Election 2019

[FiF]

stongle said:

jsf said:

You are wasting your time stongle, budgie is a plank.

I'm done now. Thanks for the nudge!

Though it was a great original fishing question, even if I do say so myself, all credit to the rest of you for the reeling in and netting process.

[otolith]

Helicopter123 said:

otolith said:

FiF said:

Out of interest what are Labour saying about the many ordinary folks who have thousands invested in BT shares, currently paying about 7% according to one report, so many have pensions and retirement plans etc hanging off this.

Presumably Labour are saying nothing but expecting to say tough titty you dirty rich capitalists. I don't have BT shares, as it happens, so no axe near the grinding stone for me.

They will be compensated.

With UK government bonds.

Borrowing money to invest in infrastructure projects is good news for the economy though, providing these assets provide a return in excess of the cost of borrowing.

I am sure the people who have had their property confiscated and have been compensated with a fraction of their worth paid in dodgy IOUs will be delighted to hear that you think the government is getting a good deal.

[Tuna]

Helicopter123 said:

You accuse me of being "about 16" or "a Momentum stooge" because I want to debate the merits of a significant policy, possibly the most significant new policy announced during the course of this GE campaign?

He's accusing you of being "about 16" because you're 'debating the merits' of a policy you plainly don't understand, with all the enthusiasm of a child who has been offered free ice cream on condition they hand over their parent's credit card and PIN.

[jamoor]

The broadband problem needs to be fixed one way or another and the best way is action at a govermental level.

The government install the network and any company can use it to supply goods or services. So they need to build the fibre network and let any company pump broadband through it, much like we have the train network that companies run trains on or the road network that anyone can use.

[Tuna]

jamoor said:

The government install the network and any company can use it to supply goods or services. So they need to build the fibre network and let any company pump broadband through it, much like we have the train network that companies run trains on or the road network that anyone can use.

That would make sense if any recent large government project had been delivered on time and on budget.

[djc206]

jamoor said:

The broadband problem needs to be fixed one way or another and the best way is action at a govermental level.

The government install the network and any company can use it to supply goods or services. So they need to build the fibre network and let any company pump broadband through it, much like we have the train network that companies run trains on or the road network that anyone can use.

I cannot think of a worse way that a government level. Everything they touch turns to rat st. They built a giant tent in London that cost us £700m+, a fking tent, they then sold it for a quid. You want those people involved in more of our day to day lives? You’re bloody mad.

[jamoor]

djc206 said:

jamoor said:

The broadband problem needs to be fixed one way or another and the best way is action at a govermental level.

The government install the network and any company can use it to supply goods or services. So they need to build the fibre network and let any company pump broadband through it, much like we have the train network that companies run trains on or the road network that anyone can use.

I cannot think of a worse way that a government level. Everything they touch turns to rat st. They built a giant tent in London that cost us £700m+, a fking tent, they then sold it for a quid. You want those people involved in more of our day to day lives? You’re bloody mad.

What's madder is the government controlling everyone's internet access. That's a very scary thought.

[hutchst]

deadslow said:

a dazzling IT infrastructure is a stupid idea since when?

Since we realised that our ability to develop software that consumes bandwidth in ever-increasing bucketloads at a rate that far, far outstrips our ability to bury cables under streets.

The internet is going wireless. 20 years from now we'll be laughing at the poor sods stuck with an old fibre optic connection,

[glazbagun]

jamoor said:

What's madder is the government controlling everyone's internet access. That's a very scary thought.

Don't they do that already? It's not China's great wall, but what we know from Snowden is hardly less terrifying.

[vonuber]

djc206 said:

I cannot think of a worse way that a government level. Everything they touch turns to rat st. They built a giant tent in London that cost us £700m+, a fking tent, they then sold it for a quid. You want those people involved in more of our day to day lives? You’re bloody mad.

Thats down to corruption though.
The dome itself is actually pretty clever, for a 'tent'.

As an aside, i do think that there are some things which should be in public hands- the water supply for example.

However the trick is to get a public body that runs as effectively. I always think TFL gets a bad rap, but on the whole they do an okay job given what they have to run. The main issues I have come across dealing with them have been political interferences overriding on the ground decision making.

[confused_buyer]

768c said:

I suppose I could google this but thought I'd ask here, and I didn't think it warrants a separate thread.

Regarding spoils ballot papers - do these become public? I'm sure I've seen a montage, vaguely thought it was on HIGNFY or some such, and they've shown the 'best' ones.

I don't plan to do it myself, but I can't help feeling with the current atmosphere, people not thinking their vote counts and want to make a statement, there could be a whole influx of these.

Is it people taking pictures during voting or at the counting stage?!

Number of spoilt papers are announced with the results. They get treated the same way as any other ballot paper. The counters sometimes have a laugh at the idiots who bother to go and do it and the count agents may see them as counted but other than that no one really takes any interest.

You can't take pictures of papers or of the count actually going on close up.

Spoiling a ballot paper is a complete waste of time IMO - no one cares.

[Nickgnome]

hutchst said:

deadslow said:

a dazzling IT infrastructure is a stupid idea since when?

Since we realised that our ability to develop software that consumes bandwidth in ever-increasing bucketloads at a rate that far, far outstrips our ability to bury cables under streets.

The internet is going wireless. 20 years from now we'll be laughing at the poor sods stuck with an old fibre optic connection,

I suspect you are very wrong. 5g is a challenge.

What would be the density of masts required for at least 1GB to every home?

What is required to stream for a couple of 8k TV per home, notwithstanding all the other wi Fi devices we may have in 20 years?

[Stay in Bed Instead]

hutchst said:

Since we realised that our ability to develop software that consumes bandwidth in ever-increasing bucketloads at a rate that far, far outstrips our ability to bury cables under streets.

The internet is going wireless. 20 years from now we'll be laughing at the poor sods stuck with an old fibre optic connection,

That's a very valid point.

I got 89mbs on 4g in Leicester recently. Why have a land line?

Pity I can only get on average 2-3mbs just outside Market Harborough though. It's this that needs attention.

[Nickgnome]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

hutchst said:

Since we realised that our ability to develop software that consumes bandwidth in ever-increasing bucketloads at a rate that far, far outstrips our ability to bury cables under streets.

The internet is going wireless. 20 years from now we'll be laughing at the poor sods stuck with an old fibre optic connection,

That's a very valid point.

I got 89mbs on 4g in Leicester recently. Why have a land line?

Pity I can only get on average 2-3mbs just outside Market Harborough though. It's this that needs attention.

You are not taking into account demand increase. In 10 years 8K TVs will be the norm. They require an absolute minimum of 50Mb per channel.

[turbobloke]

On the topic of the forthcoming election, the impact of TBP's decision has given the Conservatives a bigger lift (now 42%) than Labour (now 28%) and the LibDems are down (now 15%) according to how YouGov sees it (12 Nov).



https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-repo...

[Helicopter123]

Nickgnome said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

hutchst said:

Since we realised that our ability to develop software that consumes bandwidth in ever-increasing bucketloads at a rate that far, far outstrips our ability to bury cables under streets.

The internet is going wireless. 20 years from now we'll be laughing at the poor sods stuck with an old fibre optic connection,

That's a very valid point.

I got 89mbs on 4g in Leicester recently. Why have a land line?

Pity I can only get on average 2-3mbs just outside Market Harborough though. It's this that needs attention.

You are not taking into account demand increase. In 10 years 8K TVs will be the norm. They require an absolute minimum of 50Mb per channel.

Full Fibre across the nation has such social and economic benefit it really should be prioritised. Other countries are way ahead of us, government intervention needed if we are to catch up.

[turbobloke]

Helicopter123 said:

Nickgnome said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

hutchst said:

Since we realised that our ability to develop software that consumes bandwidth in ever-increasing bucketloads at a rate that far, far outstrips our ability to bury cables under streets.

The internet is going wireless. 20 years from now we'll be laughing at the poor sods stuck with an old fibre optic connection,

That's a very valid point.

I got 89mbs on 4g in Leicester recently. Why have a land line?

Pity I can only get on average 2-3mbs just outside Market Harborough though. It's this that needs attention.

You are not taking into account demand increase. In 10 years 8K TVs will be the norm. They require an absolute minimum of 50Mb per channel.

Full Fibre across the nation has such social and economic benefit it really should be prioritised. Other countries are way ahead of us, government intervention needed if we are to catch up.

Depending on the government and the strategy it could help.

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

On the topic of the forthcoming election, the impact of TBP's decision has given the Conservatives a bigger lift (now 42%) than Labour (now 28%) and the LibDems are down (now 15%) according to how YouGov sees it (12 Nov).



https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-repo...

It’s looking like that election in the 83 where everyone thought it was going to be close but labour and the SDP/liberals took loads of votes off each other and the conservatives won by massive majority.

[Nickgnome]

Helicopter123 said:

Nickgnome said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

hutchst said:

Since we realised that our ability to develop software that consumes bandwidth in ever-increasing bucketloads at a rate that far, far outstrips our ability to bury cables under streets.

The internet is going wireless. 20 years from now we'll be laughing at the poor sods stuck with an old fibre optic connection,

That's a very valid point.

I got 89mbs on 4g in Leicester recently. Why have a land line?

Pity I can only get on average 2-3mbs just outside Market Harborough though. It's this that needs attention.

You are not taking into account demand increase. In 10 years 8K TVs will be the norm. They require an absolute minimum of 50Mb per channel.

Full Fibre across the nation has such social and economic benefit it really should be prioritised. Other countries are way ahead of us, government intervention needed if we are to catch up.

I concur but Corbyn is off with the fairies. Only private companies can undertake the works. I think the government has been too soft on BT and additionally not facilitated accelerated wayleaves and planning.

I’m quite lucky, I just tested our connection and got 375 download and 34 upload, which is pretty typical. Virgin allowed me to run the cable internally so no breaks anywhere from their green box.

[jakesmith]

Nickgnome said:

You are not taking into account demand increase. In 10 years 8K TVs will be the norm. They require an absolute minimum of 50Mb per channel.

You are not taking into account lack of interest and lack of adoption of uneccesary new standards by the public and networks, see 4K for details.

You are not taking into account streaming that is a massive growth method of content delivery that dynamically optimises content resolution based on available bandwidth.

The public have made abundantly clear that they prioritise choice and convenience over quality, see mp3 streaming vs CD.