehE

That door glass break with the barrel. 10/10.

[pavarotti1980]

R Mutt said:

I didn't imply his change in behaviour was mental health related, merely that he'd got frustrated with being stood there, thus resulting in his arrest which for the reasons I'd like to examine, didn't occur in the previous 2 hours. That's all. They may have wanted him for something heinous and had to confirm his identity, but it's more the process than the nature of the crime I'm interested in.

Why would you want to examine it?

[rambo19]

V1nce Fox said:

That door glass break with the barrel. 10/10.

he will be in the poop for that.

[Greendubber]

rambo19 said:

V1nce Fox said:

That door glass break with the barrel. 10/10.

he will be in the poop for that.

No he won't.

[Derek Smith]

Shakermaker said:

R Mutt said:

I observed it from the window over the 2 hour period. What did I dream up, that he'd become aggravated after standing there for that time? Obviously I'm playing devils advocating in suggesting it's a technique to end up nicking someone but why would the approach not be to deal with it as quick as possible to avoid escalation?

It may be possible to find what he's been arrested for if you go on your local police website, or that of your local newspaper who will often (maybe weekly) have updates of what the police have been doing in your area/the area you have been in, might explain it even if it doesn't specifically name the person. Or they may only choose to do this after a formal charge

I was walking with my wife along Horse Guards Road, on the park side, in early September this year; a wedding anniversary treat. As we came to the parade ground, opposite the memorial, with mounted officers forming a square, a cyclist was coming in the opposite direction, on the same side of the road as the FCO. A police car drove past, then along came a black police van. A police van behind stopped some distance before the parade ground.

The first van matched the bike for speed when alongside, and the rider spoke with someone inside. The cyclist then speeded up. The van passed the cyclist and pulled in front of it. Two police officers got out of the side door and took hold of the cyclist’s arms while he was still astride the bike. The bloke got off his bike and another officer took hold of it. The prisoner, for that was what he was, was pressed up against a balustrade and handcuffed. He was turned around. He was questioned. The prisoner appeared to be saying something forcefully to the officers.

The prisoner was Mediterranean in appearance, and had a big black beard.

We’d stopped to see what was going on and there was a small crowd around us. Some appeared to be foreign.

One young woman was telling everyone that it was ‘unfair’ that there were ‘five’ (there were four) police officers around the prisoner. That they were handling him forcefully (force was being used but there was no violence), and they were only picking on him because he looked Arab[ic]. When she said, to three or four others who appeared to agree with her, that there was no need to handcuff him, my wife let go of my arm, knowing I was going to get involved.

I asked the young woman why she/they thought the chap had been arrested. I was told because he looked like a muslim. I asked if she thought police officers went around arresting all people who look vaguely muslim. I got no reply. I asked her if the police might have thought that the person might be a bomber as there was a bag in the box on the back of the bike, and that if so, wouldn’t it be a good idea to take hold of his arms in case he might detonate it, in which case the actions were reasonable, and not a little brave of the four (I emphasised the four) officers.

I was told, as I’d hoped, that I had no idea why they’d stopped him. I gave her, and her little group, one of my smug smiles, of which I have many, and said, ‘Neither do you.’ I said, ‘Nice to have met you,’ and walked off.

I was told by my wife, not really critically, that she knew I could not ‘leave it alone, even now’. I think the even now reference was because I’ve been retired from police work for 14 years.

Had I known the reason for the officers' actions, it would probably have all become clear.

[Porsche guy]

Derek Smith said:

I was walking with my wife along Horse Guards Road, on the park side, in early September this year; a wedding anniversary treat. As we came to the parade ground, opposite the memorial, with mounted officers forming a square, a cyclist was coming in the opposite direction, on the same side of the road as the FCO. A police car drove past, then along came a black police van. A police van behind stopped some distance before the parade ground.

The first van matched the bike for speed when alongside, and the rider spoke with someone inside. The cyclist then speeded up. The van passed the cyclist and pulled in front of it. Two police officers got out of the side door and took hold of the cyclist’s arms while he was still astride the bike. The bloke got off his bike and another officer took hold of it. The prisoner, for that was what he was, was pressed up against a balustrade and handcuffed. He was turned around. He was questioned. The prisoner appeared to be saying something forcefully to the officers.

The prisoner was Mediterranean in appearance, and had a big black beard.

We’d stopped to see what was going on and there was a small crowd around us. Some appeared to be foreign.

One young woman was telling everyone that it was ‘unfair’ that there were ‘five’ (there were four) police officers around the prisoner. That they were handling him forcefully (force was being used but there was no violence), and they were only picking on him because he looked Arab[ic]. When she said, to three or four others who appeared to agree with her, that there was no need to handcuff him, my wife let go of my arm, knowing I was going to get involved.

I asked the young woman why she/they thought the chap had been arrested. I was told because he looked like a muslim. I asked if she thought police officers went around arresting all people who look vaguely muslim. I got no reply. I asked her if the police might have thought that the person might be a bomber as there was a bag in the box on the back of the bike, and that if so, wouldn’t it be a good idea to take hold of his arms in case he might detonate it, in which case the actions were reasonable, and not a little brave of the four (I emphasised the four) officers.

I was told, as I’d hoped, that I had no idea why they’d stopped him. I gave her, and her little group, one of my smug smiles, of which I have many, and said, ‘Neither do you.’ I said, ‘Nice to have met you,’ and walked off.

I was told by my wife, not really critically, that she knew I could not ‘leave it alone, even now’. I think the even now reference was because I’ve been retired from police work for 14 years.

Had I known the reason for the officers' actions, it would probably have all become clear.

Good for you

[PurpleTurtle]

V1nce Fox said:

rallycross said:

good clip off you tube here that shows the chaos of trying to stop potentially armed scum in london, used a stinger to stop them but that was not enough.

https://youtu.be/VzubyjXlehE

That door glass break with the barrel. 10/10.

Yep. All we read in the press is about gangs and the Police losing control of the streets.

This is an impressive show of force, I'd like to buy those cops a beer.

[kuro]

PurpleTurtle said:

V1nce Fox said:

rallycross said:

good clip off you tube here that shows the chaos of trying to stop potentially armed scum in london, used a stinger to stop them but that was not enough.

https://youtu.be/VzubyjXlehE

That door glass break with the barrel. 10/10.

Yep. All we read in the press is about gangs and the Police losing control of the streets.

This is an impressive show of force, I'd like to buy those cops a beer.

This incident happened only last Saturday and was the end result of a car chase from Enfield to Loughton, Essex.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&amp...

[rallycross]

kuro said:

This incident happened only last Saturday and was the end result of a car chase from Enfield to Loughton, Essex.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&amp...

If that report is correct then these 'villains' are actually just nasty little Street rats, London is full of these, and nothing is being done to sort it out.

[Tannedbaldhead]

rallycross said:

kuro said:

This incident happened only last Saturday and was the end result of a car chase from Enfield to Loughton, Essex.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&amp...

If that report is correct then these 'villains' are actually just nasty little Street rats, London is full of these, and nothing is being done to sort it out.

Looks like plod was doing a very good job sorting them out there.

[Bigends]

Tannedbaldhead said:

rallycross said:

kuro said:

This incident happened only last Saturday and was the end result of a car chase from Enfield to Loughton, Essex.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&amp...

If that report is correct then these 'villains' are actually just nasty little Street rats, London is full of these, and nothing is being done to sort it out.

Looks like plod was doing a very good job sorting them out there.

Two males charged with aggravated vehicle taking, Cannabis possession, dangerous driving and document offences. Girls released under investigation

[Laurel Green]

rallycross said:

If that report is correct then these 'villains' are actually just nasty little Street rats, London is full of these, and nothing is being done to sort it out.

There was an interesting programme on BBC1 yesterday evening at 9 o'clock - The Met: Policing London.

Worth a look if time is available for such--> Clicky.