Zombie knife attack/“bagging”
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Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
The wife was telling me about this. She was working on a hospital ward dealing with post-surgery colon, GI etc and mentioned a few youngsters (late teens/early twenties) were needing colostomy bags. She obviously never assumed it was due to stabbing, however a few of the younger patients had a constant police guard and it was revealed by another nurse they were the victims of a gang stabbing.
Guess this is what is in the OP
Bearing in mind she was only there for 5 weeks, she counted 6 different patients suffering the same.
This was London?Guess this is what is in the OP
Bearing in mind she was only there for 5 weeks, she counted 6 different patients suffering the same.
Halb said:
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
The wife was telling me about this. She was working on a hospital ward dealing with post-surgery colon, GI etc and mentioned a few youngsters (late teens/early twenties) were needing colostomy bags. She obviously never assumed it was due to stabbing, however a few of the younger patients had a constant police guard and it was revealed by another nurse they were the victims of a gang stabbing.
Guess this is what is in the OP
Bearing in mind she was only there for 5 weeks, she counted 6 different patients suffering the same.
This was London?Guess this is what is in the OP
Bearing in mind she was only there for 5 weeks, she counted 6 different patients suffering the same.
dazwalsh said:
CoolHands said:
I’ve taught in London for a long time. They have the same chances as everyone really. For example I taught this kid Joshua Clements (zombie knife stabbings)
https://ukcctvservices.co.uk/2017/09/02/teenage-th...
There’s no reason other than his choices that he liked going and robbing people, stabbing people, selling crack. Note he turned up to the event with others to rob.
I taught 1 of these, who committed dozens of moped crimes:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/london-moped...
1 of these (murder):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17810...
And many many more. They all had every chance given to them at school, and some. But still did what they wanted, and have ruined other people’s lives. There’s no excuse.
It must be just about the most depressing parts of being a teacher watching a young child turn into a monster because of a shttps://ukcctvservices.co.uk/2017/09/02/teenage-th...
There’s no reason other than his choices that he liked going and robbing people, stabbing people, selling crack. Note he turned up to the event with others to rob.
I taught 1 of these, who committed dozens of moped crimes:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/london-moped...
1 of these (murder):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17810...
And many many more. They all had every chance given to them at school, and some. But still did what they wanted, and have ruined other people’s lives. There’s no excuse.
tty home life and the lure of gangs destroying any respect or morals they ever had. Could you see any warning signs with the above kids?
"Please turn to page 37, carjacking."
foobies said:
A colleague told me about this story the other day. Not sure where they heard about it but the only link I could find is from the DM...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk...
I haven’t been able to shake this story off my mind since I read it. Not so much for the specific attack reported on, but due to this paragraph:
“The location of the attack is known as 'bagging' among gangs, where a person's lower body is targeted so they have to wear a colostomy bag for the rest of their life - the ultimate humiliation.”
Still can’t believe what I’ve read. I mean, wtf?
Got me thinking, how do you even punish someone who does a “bagging”?
The fellow in this article got a rehab order, a curfew and some unpaid work. I’m just not sure that punishment fits what is an absolutely heinous crime?
This used to be known as "Turkish revenge", if someone pulled a knife on you and you managed to get it off of them, stabbing and slicing the buttocks was a method of inflicting lasting damage. This, along with slicing the soles of the feet was also used as a method of compliance among some of the less polite members of society.https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk...
I haven’t been able to shake this story off my mind since I read it. Not so much for the specific attack reported on, but due to this paragraph:
“The location of the attack is known as 'bagging' among gangs, where a person's lower body is targeted so they have to wear a colostomy bag for the rest of their life - the ultimate humiliation.”
Still can’t believe what I’ve read. I mean, wtf?
Got me thinking, how do you even punish someone who does a “bagging”?
The fellow in this article got a rehab order, a curfew and some unpaid work. I’m just not sure that punishment fits what is an absolutely heinous crime?
Now, I am repeating what was told to me, so I'm NOT sure if this is accurate, but also stabbing below the waist was also the difference between GBH and attempted murder in a court, or, as was said to me at the time, "depending upon your brief".
Either way, it's a horrible , evil and extremely violent attack. My wife is a Nurse and has seen first hand this kind of assault and the problems associated with it which are not just physical, but long term mental issues as well,so again the taxpayer foots the bill, and crimes like this are not short term recoveries, but lifelong afflictions and another burden upon an already strained system.
foobies said:
Got me thinking, how do you even punish someone who does a “bagging”?
The fellow in this article got a rehab order, a curfew and some unpaid work. I’m just not sure that punishment fits what is an absolutely heinous crime?
You've got the wrong bloke. The one given the rehab order (after having spent 8 months locked up on remand) was the one found guilty of shooting the guy with a BB gun. The one who stabbed him was still awaiting sentencing, I think?The fellow in this article got a rehab order, a curfew and some unpaid work. I’m just not sure that punishment fits what is an absolutely heinous crime?
texaxile said:
This used to be known as "Turkish revenge", if someone pulled a knife on you and you managed to get it off of them, stabbing and slicing the buttocks was a method of inflicting lasting damage. This, along with slicing the soles of the feet was also used as a method of compliance among some of the less polite members of society.
Now, I am repeating what was told to me, so I'm NOT sure if this is accurate, but also stabbing below the waist was also the difference between GBH and attempted murder in a court, or, as was said to me at the time, "depending upon your brief".
Either way, it's a horrible , evil and extremely violent attack. My wife is a Nurse and has seen first hand this kind of assault and the problems associated with it which are not just physical, but long term mental issues as well,so again the taxpayer foots the bill, and crimes like this are not short term recoveries, but lifelong afflictions and another burden upon an already strained system.
Now, I am repeating what was told to me, so I'm NOT sure if this is accurate, but also stabbing below the waist was also the difference between GBH and attempted murder in a court, or, as was said to me at the time, "depending upon your brief".
Either way, it's a horrible , evil and extremely violent attack. My wife is a Nurse and has seen first hand this kind of assault and the problems associated with it which are not just physical, but long term mental issues as well,so again the taxpayer foots the bill, and crimes like this are not short term recoveries, but lifelong afflictions and another burden upon an already strained system.
All total b
ks, Turkish Revenge ? 
If someone is trying to plunge you and you take the blade off them, they will
A) Be doing one up the road quick smart
B) Be doing one up the road double quick smart.
If scumheads want to go around opening each other up, this has to be a win for the benefits system? No ?
hman said:
The punishment should fit the crime - if it’s an intentional life changing injury, then the perpetrator should be punished to the same severity for the same period.
In the case of a a colostomy bag for the victim then life in a cat d prison without parole.
Think you got your cats mixed up. Cat d is easy street.In the case of a a colostomy bag for the victim then life in a cat d prison without parole.
Ever been to one? I have (in a professional capacity) and it’s not easy street - this is normally the last stop before being released so the inmates there get to see the other inmates released on a nearly daily basis.
Now imagine if you can only be released once your victim has fully recovered - whilst other offenders are released after a fixed term inside nearly everyday.
Yes, it’s not as locked down as a cat a,b,c but wounding isn’t the same as murdering or raping or being a kiddy fiddler (those deserve cat a-c) so like I say the punishment has to fit the crime.
Having visited quite a few prisons over the years I would say that in cat a-c the institutionalisation dictates a regime which a prisoner has to conform to and therefore makes them face inwards, away from the outside world as they know they are either never getting out or it’s too long to think about. Cat D gives the hope of imminent release, which would be pretty tortuous if it took as long as the victim took to recover.
Now imagine if you can only be released once your victim has fully recovered - whilst other offenders are released after a fixed term inside nearly everyday.
Yes, it’s not as locked down as a cat a,b,c but wounding isn’t the same as murdering or raping or being a kiddy fiddler (those deserve cat a-c) so like I say the punishment has to fit the crime.
Having visited quite a few prisons over the years I would say that in cat a-c the institutionalisation dictates a regime which a prisoner has to conform to and therefore makes them face inwards, away from the outside world as they know they are either never getting out or it’s too long to think about. Cat D gives the hope of imminent release, which would be pretty tortuous if it took as long as the victim took to recover.
Kermit power said:
You've got the wrong bloke. The one given the rehab order (after having spent 8 months locked up on remand) was the one found guilty of shooting the guy with a BB gun. The one who stabbed him was still awaiting sentencing, I think?
You’re right, sorry. Fingers crossed he gets an appropriate sentence in that case, however I’ll not hold my breath.hman said:
Ever been to one? I have (in a professional capacity) and it’s not easy street - this is normally the last stop before being released so the inmates there get to see the other inmates released on a nearly daily basis.
Now imagine if you can only be released once your victim has fully recovered - whilst other offenders are released after a fixed term inside nearly everyday.
Yes, it’s not as locked down as a cat a,b,c but wounding isn’t the same as murdering or raping or being a kiddy fiddler (those deserve cat a-c) so like I say the punishment has to fit the crime.
Having visited quite a few prisons over the years I would say that in cat a-c the institutionalisation dictates a regime which a prisoner has to conform to and therefore makes them face inwards, away from the outside world as they know they are either never getting out or it’s too long to think about. Cat D gives the hope of imminent release, which would be pretty tortuous if it took as long as the victim took to recover.
The only time a lifer would be in a cat d was once he had a parole date, and even then, more likely a bail/parole hostel.Now imagine if you can only be released once your victim has fully recovered - whilst other offenders are released after a fixed term inside nearly everyday.
Yes, it’s not as locked down as a cat a,b,c but wounding isn’t the same as murdering or raping or being a kiddy fiddler (those deserve cat a-c) so like I say the punishment has to fit the crime.
Having visited quite a few prisons over the years I would say that in cat a-c the institutionalisation dictates a regime which a prisoner has to conform to and therefore makes them face inwards, away from the outside world as they know they are either never getting out or it’s too long to think about. Cat D gives the hope of imminent release, which would be pretty tortuous if it took as long as the victim took to recover.
Lifers don’t usually get on that well with the pettier sides of criminality. Especially if they are at the end of a 12 stretch. (Give or take a few years)
Aluminati said:
All total b
ks, Turkish Revenge ? If someone is trying to plunge you and you take the blade off them, they will
A) Be doing one up the road quick smart
B) Be doing one up the road double quick smart.
If scumheads want to go around opening each other up, this has to be a win for the benefits system? No ?
ks but the act itself is not.It isn't a win for the benefits system at all, it's a case of maybe putting someone inside, someone recovering from a "bagging" will be needed lifelong treatment, operations and likely won't be able to work in any number of jobs depending upon the severity of the injury, and will most likely be registered disabled at some point, so I'd like to see how you think that's a win for the benefits system.
Let the scumheads kill each other, fine in my book, but they don't and as a result taxpayers like me and you end up footing the bill at the end of it.
Edited by texaxile on Monday 26th August 22:15
Edited by texaxile on Monday 26th August 22:16
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