MPs say car ownership not compatible with decarbonisation

[rxe]

fblm said:

I pity anyone needing to travel mid morning after the pre-school run.

The problem with all these models is that they can’t handle the school run. Or bank holiday Friday. They’re really good for an edge case of (say) retired people who can shift their journeys to some unpopular time. They simply can’t get everyone to work/school on time.

[A Winner Is You]

rxe said:

fblm said:

I pity anyone needing to travel mid morning after the pre-school run.

The problem with all these models is that they can’t handle the school run. Or bank holiday Friday. They’re really good for an edge case of (say) retired people who can shift their journeys to some unpopular time. They simply can’t get everyone to work/school on time.

That assumes you'd even be allowed one. Would be very easy to blacklist people or addresses, perhaps those who have emitted too much carbon in the permitted period.

[s2art]

A Winner Is You said:

rxe said:

fblm said:

I pity anyone needing to travel mid morning after the pre-school run.

The problem with all these models is that they can’t handle the school run. Or bank holiday Friday. They’re really good for an edge case of (say) retired people who can shift their journeys to some unpopular time. They simply can’t get everyone to work/school on time.

That assumes you'd even be allowed one. Would be very easy to blacklist people or addresses, perhaps those who have emitted too much carbon in the permitted period.

One way to get voted out. Corbyn might try it, if he could ever form a government.

[powerstroke]

Public say Mp's not compatible with real world !!!!

[poo at Paul's]

frisbee said:

How the hell are we supposed to store this liquid petroleum substance? Are you seriously expecting me to pour 100 pint bottles of the substance into the blasted contraption's tank?

A quarter bucket of oats and a bit of hay are far more practical.

And what about if I suddenly decide to travel to Outer mongolia? With old Betsy I can just stop anywhere and fill her up in any field.

Not to mention she is self driving...

Your sarcasm though is misplaced as the inception of the ICE and cars running on the petrol you describe, was better in every single parameter you mention than a horse and cart.
You forget that the first cars were steam powered, great big hugne things (mighty iompresive if you can see one nowadays) that took hours to get boiling, and whilst went along at a fair old rate, were nowhere near as convenient for most people as the horse and cars they replaced.
Of course they could still go longer and faster, something EVs not yet there on, the longer bit I mean, and affordable ones, the faster bit too.

[frisbee]

poo at Paul's said:

frisbee said:

How the hell are we supposed to store this liquid petroleum substance? Are you seriously expecting me to pour 100 pint bottles of the substance into the blasted contraption's tank?

A quarter bucket of oats and a bit of hay are far more practical.

And what about if I suddenly decide to travel to Outer mongolia? With old Betsy I can just stop anywhere and fill her up in any field.

Not to mention she is self driving...

Your sarcasm though is misplaced as the inception of the ICE and cars running on the petrol you describe, was better in every single parameter you mention than a horse and cart.
You forget that the first cars were steam powered, great big hugne things (mighty iompresive if you can see one nowadays) that took hours to get boiling, and whilst went along at a fair old rate, were nowhere near as convenient for most people as the horse and cars they replaced.
Of course they could still go longer and faster, something EVs not yet there on, the longer bit I mean, and affordable ones, the faster bit too.

Impressive how you've managed to get my post completely backwards. But that wasn't even the point I was making.

My point is, technology moves on, and the pace is increasing. Battery powered electric vehicles might be the future, they might not be. But whatever is around in 20 years time will be what people have convinced themselves they want in 20 years time. A 2011 Mondeo isn't an LP record.

[turbobloke]

frisbee said:

poo at Paul's said:

frisbee said:

How the hell are we supposed to store this liquid petroleum substance? Are you seriously expecting me to pour 100 pint bottles of the substance into the blasted contraption's tank?

A quarter bucket of oats and a bit of hay are far more practical.

And what about if I suddenly decide to travel to Outer mongolia? With old Betsy I can just stop anywhere and fill her up in any field.

Not to mention she is self driving...

Your sarcasm though is misplaced as the inception of the ICE and cars running on the petrol you describe, was better in every single parameter you mention than a horse and cart.
You forget that the first cars were steam powered, great big hugne things (mighty iompresive if you can see one nowadays) that took hours to get boiling, and whilst went along at a fair old rate, were nowhere near as convenient for most people as the horse and cars they replaced.
Of course they could still go longer and faster, something EVs not yet there on, the longer bit I mean, and affordable ones, the faster bit too.

Impressive how you've managed to get my post completely backwards. But that wasn't even the point I was making.

My point is, technology moves on, and the pace is increasing. Battery powered electric vehicles might be the future, they might not be.

They were the cars of the past, ca 1900 approx 40% of US cars were electric but this approach was ditched in favour of petrol engined cars for very good reasons which are still applicable.

Horsepower of the animal variety has had some unpleasant health and safety impacts, previously ignored. A large city with at least 10,000 adult horses working the streets at the turn of the century would have seen an annual dump of 55 million kg of manure, a lot ending up as powder in the air, along with 3.5 million gallons of urine, and over 1000 deaths involving carriages (that’s for 1 city).

That amount of yummy waste material around today would be enough to support an additional 15 billion flies.

[2gins]

fblm said:

I pity anyone needing to travel mid morning after the pre-school run.

I pity anyone coming off a graveyard shift at say 2 am after the clubs have kicked out.

[anonymous-user]

2gins said:

fblm said:

I pity anyone needing to travel mid morning after the pre-school run.

I pity anyone coming off a graveyard shift at say 2 am after the clubs have kicked out.

That sounds like a challenge. I'll put my 4 year old and a piece of toast and jam up against 3 of your clubbers!

[Digga]

rxe said:

retired people who can shift their journeys to some unpopular time

Would these be the same retireds that made up about 50% of the people I was queuing behind in my local butchers at 9am on a Saturday morning on a hot Bank Holiday weekend?

[oyster]

phil4 said:

Funk said:

Also on the days it's pissing with rain or snowing I can't think of anything I'd rather do less than trudge along getting cold and soaked.

And that's one of the bits they seem to miss when ever they start talking about cycling/walking and the associated infrastructure... we're coming upto autumn now, we've had a good few months of sunny/warm weather on the whole so of course lots of walking and cycling. The next six months however is liable to be a lot colder and wetter, and just watch those numbers fall.

Ideally they need a plan that works year round... not just when it's warm and sunny.

The next 6 months will be colder of course, but we don't have rainy seasons in the UK.

[Pan Pan Pan]

As others have correctly posted, it seems MP`s who have their paid on expenses lodgings near Westminster,, and don't generally have to travel, seem to be non compatible with reality.

[rxe]

Digga said:

ould these be the same retireds that made up about 50% of the people I was queuing behind in my local butchers at 9am on a Saturday morning on a hot Bank Holiday weekend?

Yes, and no, I don’t understand it. My mother (88 and long retired) always goes shopping on Saturday. Without fail she complains that Henley has become very busy in the last few years.

I have no idea why, tried to explain that there are other days of the week, but she is having none of it.

[s2art]

oyster said:

The next 6 months will be colder of course, but we don't have rainy seasons in the UK.

Yes we do! They are called Spring, Summer, Autumn and Winter.

[dudleybloke]

Maybe to test their theory all MPs should be banned from traveling in cars for the next 5 years.
Including ministerial cars, private cars, and friends and families cars.

[A Winner Is You]

2gins said:

fblm said:

I pity anyone needing to travel mid morning after the pre-school run.

I pity anyone coming off a graveyard shift at say 2 am after the clubs have kicked out.

Which does bring up an interesting moral point - if there aren't enough pods to go round, who will decide which journies take priority? And could people be banned or blacklisted from using them?

[frisbee]

If it is anything like the bikes or scooters the problem won't be too few of them...

[avinalarf]

Feck em.....no hanging , no fox hunting , no stocks. no drowning witches , and now they have to stick their noses into one of the few pleasures I have left....barstewards.

[jet_noise]

s2art said:

oyster said:

The next 6 months will be colder of course, but we don't have rainy seasons in the UK.

Yes we do! They are called Spring, Summer, Autumn and Winter.

[xjay1337]

RobDickinson said:

Those ranges are pretty standard you can go look up range test all day. the what car test is terribly broken

I do think that an electric car would make sense for most people only if :


1) you could get a legitimate 300 mile range , in the rain, in the wind, at night at 70mph. so you'd be likely aiming for a realistic 375-400 mile dry range
2) you could charge from say 10% to maximum charge in around 30 minutes at a designated fast charging point (IE petrol stations with capacity for everyone to be wanting to charge up)
3) there were sufficiently powerful chargers installed at home to fully charge in 6 hours (obviously this opens another can of worms regarding street charging, capacity, parking spots etc).

To be honest I don't see how that couldn't be achieved for most of the country with relative ease.

The point of technology is to go forwards and having to do 150 miles then wait 45 minutes to charge up with 100 miles of extra range is a HUGE step backwards.