80 years ago today - Britain Declares War on Germany

80 years ago today - Britain Declares War on Germany

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Eric Mc

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Tuesday 19th May 2020
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At least you are now admitting that you are repeating yourself.

Talk about "dog with a bone".

This thread was never about "What if" discussions. It was a simple thread on recalling what was happening on a day by day basis.

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 19th May 2020
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V2s killed more Germans than Allies.

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 20th May 2020
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These reports make excellent reading and underline the chaos of the retreat. The story of the French Mayor crying because he thought that the town archives would be destroyed by the Germans was quite poignant. I wonder if they were or did they survive the war.

And the Germans reached the Channel cost today.

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 26th May 2020
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At what point in the evacuation were the little boats called in?

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Tuesday 26th May 2020
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Ayahuasca said:
Boats? Boats?

I assume you mean the little ships?

wink

I believe they were called for on the 27th of May.
When is a boat not a boat?

And when is a boat a ship?

Eric Mc

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Friday 29th May 2020
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Ayahuasca said:
80 years ago today.

Spitfire N3200 flown by Geoffrey Stephenson lands on the beach at Dunkirk. Shown (sort of) in the movie Dunkirk.





And restored.

I've seen it up close a number of times. It's gorgeous. Here's a picture I took last year -



Eric Mc

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Wednesday 17th June 2020
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I'm surprised they were able to find Italy, let alone individual factories. Were these daylight raids or night time raids?

Eric Mc

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Thursday 18th June 2020
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And it also forms part of the opening sequence of the film "Battle of Britain".

Eric Mc

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Monday 22nd June 2020
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I think many Brits were secretly thankful that France surrendered. There was a very famous cartoon published in "The Evening Standard" showing a defiant Tommy waving his fist in the air shouting "Very well, alone".
Which more or less sums up the attitude of June 1940 - if not being altogether accurate.


Eric Mc

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Monday 22nd June 2020
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Which of course, they didn't do - and paid the price.

Also, quite a few French soldiers who had escaped to Britain went back to France.

Eric Mc

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Thursday 9th July 2020
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At this stage of the war the Poles looked like they were down and out. A good number of Poles, Czechs and other Continental Europeans had made their way to the UK but the British authorities had not yet formulated any hard plans as to how they might use them. The RAF was not too keen to make use of non-English speaking pilots - especially if they had the added complication of not been trained in RAF fighter tactics.

Eric Mc

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Friday 10th July 2020
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100% agree.

That is one of the perpetual myths that you keep hearing. The RAF through whatever resources were available against each attack. They did not have the luxury of time or available aircraft to be so choosy.

If a number of squadrons were scrambled to intercept an incoming enemy force, they didn't know what the fighter/bomber mix they were facing would be until they made visual contact.

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Saturday 11th July 2020
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Ayahuasca said:
The ‘cost of a Spitfire’ raised by the Spitfire Fund was only a convenient nominal amount. In reality the cost was higher.

Nowhere near as high as a modern fighter though.

The aviation tech back then was essentially the same as you would find in a family car - an internal combustion engine, bent metal, rubber.
I didn't know that the Austin 7 had eight machine guns or cannons or a VHF radio transmitter/receiver of a transponder system to indicate friend or foe or a compass or all the pressure instruments or oxygen system or hydraulic retractable undercarriage or a reflector "heads up" gunsight etc that a high performance fighter needed in 1940.

Eric Mc

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Saturday 11th July 2020
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And they were all fitted to standard family cars. I certainly didn't know that.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 12th July 2020
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There are lots of subtle and not so subtle differences between the various Spitfire marks. There were even differences within the various Mark designations. Anyway, not really relevant to an "80 years on this day" thread.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 12th July 2020
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Regarding the Beaufighter, theMkI had entered service by the Summer/Autumn of 1940. However, their initial use was as nightfighters where they began replacing Blenheim MkIs from the late summer of 1940.

Note that the Beaufighter MkII had Merlins.

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Friday 17th July 2020
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By and large, yes. They could be a bit of a handful and had some directional instability. This was improved in later versions by adding dihedral to the tailplanes and later adding an extension to the tailfin. They were as tough as an old boot and pretty reliable.

The bulk of Beaufighters were powered by the Bristol Hercules radial. The MkII had Merlins but the Hercules engine worked best for the various roles the Beaufighter took on.

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Friday 17th July 2020
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Some Beaufighter variants -

This is the Mk.I nightfighter variant which saw action in the Autumn and Winter of 1940.



This is the MkII fitted with Merlins and a dihedral tailplane



And this is one of the last versions with the extended tailfin



Eric Mc

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Friday 17th July 2020
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Didn't know that - interesting.

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Friday 17th July 2020
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s2art said:
Europa1 said:
Am I right in thinking there was a variant of the Beaufighter fitted with an unfeasibly large gun for anti-ship duties, or have I mis-remembered?
Certainly there was a Mosquito with one, the Tsetse variant.
Which, although impressive, was largely ignored in favour of Mosquitos carrying rocket projectiles. The Beaufighter also carried rockets for anti-shipping work and ground attack - but that was later in the war.
Its first successes were in the role of nightfighter where they replaced the barely adequate Defiants and Blenheims.