Poll: Election 2019
Total Members Polled: 1601
Discussion
Digga said:
talk to the sort of people who would normally vote Labour all the time. They are not daft and they know what socialism is.
However, they also have little to no connection with any recent Tory PM. that has to change, as too the constituent members of the cabinet. It is getting there.
In terms of the cabinet the next two most important roles, Chancellor and Home Secretary are both occupied by people educated in the state sector. However, they also have little to no connection with any recent Tory PM. that has to change, as too the constituent members of the cabinet. It is getting there.
There will always likely to be some privately educated politicians due to a higher proportion of such people willing and able to enter politics, but it shouldn't be exaggerated how many there are.
Furthermore Boris is the most popular of the bunch so seems to be PM by merit.
JagLover said:
Digga said:
talk to the sort of people who would normally vote Labour all the time. They are not daft and they know what socialism is.
However, they also have little to no connection with any recent Tory PM. that has to change, as too the constituent members of the cabinet. It is getting there.
In terms of the cabinet the next two most important roles, Chancellor and Home Secretary are both occupied by people educated in the state sector. However, they also have little to no connection with any recent Tory PM. that has to change, as too the constituent members of the cabinet. It is getting there.
There will always likely to be some privately educated politicians due to a higher proportion of such people willing and able to enter politics, but it shouldn't be exaggerated how many there are.
Furthermore Boris is the most popular of the bunch so seems to be PM by merit.
El stovey said:
The attraction of the libdems apart from cancelling brexit is that they’re a centrist (not obviously damaging) alternative to labour and the conservatives.
The kind of people that will vote libdem are likely the sort that are floating voters not aligned to a particular party and will make a decision nearer the time or moderate Tory voters wanting to cancel brexit.
They’re obviously not going to get anywhere near as many votes as the two main parties though.
Conservatives will win the election without doubt. For me (a life long Conservative voter) I have to vote Lib Dem as i'm a Remainer and this election is really about one thing - Brexit. Boris knows that and exactly why he called it.The kind of people that will vote libdem are likely the sort that are floating voters not aligned to a particular party and will make a decision nearer the time or moderate Tory voters wanting to cancel brexit.
They’re obviously not going to get anywhere near as many votes as the two main parties though.
Edited by El stovey on Monday 18th November 09:34
I don't rate Jo Swinson and would really rather not be voting Lib Dem but the Conservative's stance on Brexit gives me no choice.
Edited by Candellara on Monday 18th November 13:20
MX5Biologist said:
This conveyor load of ex-public faces for Conservative Pary Leader generating:
Margaret Thatcher: Grammer School
John Major: Grammar School
William Hague: Comprehensive School
Iain Duncan Smith: Secondary Modern
Micheal Howard: Grammar School
David Cameron: Private/Public School (fee paying)
Theresa May: Grammar School
Boris Johnson: Private/Public School (won a scholarship, the Kings Scholarship represents the original ethos of Eton to provide schooling for 70 poor boys a year. Not to say that at the time the Johnson family was impoverished, but neither were they fabulously wealthy. His father had worked hard in academic research (never a high salary profession) to a decent job at the European Commission).
So 6:2 in favour of the State, and likely if Johnson hadn't won a scholarship, he also would have been in the State sector.
Labour:
James Callaghan; Grammer School
Micheal Foot: Private/Public School
Neil Kinnock: Comprehensive School
John Smith: Grammar School
Margaret Beckett: State Secondary
Tony Blair: Private/Public School
Gordon Brown: State Secondary
Harriet Harman: Private/Public School
Ed Miliband: Comprehensive School
Jeremy Corbyn: Grammar School
So 7:3 for the State, though really its 5:3, as Beckett and Harman were only stand-in leaders.
So the Labour Leadership owes more to the private school sector than Conservatives. I know there is a distinction between the Public Schools and Private Schools.
If anything, Iain Duncan Smith is the example of someone who pulled themselves up by their bootstraps. He father was a used car salesman turned RAF fighter ace. Went straight into the army from school. Attended Secondary Modern for 4 years; when I was young, the secondary moderns were where you went if you couldn't get into Grammar School or a Comprehensive. Remarkably, like Jim Callahagn, never completed a university degree, though he claims to have signed up for some courses in Italy. Possibly the lack of a higher education affected him in his later career.
Interesting thanks. (Ps Jezza went to a private prep school, then Grammar!)Margaret Thatcher: Grammer School
John Major: Grammar School
William Hague: Comprehensive School
Iain Duncan Smith: Secondary Modern
Micheal Howard: Grammar School
David Cameron: Private/Public School (fee paying)
Theresa May: Grammar School
Boris Johnson: Private/Public School (won a scholarship, the Kings Scholarship represents the original ethos of Eton to provide schooling for 70 poor boys a year. Not to say that at the time the Johnson family was impoverished, but neither were they fabulously wealthy. His father had worked hard in academic research (never a high salary profession) to a decent job at the European Commission).
So 6:2 in favour of the State, and likely if Johnson hadn't won a scholarship, he also would have been in the State sector.
Labour:
James Callaghan; Grammer School
Micheal Foot: Private/Public School
Neil Kinnock: Comprehensive School
John Smith: Grammar School
Margaret Beckett: State Secondary
Tony Blair: Private/Public School
Gordon Brown: State Secondary
Harriet Harman: Private/Public School
Ed Miliband: Comprehensive School
Jeremy Corbyn: Grammar School
So 7:3 for the State, though really its 5:3, as Beckett and Harman were only stand-in leaders.
So the Labour Leadership owes more to the private school sector than Conservatives. I know there is a distinction between the Public Schools and Private Schools.
If anything, Iain Duncan Smith is the example of someone who pulled themselves up by their bootstraps. He father was a used car salesman turned RAF fighter ace. Went straight into the army from school. Attended Secondary Modern for 4 years; when I was young, the secondary moderns were where you went if you couldn't get into Grammar School or a Comprehensive. Remarkably, like Jim Callahagn, never completed a university degree, though he claims to have signed up for some courses in Italy. Possibly the lack of a higher education affected him in his later career.
JagLover said:
In terms of the cabinet the next two most important roles, Chancellor and Home Secretary are both occupied by people educated in the state sector.
Yes, Priti Patel and Sajiv Javed are only there thanks to their inherited position & entitlement of having long ancestors in the British establishment.Oh, hang on.......
(Raab as Foreign Secretary went to state schools as well btw and is half Jewish)
Digga said:
JagLover said:
Digga said:
talk to the sort of people who would normally vote Labour all the time. They are not daft and they know what socialism is.
However, they also have little to no connection with any recent Tory PM. that has to change, as too the constituent members of the cabinet. It is getting there.
In terms of the cabinet the next two most important roles, Chancellor and Home Secretary are both occupied by people educated in the state sector. However, they also have little to no connection with any recent Tory PM. that has to change, as too the constituent members of the cabinet. It is getting there.
There will always likely to be some privately educated politicians due to a higher proportion of such people willing and able to enter politics, but it shouldn't be exaggerated how many there are.
Furthermore Boris is the most popular of the bunch so seems to be PM by merit.
Thinking how often we'll here "for the many not the few" or "Eton elite" …. These comments did for May, They'll have an effect on BJ too, Obviously for Corbyn "Anti-Semite", "Terrorist supporting" "Communist" are alsocomments needing rebuttals
FiF said:
Poll result from Survation. First one after Brexit party announcement re standing down in some seats, plus where respondents prompted with only choices of candidates actually standing in their specific constituency. Plus comparison with same poll in 2017.
Usual caveat, application of general figures to seats in fptp system, plus if we thought 2017 was bat effluent crazy we hadn't predicted this shower.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2017_United_Kingdom_general_electionUsual caveat, application of general figures to seats in fptp system, plus if we thought 2017 was bat effluent crazy we hadn't predicted this shower.
Not too far from the 2017 numbers.
FiF said:
Poll result from Survation. First one after Brexit party announcement re standing down in some seats, plus where respondents prompted with only choices of candidates actually standing in their specific constituency. Plus comparison with same poll in 2017.
Usual caveat, application of general figures to seats in fptp system, plus if we thought 2017 was bat effluent crazy we hadn't predicted this shower.
The first from YouGov with adapted methodology for post-BTP withdrawal was polled 11-12 Nov and gave similar numbers, though the LibDems appear to be fading still.Usual caveat, application of general figures to seats in fptp system, plus if we thought 2017 was bat effluent crazy we hadn't predicted this shower.
On Saturday ! said:
On the topic of the forthcoming election, the impact of TBP's decision has given the Conservatives a bigger lift (now 42%) than Labour (now 28%) and the LibDems are down (now 15%) according to how YouGov sees it (12 Nov).
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-repo...
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-repo...
Johnnytheboy said:
Fascinating that - in the face of a real election - all that protest voting is fleeing back to the main parties.
The other day I was chatting to a few friends who are normally conservative voters who were saying they were struggling with whom to vote for, they had decided on lib Dems due to their remain position, until I pointed out that if enough people did that we could end up with a labour government by default, the look on their faces was a picture. 
PRTVR said:
The other day I was chatting to a few friends who are normally conservative voters who were saying they were struggling with whom to vote for, they had decided on lib Dems due to their remain position, until I pointed out that if enough people did that we could end up with a labour government by default, the look on their faces was a picture.
Well Labour are offering another referendum so maybe voting for Lib Dems isn’t as stupid as you think if you want to remain in the EU.chrispmartha said:
Well Labour are offering another referendum so maybe voting for Lib Dems isn’t as stupid as you think if you want to remain in the EU.
Of course it is, you will get Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott. I am a hardened Leaver, but if we woke up with Labour in power I would happily swap leaving for having them in.
The pain we would see from a Labour government with them in charge would be severe.
chrispmartha said:
PRTVR said:
The other day I was chatting to a few friends who are normally conservative voters who were saying they were struggling with whom to vote for, they had decided on lib Dems due to their remain position, until I pointed out that if enough people did that we could end up with a labour government by default, the look on their faces was a picture.
Well Labour are offering another referendum so maybe voting for Lib Dems isn’t as stupid as you think if you want to remain in the EU.If options are available, and feelings are so high - people still not accepting the referendum result more than three years on due to the awesomeness of the EU - then why not consider all of them to scratch the itch. If options aren't available then it may prove necessary to 'move on, by remaining'.....in the UK.
turbobloke said:
chrispmartha said:
PRTVR said:
The other day I was chatting to a few friends who are normally conservative voters who were saying they were struggling with whom to vote for, they had decided on lib Dems due to their remain position, until I pointed out that if enough people did that we could end up with a labour government by default, the look on their faces was a picture.
Well Labour are offering another referendum so maybe voting for Lib Dems isn’t as stupid as you think if you want to remain in the EU.If options are available, and feelings are so high - people still not accepting the referendum result more than three years on due to the awesomeness of the EU - then why not consider all of them to scratch the itch. If options aren't available then it may prove necessary to 'move on, by remaining'.....in the UK.
As for the if you love the EU so much move to another country comment - grow up, and it’s quite easily counteracted with the question, if you hated the EU for this long why didn’t you leave?
turbobloke said:
chrispmartha said:
PRTVR said:
The other day I was chatting to a few friends who are normally conservative voters who were saying they were struggling with whom to vote for, they had decided on lib Dems due to their remain position, until I pointed out that if enough people did that we could end up with a labour government by default, the look on their faces was a picture.
Well Labour are offering another referendum so maybe voting for Lib Dems isn’t as stupid as you think if you want to remain in the EU.If options are available, and feelings are so high - people still not accepting the referendum result more than three years on due to the awesomeness of the EU - then why not consider all of them to scratch the itch. If options aren't available then it may prove necessary to 'move on, by remaining'.....in the UK.
You will struggle to be able to offer acceptable solutions to the disaffected remain camp. From my pov it is the perfect answer to their perceived problem and angst. As you mention a Member Country in the sun that is romping ahead of the U.K. in Social and financial terms, remainers heaven I would have thought.
crankedup said:
turbobloke said:
chrispmartha said:
PRTVR said:
The other day I was chatting to a few friends who are normally conservative voters who were saying they were struggling with whom to vote for, they had decided on lib Dems due to their remain position, until I pointed out that if enough people did that we could end up with a labour government by default, the look on their faces was a picture.
Well Labour are offering another referendum so maybe voting for Lib Dems isn’t as stupid as you think if you want to remain in the EU.If options are available, and feelings are so high - people still not accepting the referendum result more than three years on due to the awesomeness of the EU - then why not consider all of them to scratch the itch. If options aren't available then it may prove necessary to 'move on, by remaining'.....in the UK.
You will struggle to be able to offer acceptable solutions to the disaffected remain camp. From my pov it is the perfect answer to their perceived problem and angst. As you mention a Member Country in the sun that is romping ahead of the U.K. in Social and financial terms, remainers heaven I would have thought.
chrispmartha said:
crankedup said:
turbobloke said:
chrispmartha said:
PRTVR said:
The other day I was chatting to a few friends who are normally conservative voters who were saying they were struggling with whom to vote for, they had decided on lib Dems due to their remain position, until I pointed out that if enough people did that we could end up with a labour government by default, the look on their faces was a picture.
Well Labour are offering another referendum so maybe voting for Lib Dems isn’t as stupid as you think if you want to remain in the EU.If options are available, and feelings are so high - people still not accepting the referendum result more than three years on due to the awesomeness of the EU - then why not consider all of them to scratch the itch. If options aren't available then it may prove necessary to 'move on, by remaining'.....in the UK.
You will struggle to be able to offer acceptable solutions to the disaffected remain camp. From my pov it is the perfect answer to their perceived problem and angst. As you mention a Member Country in the sun that is romping ahead of the U.K. in Social and financial terms, remainers heaven I would have thought.
My vote was to Leave, but if Remain had won the day, it would have been time to make another cup of tea. As the vote went the way of Leave, I expected and still expect the UK to leave the EU.
Europe is of course a completely different issue to the EU political construct. Some years ago I had a place in Spain mainly as a winter bolthole, and I've spent a lot of time in Paris which is my favourite city by a long way.
When things started going udders skyward for the PIIGS it was time to remain in the UK so the Spanish apartment went, and just in time.
Following three years of chaos and entertainment in equal measure it looks as though there will be a resolution on brexit soon; those with stronger feelings for Remain than mine for Leave will have to reconcile themselves with what happens in their own way.
If the very small chance of the UK remaining in the EU comes to pass, it'll be time for that cup of tea. The main issue, though very unlikely in terms of probability, is Corbyn, but Miliband helped me to get ahead of the curve on that one. As this is meant to be the Election 2019 thread, nuff said.
MX5Biologist said:
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If anything, Iain Duncan Smith is the example of someone who pulled themselves up by their bootstraps. He father was a used car salesman turned RAF fighter ace. Went straight into the army from school. Attended Secondary Modern for 4 years; when I was young, the secondary moderns were where you went if you couldn't get into Grammar School or a Comprehensive. Remarkably, like Jim Callahagn, never completed a university degree, though he claims to have signed up for some courses in Italy. Possibly the lack of a higher education affected him in his later career.
Which just goes to prove that he wasn’t very intelligent. He failed from an early age, not as bright as his peers.If anything, Iain Duncan Smith is the example of someone who pulled themselves up by their bootstraps. He father was a used car salesman turned RAF fighter ace. Went straight into the army from school. Attended Secondary Modern for 4 years; when I was young, the secondary moderns were where you went if you couldn't get into Grammar School or a Comprehensive. Remarkably, like Jim Callahagn, never completed a university degree, though he claims to have signed up for some courses in Italy. Possibly the lack of a higher education affected him in his later career.
No wonder that his ideas now are pretty dumb ..
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