Lets help Boris out, PH solutions to the backstop

[amusingduck]

wormus said:

Something like 26% of ROI are E.U. sceptics. Those who aren’t obviously like the security and historic grants given to businesses to relocate there. I wonder if they will think differently when the Eurozone falls into deeper recession when we leave. It’s not exactly in rude health. Politically probably a non starter to ask ROI to join the U.K. and leave with us.

Shouldn't they be more worried about the EU ending their lucrative corporate tax rates?

ft said:

Corporation tax receipts rose by €850mn to €8.2bn in 2017, comprising 16 per cent of total tax revenues. In addition, the 10 largest companies in the country pay €3bn between them. “The top 10 firms account for about 6 per cent of total tax revenue flowing to the state,” Mr McCarthy said.

[anonymous-user]

Integroo said:

Do you genuinely believe that we will leave, the Eurozone will fall into a deep recession and everything will be rosy here in the UK?

It’s on the brink of recession as it is as there are too many members taking money out and Germany as the biggest net contributor is suffering. We are the second, what do you think will happen when we leave and take our ball with us?

[DaveTheRave87]

Keep the border as it is under the Good Friday Agreement.

Decline to put any border check in the Irish Sea or any other part of UK territory.

Let the EU work out what it wants to do and respect their decision.

[GT03ROB]

banjowilly said:

Or that Ireland will throw away its very identity to join us?

Yet dilute it's identity in the United States of Europe? It's identity is more of our isles than european.

By the way I'm joking about reunification.... whilst probably a more sensible solution it will never happen.

[Marcellus]

poo at Paul's said:

Make it like the Swiss borders. Main routes for trucks etc manned, camera's etc, smaller routes in manned between certain hours, camera'd others, and if you want to wade across fields and mountains for miles, get on with it and climb the odd fence here and there.

This, like they do in France, if you live locally to the border then you have free movement over it, at the border points which are manned they even have their own fast track lane!

[anonymous-user]

banjowilly said:

Or that Ireland will throw away its very identity to join us?

It could retain its independence and identity as a Crown dependency.

[banjowilly]

GT03ROB said:

banjowilly said:

Or that Ireland will throw away its very identity to join us?

Yet dilute it's identity in the United States of Europe? It's identity is more of our isles than european.

By the way I'm joking about reunification.... whilst probably a more sensible solution it will never happen.

Setting aside the staggering arrogance of this, name one country that opted to merge with another to avoid a recession.

[wisbech]

GT03ROB said:

Reunification of Ireland, under the Union Jack, we can put some orange & green in the flag just to please everybody. Will suit the EU too. With UK gone the Irish economy will need even more by way of EU subsidies.

Rather than ethnic cleansing- political cleansing. A one off deal that all Irish and U.K. passport holders can choose remain or leave. Then Eire and a proportional amount of the U.K. stays in the EU, and the rest splits off. Yes, there is still a land border but as it is now between Brexitia and Remainland, GFA is no longer needed. The economic boost from millions needing to move home will ensure no recession

Job jobbed

[Integroo]

wormus said:

Integroo said:

Do you genuinely believe that we will leave, the Eurozone will fall into a deep recession and everything will be rosy here in the UK?

It’s on the brink of recession as it is as there are too many members taking money out and Germany as the biggest net contributor is suffering. We are the second, what do you think will happen when we leave and take our ball with us?

You are ignoring the fact that we are on the brink of recession. Brexit, especially a no-deal Brexit, is likely to push the UK into recession. We are likely to feel the effects much, much worse than the EU.

[TartanPaint]

Vaud said:

PSB1 said:

Or 'stick it in the cloud'?? Or, um...blockchain - yeah - blockchain!!

You missed out "AI" and "Edge computing analytics" for the full house.

I was going to suggest Machine Learning, but you've already mentioned AI and the two terms are 100% interchangeable.

[KTF]

Marcellus said:

poo at Paul's said:

Make it like the Swiss borders. Main routes for trucks etc manned, camera's etc, smaller routes in manned between certain hours, camera'd others, and if you want to wade across fields and mountains for miles, get on with it and climb the odd fence here and there.

This, like they do in France, if you live locally to the border then you have free movement over it, at the border points which are manned they even have their own fast track lane!

A manned or unmanned anything on the border might as well have a target painted on it because it would be blown up in no time at all.

Good luck finding any 'volunteers' to sit in the hut asking to see the paperwork as well.

[Halmyre]

First off, the name. Backstop is so negative. Change it to Forwardstart.

Then, sell the Republic of Ireland to the US. They will build a wall and get Northern Ireland to pay for it.

[anonymous-user]

Integroo said:

You are ignoring the fact that we are on the brink of recession. Brexit, especially a no-deal Brexit, is likely to push the UK into recession. We are likely to feel the effects much, much worse than the EU.

I don’t agree at all, if the E.U. was such a great thing, why is it it’s struggling so badly when other countries of the world are doing fine? Right now it’s the anxiety of what might happen that’s keeping us in the doldrums.

I’m in the Isle of Man at the moment and the people here aren’t worried very much about Brexit, the only thing they think will be a problem is a loss of lettuce and cucumbers imported from Spain. Economy here is OK and they have lower unemployment than us. If one little island in the Irish Sea can manage then why can’t another?

[Vaud]

TartanPaint said:

I was going to suggest Machine Learning, but you've already mentioned AI and the two terms are 100% interchangeable.

We could have "supervised and unsupervised machine learning"?

[Alex]

IREXIT

[stongle]

Threaten the biggest tariffs ever on French wine and cheese. Sit back and watch as French farmers burn the country to dust or rinse the EU coffers of subsidies. Wait for Germany to offer the FTA.

Profit.

[speedyman]

How about just put the WA. On hold and then negotiate for a free trade agreement with the EU. Sorry forgot EU won't do that because it's not their problem and the WA. Must come first. Its the Eu that is being intransigent to keep us in.

[Jinx]

banjowilly said:

Setting aside the staggering arrogance of this, name one country that opted to merge with another to avoid a recession.

[cough] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme[/cough]

[Integroo]

wormus said:

Integroo said:

You are ignoring the fact that we are on the brink of recession. Brexit, especially a no-deal Brexit, is likely to push the UK into recession. We are likely to feel the effects much, much worse than the EU.

I don’t agree at all, if the E.U. was such a great thing, why is it it’s struggling so badly when other countries of the world are doing fine? Right now it’s the anxiety of what might happen that’s keeping us in the doldrums.

I’m in the Isle of Man at the moment and the people here aren’t worried very much about Brexit, the only thing they think will be a problem is a loss of lettuce and cucumbers imported from Spain. Economy here is OK and they have lower unemployment than us. If one little island in the Irish Sea can manage then why can’t another?

Let me wonder about why the economies of the Isle of Man and the UK might be somewhat different ... the Isle of Man, an island with the population of a small town and a GDP of over 80k per capita ... the UK, an island with a population of 70m and a GDP of less than half that of the Isle of Man ... and in any event, a couple of anecdotes from your mates on the Isle of Man is not evidence of anything at all.

Oh, and I am not so sure that your statement that the EU is doing so much worse than the rest of the world is true at all. I don't have stats in front of me (do you?), but the news reports suggests China's economy is in slowdown, the US is on the brink of a recession, it ain't just the EU. We live in a global economy nowadays.

[Marcellus]

KTF said:

Marcellus said:

poo at Paul's said:

Make it like the Swiss borders. Main routes for trucks etc manned, camera's etc, smaller routes in manned between certain hours, camera'd others, and if you want to wade across fields and mountains for miles, get on with it and climb the odd fence here and there.

This, like they do in France, if you live locally to the border then you have free movement over it, at the border points which are manned they even have their own fast track lane!

A manned or unmanned anything on the border might as well have a target painted on it because it would be blown up in no time at all.

Good luck finding any 'volunteers' to sit in the hut asking to see the paperwork as well.

As in Northern Ireland you're never more than 50km of the border and in southern Ireland you're never more than 2/300km? then everyone would have freedom of movement into southern ireland, iirc in France you can be within 2/300km of the Border and still apply for the freedom of movement pass into Switzerland.

So reality is anyone coming into Ireland and then crossing the Border would be subject to checks/inspections/tarifs etc etc which you could do at the entry port.