Election 2019

[jeff666]

chrispmartha said:

That’s simply not true, I know quite a few business owners that will be voting labour and some have rental properties life isn’t as black and white as is portrayed especially on here. Saying anyone that votes Labour has nothing is rubbish.

Well they are gonna be in for a shock then "IF" Labour do get in.

[Bussolini]

jeff666 said:

98elise said:

They have already done this with Landlords. We will be forced to sell our property to tenants at a discount price. For me that's about 30k per property.

In addition that will trigger a capital gain on the remaining equity so I will then get a big tax bill. That's my pension wiped out.

I've lived long enough to see many governments and many more budgets. Red or blue even the biggest changes have only made a few thousand difference per year. Labours policies will see me nearly wiped out if they ever get to enact them.

I never thought I would see the day when ordinary people would vote for a government that would seize assets from individuals, schools, and companies.

For the many not the few,

Didn't you get the memo ?

Thing is the people who will vote labour have nothing, they don't have rental properties, run businesses etc, they see somebody like you and buisiness owners like me as privileged, lucky etc, they don't see the many years of hard graft that has got us to where we are today.

I don't think Labour have a hope in hell of getting in especially with Corbyn at the helm.

Landlords are not entrepreneurs. They do not deserve praise. Small business owners and landlords are very different.

[techguyone]

Crafty_ said:

I'm in a top 10 tory marginal seat. Tory leaflet is on brexit and nothing else.
Labour on local issues, with a section on the back for national issues, although weirdly not the headline ones we've heard in the past few days.

Meantime, not sure what to make of this report from a CBI meeting, https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/election-party-m...

ETA: 5 minutes in to the so called debate, they're both bloody pathetic. Corbyn loses because he can't put his fking glasses on straight and its annoying me.

Edited by Crafty_ on Tuesday 19th November 20:16

There's a rumour going around Corbyn has had a minor stroke, hence the fresnel lense and droopy right eye/ear.

[Bussolini]

Boris doesn't do empathetic very well.

[Challo]

techguyone said:

Crafty_ said:

I'm in a top 10 tory marginal seat. Tory leaflet is on brexit and nothing else.
Labour on local issues, with a section on the back for national issues, although weirdly not the headline ones we've heard in the past few days.

Meantime, not sure what to make of this report from a CBI meeting, https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/election-party-m...

ETA: 5 minutes in to the so called debate, they're both bloody pathetic. Corbyn loses because he can't put his fking glasses on straight and its annoying me.

Edited by Crafty_ on Tuesday 19th November 20:16

There's a rumour going around Corbyn has had a minor stroke, hence the fresnel lense and droopy right eye/ear.

It does look odd with his glasses.

[Tuna]

On the police numbers, I believe it was the case that particularly in the last few years of the Blair/Brown administration, money was thrown at the police, and numbers soared. In ten years, if you include the PSCO figures, a third more officers (40,000 people) were added to the force.

That was huge growth and I'm not sure if it was sustainable.

Knife crime does not reflect the number of police officers on the streets (at a historical high) - it reflects a change in policies (stop and search) and in the nature of crime at present, which is always subject to 'fashion' and social and economic shifts.

None of this is to offer any answers, but saying "knife crime is high because the Tories have reduced police officers" is not true. That sort of misunderstanding stops us from making rational decisions about the best way to manage crime and policing in the UK.

[Bussolini]

Corbyn is definitely coming across as more down to earth, humorous and empathetic. Boris is just shouty shouty shouty about Brexit - no real substance, awkward when asked about anything other than Brexit.

[anonymous-user]

Cringeworthy from both Boris and Grandpa, on balance The mop came out on top IMO

[abzmike]

chrispmartha said:

Sneaky

Very sneaky. I hope the Electoral Commission rip them a new one.

[chrispmartha]

BJ could not answer a question without mentioning Brexit. The whole debate was terrible, clapping and whooping should not be allowed in these debates.

[Bussolini]

Top Tories well trained on the party line tonight - Corbyn's Brexit position. No other policies guys? Nothing else to talk about?

[andy_s]

It’s like a reverse Trueman Show.

[don'tbesilly]

chrispmartha said:

BJ could not answer a question without mentioning Brexit. The whole debate was terrible, clapping and whooping should not be allowed in these debates.

JC failed to answer the main question in regards Brexit despite being asked repeatedly, but I'd agree that the whole programme was dreadful, the exception being Julie Etchingham who I thought did a great job

[anonymous-user]

chrispmartha said:

BJ could not answer a question without mentioning Brexit. The whole debate was terrible, clapping and whooping should not be allowed in these debates.

Didn't watch it. These shows are pitiful and are no real substitute for a proper party manifesto and continual, ongoing debate and analysis.
This is bigger than the Itchy and Scratchy Show, how can anyone let this st sway their opinion much I do not know.

[chrispmartha]

abzmike said:

chrispmartha said:

Sneaky

Very sneaky. I hope the Electoral Commission rip them a new one.

Charlie Brooker and a few others have followed tgeir lead

[Helicopter123]

Bussolini said:

Corbyn is definitely coming across as more down to earth, humorous and empathetic. Boris is just shouty shouty shouty about Brexit - no real substance, awkward when asked about anything other than Brexit.

Agree, I think Corbyn appeared quite down to earth but I don’t think any major blows landed. Boris will bd the happier.

[Electro1980]

abzmike said:

chrispmartha said:

Sneaky

Very sneaky. I hope the Electoral Commission rip them a new one.

Sneaky? Far more than that. Underhand, disruptive and damaging. And fking stupid.

[MrVert]

Bussolini said:

Landlords are not entrepreneurs. They do not deserve praise. Small business owners and landlords are very different.

One turns into the other in my case.

Worked for 30 years to get to where I am now, large portfolio of properties, all paid for with no mortgages after large tax bills. Treat my tenants well, keep the properties in the best condition possible with all certification up to date, because I want them to stay in what is effectively their home.

So should I now be stripped of a large percentage of what is my worked for, paid for, pension?

[Crafty_]

Abundantly clear to me that Boris has zero plan post Brexit, hence he kept rattling on about it because its the only thing he can think of. I think he'll just continue making st up as he goes along, just like when he says the NHS isn't for sale directly after Corbyn read the extract from the trade deal talks with the USA.

Dare I say it, Corbyn was more personable and sounded more level headed, of course we know whats behind it is anything but...

As someone said on the Corbyn thread its depressing that our choice is between these two.

I don't really see a winner out of that.

[Vanden Saab]

Helicopter123 said:

Bussolini said:

Corbyn is definitely coming across as more down to earth, humorous and empathetic. Boris is just shouty shouty shouty about Brexit - no real substance, awkward when asked about anything other than Brexit.

Agree, I think Corbyn appeared quite down to earth but I don’t think any major blows landed. Boris will bd the happier.

As Boris was the only one with anything to lose I would think he will be delighted.