Poll: Election 2019
Total Members Polled: 1601
Discussion
don'tbesilly said:
Worth remembering that quite a significant number of Johnson's colleagues also voted for May's deal at the third attempt, and they didn't vote for May's deal because of any pending vacancy anymore than Johnson did.
All those who voted for the deal have publicly stated why they did vote for the deal, it just suits people's agenda's to ignore such reasons.
Keep up the good work it's amusing all be it futile
What I say won't make a jot of difference and whatever I think of Johnson I'd sooner him than the only realistic alternative.All those who voted for the deal have publicly stated why they did vote for the deal, it just suits people's agenda's to ignore such reasons.
Keep up the good work it's amusing all be it futile
It's just funny seeing people like you jump to his defense.
Time after time after time.
Halb said:
Mr Curtice has become a tad overexposed. And by "tad" I mean "completely". He's been saying the same thing for weeks now "Well, the Conservatives are well in front in the polls so they will most likely win. However, if loads of people actually vote for another party then things could turn out very differently". He's now just picking all options so he can claim he got his prediction correct.
There’s no way Labour could run this country.
Their place is carping at anything they can from a position of relative safety and they win they will s
t themselves. If May and BJ found Brexit an impossibility to conclude how are Corbyn and his Marxist chum O’Donnell going to fare - they won’t have a clue where to start.
Brexit aside their tax and finance proposals are a complete non starter other than short term for a factory worker who then mid term will be out of a job. Of course those on benefits will think it’s great until prices rise.
Their place is carping at anything they can from a position of relative safety and they win they will s
t themselves. If May and BJ found Brexit an impossibility to conclude how are Corbyn and his Marxist chum O’Donnell going to fare - they won’t have a clue where to start. Brexit aside their tax and finance proposals are a complete non starter other than short term for a factory worker who then mid term will be out of a job. Of course those on benefits will think it’s great until prices rise.
V6 Pushfit said:
There’s no way Labour could run this country.
Their place is carping at anything they can from a position of relative safety and they win they will st themselves. If May and BJ found Brexit an impossibility to conclude how are Corbyn and his Marxist chum O’Donnell going to fare - they won’t have a clue where to start.
Brexit aside their tax and finance proposals are a complete non starter other than short term for a factory worker who then mid term will be out of a job. Of course those on benefits will think it’s great until prices rise.
Agree with all of that. The taxing of the top 5% will have widespread effects and increasing corporation tax is going to put huge pressure on struggling firms (many of which are struggling even more because of all the political uncertainty this year) but then government is never really in touch with small firms, despite their being over 90% of all businesses and over 60% of all jobs. however, a Marxist, anti-capitalist government is, frankly, not even going to pretend to understand or care, once elected.Their place is carping at anything they can from a position of relative safety and they win they will s
t themselves. If May and BJ found Brexit an impossibility to conclude how are Corbyn and his Marxist chum O’Donnell going to fare - they won’t have a clue where to start. Brexit aside their tax and finance proposals are a complete non starter other than short term for a factory worker who then mid term will be out of a job. Of course those on benefits will think it’s great until prices rise.
don'tbesilly said:
Zirconia said:
Marr was savaging some Tory MP (security brief) on the release of the Russian report, says it will get published.
When I say savaging, let him off after some stern glowering and lame questions.
iPlayer 9:25 wish I would guess. On the SNP leader now.
Brandon Lewis (Tory MP) and 'savaging' is something Marr is incapable of doing, Marr is no Andrew Neil.When I say savaging, let him off after some stern glowering and lame questions.
iPlayer 9:25 wish I would guess. On the SNP leader now.
Methinks Lewis knows it will be some time before it sees the light of day.
Digga said:
The taxing of the top 5% will have widespread effects and increasing corporation tax is going to put huge pressure on struggling firms
Sorry to have edited your post for brevity. You're right of course, but I think people are unaware of these facts from Labour's Grey Book:- extra spending £82.9 billion
- impact of higher tax for top 5% of earners £5.4 billion
- Corporation Tax increases £23.7 billion
- other wibbly stuff £53.8 billion
Oh, and £14 billion from taxing dividends and capital gains the same as income tax - ouch!, very painful for lots of people who earn way below £80k.
Labour's funding plans are a mix of nonsense numbers and misleading politics.
pingu393 said:
I never like to encourage anyone to vote for Corbyn, but if you are on the fence and undecided about everything, he is the obvious choice.
Just a thought, is that a subliminal deliberate stance from Corby? He is undecided on everything, so anyone who is undecided have a natural bedfellow.
Your comment brought these to mind:-Just a thought, is that a subliminal deliberate stance from Corby? He is undecided on everything, so anyone who is undecided have a natural bedfellow.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:don'tbesilly said:
Worth remembering that quite a significant number of Johnson's colleagues also voted for May's deal at the third attempt, and they didn't vote for May's deal because of any pending vacancy anymore than Johnson did.
All those who voted for the deal have publicly stated why they did vote for the deal, it just suits people's agenda's to ignore such reasons.
Keep up the good work it's amusing all be it futile
What I say won't make a jot of difference and whatever I think of Johnson I'd sooner him than the only realistic alternative.All those who voted for the deal have publicly stated why they did vote for the deal, it just suits people's agenda's to ignore such reasons.
Keep up the good work it's amusing all be it futile
It's just funny seeing people like you jump to his defense.
Time after time after time.
People like you have a tendency to rewrite history to suit an agenda time and time again but get indignant when pulled up on it, live with it.
Brave Fart said:
Digga said:
The taxing of the top 5% will have widespread effects and increasing corporation tax is going to put huge pressure on struggling firms
Sorry to have edited your post for brevity. You're right of course, but I think people are unaware of these facts from Labour's Grey Book:- extra spending £82.9 billion
- impact of higher tax for top 5% of earners £5.4 billion
- Corporation Tax increases £23.7 billion
- other wibbly stuff £53.8 billion
Oh, and £14 billion from taxing dividends and capital gains the same as income tax - ouch!, very painful for lots of people who earn way below £80k.
Labour's funding plans are a mix of nonsense numbers and misleading politics.
I think Labour and there voters are working on the theory that the British economy is a set minimum size and the aim of the game is to wrestle as much from it as possible. That companies when push comes to shove won’t leave.
Which to a degree might be true. When I look down my industrial estate around 50-60% can’t leave the UK because they aren’t big enough and they are dependent on the local market. However the rest are all international companies that can and will move if the UK becomes a difficult environment.
Interesting that this morning McDonell pretty much admitted the UK will get worse for companies and they would have to make moral decision to stay or go.
Most companies don’t make moral decisions when it comes to there bottom line. I don’t mean that in a nasty way.
Which to a degree might be true. When I look down my industrial estate around 50-60% can’t leave the UK because they aren’t big enough and they are dependent on the local market. However the rest are all international companies that can and will move if the UK becomes a difficult environment.
Interesting that this morning McDonell pretty much admitted the UK will get worse for companies and they would have to make moral decision to stay or go.
Most companies don’t make moral decisions when it comes to there bottom line. I don’t mean that in a nasty way.
Brave Fart said:
Digga said:
The taxing of the top 5% will have widespread effects and increasing corporation tax is going to put huge pressure on struggling firms
Sorry to have edited your post for brevity. You're right of course, but I think people are unaware of these facts from Labour's Grey Book:- extra spending £82.9 billion
- impact of higher tax for top 5% of earners £5.4 billion
- Corporation Tax increases £23.7 billion
- other wibbly stuff £53.8 billion
Oh, and £14 billion from taxing dividends and capital gains the same as income tax - ouch!, very painful for lots of people who earn way below £80k.
Labour's funding plans are a mix of nonsense numbers and misleading politics.
Anyway analysis of the polls, still have it tighter than a gnats front bottom for Boris to get a working majority (enough to kill off the nutters in the party).
Datapraxis suggests that the 10point YouGov lead; gives a majority of 38 (down from the max 48) – BUT 90 constituencies are up for grabs (and really too tight to call).
The ComRes poll, puts the majority @ 8points; enough for 14.
The Opinium poll has the Cons with a 15% lead – looks like an outlier BUT never say die. With concentrated activism (Labour have over 3 times the activists) and 90 seats up for grabs – anything really is possible.
Bloomberg is running with “according to interviews with senior figures on BOTH sides”, they expect a Con majority in the 20-35 seat range. ALL conservatives have agreed to vote in favour of Boris’s WA.
Poll complacency (Cons) is a fallacy; the Opinium poll may spur those wavering voters / students out to vote. Basically everyone needs to vote.
Poll breakdowns:
Savanta ComRes (2034 surveyed) : Cons 41% / Lab 33% (8% lead) – Lab gain from Cons
Opinium (2003 surveyed): Cpns 46% / Lab 31% (15% lead) - Unchanged
YouGov (1680 surveyed): Cons 43% / Lab (10% lead)- Con gain, Lab unchanged
Delta (unknown): Cons: 44% / Lab 33% (11% lead) – Lab gain from Cons
There is a separate Remain United commissioned Savanta poll out there with Cons on a 6% lead; but looks to be excluded for obvious reasons. Gina is pushing for a Hung Parliament and is unhappy the media isn’t biting….
Oh, and GBP strengthened AGAIN aginst EUR today (highest for 2.5years) - and Cable is up 0.3% to 1.3183 (again just a market opinion where liquidity and risk reversal is on a dime).
McDonnell also on the box, baiscally saying - "f
k it, we've set our (deficit) sights higher than any opposition party ever done before"... In others words, we're making st up and have no idea to fund it. Digga might get his tyres and me a jetpack. Maybe McDonnell leanrt his economics from trading Bitcoin pumps.Edited by stongle on Monday 9th December 11:28
Edited by stongle on Monday 9th December 11:34
ntiz said:
Interesting that this morning McDonell pretty much admitted the UK will get worse for companies and they would have to make moral decision to stay or go.
Most companies don’t make moral decisions when it comes to their bottom line. I don’t mean that in a nasty way.
Agreed. And of course it isn't just large companies that would leave the UK, or move their HQ. It would be anyone of wealth that has the means to go elsewhere.Most companies don’t make moral decisions when it comes to their bottom line. I don’t mean that in a nasty way.
People like John McDonnell and his Momentum followers despise wealth. They would rather destroy wealth than see it flourish.
Hugh Grant's comments warmly welcomed on Aussie TV - https://www.facebook.com/leaveeuofficial/videos/60...
Brave Fart said:
Agreed. And of course it isn't just large companies that would leave the UK, or move their HQ. It would be anyone of wealth that has the means to go elsewhere.
People like John McDonnell and his Momentum followers despise wealth. They would rather destroy wealth than see it flourish.
Its not just businesses that would move, there would be a huge capital flight. I would move all my pension equity to outside UK funds.People like John McDonnell and his Momentum followers despise wealth. They would rather destroy wealth than see it flourish.
Brave Fart said:
ntiz said:
Interesting that this morning McDonell pretty much admitted the UK will get worse for companies and they would have to make moral decision to stay or go.
Most companies don’t make moral decisions when it comes to their bottom line. I don’t mean that in a nasty way.
Agreed. And of course it isn't just large companies that would leave the UK, or move their HQ. It would be anyone of wealth that has the means to go elsewhere.Most companies don’t make moral decisions when it comes to their bottom line. I don’t mean that in a nasty way.
People like John McDonnell and his Momentum followers despise wealth. They would rather destroy wealth than see it flourish.
The economy won’t notice the 30 jobs or 1.8 million in exports when I leave but if a few 100 like me move the country will notice.
It’s not all political but I am seriously looking at moving my manufacturing out of the country and registering my company else where.
Corbyn getting in would just make it go from a 2-3 year plan to a 1 year plan.
Mothersruin said:
Hugh Grant's comments warmly welcomed on Aussie TV - https://www.facebook.com/leaveeuofficial/videos/60...
Hugh Grant and the word modest, really ... the guy is a tool!Mothersruin said:
Hugh Grant's comments warmly welcomed on Aussie TV - https://www.facebook.com/leaveeuofficial/videos/60...
I'm looking forward to his tantrums on Friday.
Digga said:
Mothersruin said:
Hugh Grant's comments warmly welcomed on Aussie TV - https://www.facebook.com/leaveeuofficial/videos/60...
I'm looking forward to his tantrums on Friday.
ts & giggles - I wonder if these proponents of extra-democracy, the People's Vote types, will further accept the result or will they simply just ignore the will of the people again and have another massive tantrum?Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff