Election 2019

[Bradgate]

I could never vote Tory, except as a tactical vote to keep out a Farage/ Robinson/ BNP type neo-fascist.

I won’t vote Labour again while Corbyn is leader. He is completely useless, a life-long Eurosceptic and he has surrounded himself with dangerous Marxists, eg Seaumas Milne.

If I lived in Scotland, I would seriously consider voting for the SNP, but I don’t so I can’t.

Which leaves the Lib Dems.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

I think it will be a very complicated election, and difficult to predict. The quite healthy reason for this is that people will be looking at their MP rather than the party, and particularly their Brexit credentials.

[Electro1980]

mike9009 said:

Really not sure how I will vote.

As a country we need to get Brexit across the line - but I am personally a firm believer in Remaining in the EU. My belief in democracy is stronger though.

Labour are a shambles and dangerous (IMO), TBP do not appeal in the slightest (and still no policies), Lib Dem just want to unravel Brexit (which will leave another generation of undermining charlatans) , so I will probably vote Tory despite normally voting Lib Dem. I think Boris 'may' have got a better deal if he was allowed to go ahead with his 'No Deal' threat, instead he has been left hanging impotently. He needs a strong mandate.

Only by playing out Brexit will we ever know what 'it' means.

I would hope that the UK would eventually be allowed back in the EU and start playing a stronger role rather than being the unruly child at the back of the class.

It is clear that Boris has no intention of looking for a deal. The number of his own people coming out and saying that is staggering. His own ministers and his brother saying he is not actually negotiating and only making a toke effort.

As much as I would not like them in government the only ones who are going to do the right job is Labour. They will look for a deal and not leave for the sake of leave. They will also not just take up any hope for peace in NI for the sake of a few extremists in their party.

[Biker 1]

Electro1980 said:

the only ones who are going to do the right job is Labour.

Surely this is some kind of windup???? FFS............

[FWIW]

Electro1980 said:

As much as I would not like them in government the only ones who are going to do the right job is Labour. They will look for a deal and not leave for the sake of leave.

Oh yeah? Pull the other one....

[philv]

Biker 1 said:

Electro1980 said:

the only ones who are going to do the right job is Labour.

Surely this is some kind of windup???? FFS............

The biggest sell outs of tne lot.
Anything for power.

[stevemcs]

Biker 1 said:

Electro1980 said:

the only ones who are going to do the right job is Labour.

Surely this is some kind of windup???? FFS............

I've only ever voted Labour but there is no way in hell i will vote for them until Corbyn has gone.

[JagLover]

Electro1980 said:

It is clear that Boris has no intention of looking for a deal. The number of his own people coming out and saying that is staggering. His own ministers and his brother saying he is not actually negotiating and only making a toke effort.

As much as I would not like them in government the only ones who are going to do the right job is Labour. They will look for a deal and not leave for the sake of leave. They will also not just take up any hope for peace in NI for the sake of a few extremists in their party.

The EU will only ever start seriously negotiating if they think "no deal" is real and moreover that negotiation might also take place after the "no deal" exit (in order to save face). In the absence of that you negotiate your surrender (as May did) but not actually negotiate a deal that works for both sides.

I think Boris has been negotiating on some issues, such as how a whole Ireland food and farming area might work, but he would have known that serious negotiation would have only taken place if parliament left no deal on the table.

[tangerine_sedge]

JagLover said:

Electro1980 said:

It is clear that Boris has no intention of looking for a deal. The number of his own people coming out and saying that is staggering. His own ministers and his brother saying he is not actually negotiating and only making a toke effort.

As much as I would not like them in government the only ones who are going to do the right job is Labour. They will look for a deal and not leave for the sake of leave. They will also not just take up any hope for peace in NI for the sake of a few extremists in their party.

The EU will only ever start seriously negotiating if they think "no deal" is real and moreover that negotiation might also take place after the "no deal" exit (in order to save face). In the absence of that you negotiate your surrender (as May did) but not actually negotiate a deal that works for both sides.

I think Boris has been negotiating on some issues, such as how a whole Ireland food and farming area might work, but he would have known that serious negotiation would have only taken place if parliament left no deal on the table.

But, what about all the brexiteers telling us for the last 5 years that negotiations would be easy, we would have a choice of deals, "the easiest deal in history"(TM)?

Now, it's no deal or a deal after leaving? I'm sure that the usual Brexiteer revisionist historians will tell me that was the great plan all along.

Boris/Cummings only had one plan and that was no deal, and it's evident that no *real* negotiations are happening.

[98elise]

philv said:

Biker 1 said:

Electro1980 said:

the only ones who are going to do the right job is Labour.

Surely this is some kind of windup???? FFS............

The biggest sell outs of tne lot.
Anything for power.

Agreed. Corbyn will say or do whatever it takes to get onto power. That's why they flip flop from one stance to another. Their current stance on brexit is a joke.

[Johnnytheboy]

Electro1980 said:

As much as I would not like them in government the only ones who are going to do the right job is Labour. They will look for a deal and not leave for the sake of leave.

They are saying they will negotiate a new deal, then campaign against it in a referendum.

"Piss up" and "brewery" spring to mind.

[Kermit power]

I've voted Conservative all my life, but if the next GE takes place before Brexit happens, then I'll have no option but to vote Lib Dem, as it's the only sane option in my mind. The willingness to even contemplate leaving the EU with no deal has shown that the Conservatives of all people can no longer be trusted to look after the UK economy.

Given that even in NP&E the Lib Dems are polling 27% of the vote, I suspect that once transferred to the real world, they're somehow going to end up with an even larger percentage of the vote than Robert Mugabe ever managed, and will win every single seat in the Commons even if they failed to actually field a candidate in every constituency!!

[FiF]

The plan to convert Labour Leavers to voting for the Conservatives, busted.

[FiF]

Only one poll but LD ahead of Labour, post conference.

Conservatives 32% (-)
Lib Dems 23% (+4)
Labour 21% (-2)
Brexit Party 14% (-)
Green 4% (-3)

YouGov

[JagLover]

FiF said:

Only one poll but LD ahead of Labour, post conference.

Conservatives 32% (-)
Lib Dems 23% (+4)
Labour 21% (-2)
Brexit Party 14% (-)
Green 4% (-3)

YouGov

Interesting

I think the more that both the Lib Dems and Labour have exposure in the news the more that centre left voters realise that if you want to vote for a centre-left party there is currently only one in British Politics at the moment.

[FiF]

Problem is that's just one poll, but on the other hand it's potentially misleading to just wind all the polls together and average them out.

There's an on going discussion as to whether the polls are split between those who try to wind in various sectors from GE2017 or not, resulting in either big Tory win or hung parliament.

Equally there is a discussion on the relevance of the increase in LD support, some say significant, others say not, usual reason for latter being the old LD issue of localised and regional support not fitting well with FPTP system. Trouble I have with that is that there may well be significant political realignment, but against that it does seem as if their gains are mainly in Remain areas, then you need to think back to that map of which areas voted Remain or Leave. Hmmm.

What's clear I think is that if, big giant sized feck off IF, but if Cons and Brexit party really do work together, then it would take an almost impossibly perfectly coordinated Remain campaign across multiple parties and areas to stop them. But without that Cons/BP cooperation Cons are screwed, with is putting the heeby jeebies into CCO, and rightly so.

[Kermit power]

FiF said:

Only one poll but LD ahead of Labour, post conference.

Conservatives 32% (-)
Lib Dems 23% (+4)
Labour 21% (-2)
Brexit Party 14% (-)
Green 4% (-3)

YouGov

Well that's clearly wrong!!!!

According to the views of many posters in here, the Brexit Party should surely be cruising to an absolute majority at the next GE???

[WCZ]

FiF said:

Only one poll but LD ahead of Labour, post conference.

Conservatives 32% (-)
Lib Dems 23% (+4)
Labour 21% (-2)
Brexit Party 14% (-)
Green 4% (-3)

YouGov

as predicted, the majority of people want no deal despite the campaign against boris johnson by the media he's still the man of the people

[FiF]

Kermit power said:

FiF said:

Only one poll but LD ahead of Labour, post conference.

Conservatives 32% (-)
Lib Dems 23% (+4)
Labour 21% (-2)
Brexit Party 14% (-)
Green 4% (-3)

YouGov

Well that's clearly wrong!!!!

According to the views of many posters in here, the Brexit Party should surely be cruising to an absolute majority at the next GE???

Well according to the many aka the rabid ranting on Twitter Boris is a shambles and an utter disaster, yet since he became PM his ratings have gone up.

All voters +5pts
Leavers +16pts
Conservatives +21pts

Groupthink = often wrong and wrong again,

[Halb]

Kermit power said:

Well that's clearly wrong!!!!

According to the views of many posters in here, the Brexit Party should surely be cruising to an absolute majority at the next GE???

Well the ukips lot were the most fickle, I guess because BoJo is strong on the 'no deal' thing his score will soar as brexit lot drops...however having said that, if BoJo wobbles and it looks like he's going to go for May's deal then the brexit lot will spring back and bojo's vote will see-saw....I think anyway