Poll: Election 2019
Total Members Polled: 1601
Discussion
Helicopter123 said:
The whole "let's blame the last Labour government" is sounding rather hollow after 9+ years of Tory rule though.
Austerity was a political choice, others chose something else (such as the US) and seemed to do much better post the global financial crisis.
The US Austerity was a political choice, others chose something else (such as the US) and seemed to do much better post the global financial crisis.
the last bastion of socialism where no one gets left behind.I've argued before that there's no real poverty in the UK, I certainly wouldn't do the same for the US, poor comparison IMO.
ChocolateFrog said:
Helicopter123 said:
The whole "let's blame the last Labour government" is sounding rather hollow after 9+ years of Tory rule though.
Austerity was a political choice, others chose something else (such as the US) and seemed to do much better post the global financial crisis.
The US Austerity was a political choice, others chose something else (such as the US) and seemed to do much better post the global financial crisis.
the last bastion of socialism where no one gets left behind.I've argued before that there's no real poverty in the UK, I certainly wouldn't do the same for the US, poor comparison IMO.
Just had a very nice chat with Dr luke Evans the prospective tory candidate for my constituency.
We agreed on more than we disagreed on and if the tory party had not launched the likes of boris JRM gove and pritel in to senior positions I would probably vote for him.
He will still get in as here a blue rosette is enough after all his predicessor believed homeopathy could cure aids.
We agreed on more than we disagreed on and if the tory party had not launched the likes of boris JRM gove and pritel in to senior positions I would probably vote for him.
He will still get in as here a blue rosette is enough after all his predicessor believed homeopathy could cure aids.
jsf said:
It will take 30 years and a shift in culture to fix the NHS. Just look at the reaction you get on the ground when its suggested foreigners are charged for care, as is the case everywhere else, they think it's a revolting idea, yet they don't see the link between that and the need for more funding.
Any chance what so ever of a cross party agreement on thirty years worth of nhs investment. A plan that would be adhered to by any government. Given that it is one of the lynchpins of our civilised equitable society? Of course not. Why? Cos labour. Cos Tory. Cos Brexit. Cos independence. Pathetic ain't it. You would think the most intelligent (allegedly), powerful people in the country could sit down, agree on nhs importance and sort things out. Carl_Manchester said:
The word on t
tter is that on some of the momentum whatapp groups the position will be to blame media bias (lol) and southern remainer's for the loss.
You can already see today, post the survation poll publication, many labour supporting accounts starting to try and pin the loss on the media bias.
Well it must be. Well known right wing mouthpiece the BBC has been relentless in its push for Leave.tter is that on some of the momentum whatapp groups the position will be to blame media bias (lol) and southern remainer's for the loss.You can already see today, post the survation poll publication, many labour supporting accounts starting to try and pin the loss on the media bias.
Vanden Saab said:
Carl_Manchester said:
I am going to start to stockpile some booze in readyness for this Thursday evening for the all-nighter.
I was thinking about some wine but it lacks the staying power and I might hedge my bets with some lager.
I have a bottle of Schnapple in the cooler for exactly this purpose... I was thinking about some wine but it lacks the staying power and I might hedge my bets with some lager.
biggbn said:
I can only suggest if my posts have hit such a chord with you that you feel I need singled out for criticism, don't read them. I will continue to read yours, and everyone's on subjects that interest me. Only way to learn, to grow. Cheers, Gbn
If it is any consolation, I think your posts are among the better and more balanced ones on here, so keep them coming! I can't promise to agree with you, I'm afraid, but I much prefer your posts to the likes of Helicopter 123 who must be the most biased poster on here. Or Mobile Chicane, who appears to be having a day off. Edited by biggbn on Monday 9th December 16:47
Carl_Manchester said:
The word on ttter is that on some of the momentum whatapp groups the position will be to blame media bias (lol) and southern remainer's for the loss.
You can already see today, post the survation poll publication, many labour supporting accounts starting to try and pin the loss on the media bias.
Missed that...tter is that on some of the momentum whatapp groups the position will be to blame media bias (lol) and southern remainer's for the loss.You can already see today, post the survation poll publication, many labour supporting accounts starting to try and pin the loss on the media bias.
Conservatives: 45% (+2)
Labour: 31% (-2)
Liberal Democrat: 11% (0)
The Brexit Party: 4% (+1)
Green: 2% (-2)
Another party (inc Plaid Cymru and SNP): 7% (0)
oyster said:
What should have been cut to prevent that increase in debt Helicopter123?
Nothing needs to be cut.All you need to do is tax Amazon more and a few billionaires and everything is sorted.
nickgnome has suggested a few times that there should be an IQ test before you can vote. It's not a bad idea, but I doubt the results would necessarily go the way he might think.
Helicopter123 said:
Dont like rolls said:
Helicopter123 said:
9+ years of Tory government and this is the state of our NHS.
https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/people...
I hope that, whatever the outcome of the election, our NHS gets the management it desperately needs.
https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/people...
I hope that, whatever the outcome of the election, our NHS gets the management it desperately needs.
Why haven't they in 9 + years?
It seems no matter how many absurd number of billions get thrown at it there will always be cases of the above photo as the spikes in A+E admissions leave thin resources stretched even further. Isolated incidents of the above does not mean the NHS is in crisis either, it's just used as an easy stick to beat the oposing parties with to gain support.
bhstewie said:
Coached by two-jabs Presclot vid?!hstewie said:Brave Fart said:
biggbn said:
I can only suggest if my posts have hit such a chord with you that you feel I need singled out for criticism, don't read them. I will continue to read yours, and everyone's on subjects that interest me. Only way to learn, to grow. Cheers, Gbn
If it is any consolation, I think your posts are among the better and more balanced ones on here, so keep them coming! I can't promise to agree with you, I'm afraid, but I much prefer your posts to the likes of Helicopter 123 who must be the most biased poster on here. Or Mobile Chicane, who appears to be having a day off. Edited by biggbn on Monday 9th December 16:47
bhstewie said:
I hope they catch who ever and prosecute, no place in this country for political violence from any sidehstewie said:turbobloke said:
bhstewie said:
Coached by two-jabs Presclot vid?!hstewie said:
Nickgnome said:
It was often stated many decades ago that the NHS needed +2-3% above inflation to keep pace with technological change and advances in medicine. i.e. we can do more now.
Taking illegal immigration out of the equation it is interesting to see that on average the UK has seen about 300,000 immigrants per annum for the last decade. The only difference recently is that it has stopped from Eu to Non Eu bias. 50k + 250k recently I understand.
My point is that your information was selective so no meaningful analysis can be made.
It may be taken at face value by some who choose not to interrogate data, but many of us have had to undertake levelling of data as part of our day job.
The levelled data will paint, quite a different picture.
Produce the data please, not what your sister or daughter pays in the US (you are falling into the anecdotal trap off the bat). Taking illegal immigration out of the equation it is interesting to see that on average the UK has seen about 300,000 immigrants per annum for the last decade. The only difference recently is that it has stopped from Eu to Non Eu bias. 50k + 250k recently I understand.
My point is that your information was selective so no meaningful analysis can be made.
It may be taken at face value by some who choose not to interrogate data, but many of us have had to undertake levelling of data as part of our day job.
The levelled data will paint, quite a different picture.
The NHS funding issue is a structural deficit hangover from the last Labour govt. As has been explained by dozens of posters now, we either gradually reduced the deficit YoY, or immediately cut 150bn from the budget. Doing that WOULD have saved 20bn a year in interest payments (so a healthy sum to the NHS) - but that's not possible.
I suspect any impact of immigration, illegal or not has much real effect on NHS spend. By far and large the biggest factor at play on funding ANYTHING in the UK is the deficit hangover. And if you had been keeping up, Brown and Darling had been given a smallish pass for having to deal with a s
te situation (but that's an entirely different topic).Again, if you don't understand basic government funding, you cannot validate the Labour Manifesto - it's like supporting free crisps. Producing a manifesto you know you have zero chance of delivery, makes you the biggest bulls
tter in this election. There are lots of reasons to do fiscal spend and investment, it can quickly produce 1 to 1 growth (needed for inflation); but there is a sustainability limit. That limit is higher than we think (given protracted long term low interest rates); but not in orbit like Labour want us to believe.
Pretending that the Conservatives blew up the debt, were fiscally largesse; or didn't have to take tough calls is the stuff of story books. Its explained many times over - but some are not interested.
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