Poll: Election 2019
Total Members Polled: 1601
Discussion
k the Tories" Snow wanted. 
Electro1980 said:
R Mutt said:
Twitter is going mental because BoJo has written a book referencing Jewish stereotypes.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bor...
Except it's a novel.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jul/17/bori...
"A hostage thriller in which an ambulance plays the role of the wooden horse the Greeks built to fool the Trojans, Seventy-Two Virgins is structurally audacious. Its 336 pages cover just three and a half hours in Westminster, during which a terrorist group of suicide bombers, whom the narrative voice calls “Islamofascists”, targets the visiting US president, as he gives a speech in Westminster Hall."
"But there are comic riffs on the promise to jihadists of a posthumous reward orgy that gives Seventy-Two Virgins its title"
The Guardian's critique of the slurs was milder at a less politically leveraged time 6 months ago. But even they take issue with something that is deservedly widely mocked, most notably and hilariously in the film Four Lions. Except that's written by their one of their own, Chris Morris.
Quite a difference between a thriller using those stereotypes (no matter how bad) and a farce mocking them.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bor...
Except it's a novel.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jul/17/bori...
"A hostage thriller in which an ambulance plays the role of the wooden horse the Greeks built to fool the Trojans, Seventy-Two Virgins is structurally audacious. Its 336 pages cover just three and a half hours in Westminster, during which a terrorist group of suicide bombers, whom the narrative voice calls “Islamofascists”, targets the visiting US president, as he gives a speech in Westminster Hall."
"But there are comic riffs on the promise to jihadists of a posthumous reward orgy that gives Seventy-Two Virgins its title"
The Guardian's critique of the slurs was milder at a less politically leveraged time 6 months ago. But even they take issue with something that is deservedly widely mocked, most notably and hilariously in the film Four Lions. Except that's written by their one of their own, Chris Morris.
Edited by R Mutt on Tuesday 10th December 20:06
What about a work that makes a farce of racists but employs racial stereotypes in the process? Even Warren Mitchell did not hold the views of the character he portrayed yet became the villain himself.
When writers create characters to parody the ignorant, and in turn their views how do you separate these personas?
Martin Amis often caricatures the poor. Should I consider this the manifestation of his class prejudice? And when those characters racially abuse another character, should I assume that is an extension of his own racism?
The bias is in the eye of the reader I'm afraid.
R Mutt said:
So in the context of mocking a Jihadist the portrayal of any racial or religious characteristics is fair game because it's laughable or because it's true or because it isn't the writer's own bias against Jihadists?
What about a work that makes a farce of racists but employs racial stereotypes in the process? Even Warren Mitchell did not hold the views of the character he portrayed yet became the villain himself.
When writers create characters to parody the ignorant, and in turn their views how do you separate these personas?
Martin Amis often caricatures the poor. Should I consider this the manifestation of his class prejudice? And when those characters racially abuse another character, should I assume that is an extension of his own racism?
The bias is in the eye of the reader I'm afraid.
Wrong thread mate you need ‘GCSE English Lit Mock Papers’. They’re over there second door on the left.What about a work that makes a farce of racists but employs racial stereotypes in the process? Even Warren Mitchell did not hold the views of the character he portrayed yet became the villain himself.
When writers create characters to parody the ignorant, and in turn their views how do you separate these personas?
Martin Amis often caricatures the poor. Should I consider this the manifestation of his class prejudice? And when those characters racially abuse another character, should I assume that is an extension of his own racism?
The bias is in the eye of the reader I'm afraid.
R Mutt said:
So in the context of mocking a Jihadist the portrayal of any racial or religious characteristics is fair game because it's laughable or because it's true or because it isn't the writer's own bias against Jihadists?
What about a work that makes a farce of racists but employs racial stereotypes in the process? Even Warren Mitchell did not hold the views of the character he portrayed yet became the villain himself.
When writers create characters to parody the ignorant, and in turn their views how do you separate these personas?
Martin Amis often caricatures the poor. Should I consider this the manifestation of his class prejudice? And when those characters racially abuse another character, should I assume that is an extension of his own racism?
The bias is in the eye of the reader I'm afraid.
These are excellent points on something I am giving a lot of thought to at the moment. What about a work that makes a farce of racists but employs racial stereotypes in the process? Even Warren Mitchell did not hold the views of the character he portrayed yet became the villain himself.
When writers create characters to parody the ignorant, and in turn their views how do you separate these personas?
Martin Amis often caricatures the poor. Should I consider this the manifestation of his class prejudice? And when those characters racially abuse another character, should I assume that is an extension of his own racism?
The bias is in the eye of the reader I'm afraid.
R Mutt said:
So in the context of mocking a Jihadist the portrayal of any racial or religious characteristics is fair game because it's laughable or because it's true or because it isn't the writer's own bias against Jihadists?
What about a work that makes a farce of racists but employs racial stereotypes in the process? Even Warren Mitchell did not hold the views of the character he portrayed yet became the villain himself.
When writers create characters to parody the ignorant, and in turn their views how do you separate these personas?
Martin Amis often caricatures the poor. Should I consider this the manifestation of his class prejudice? And when those characters racially abuse another character, should I assume that is an extension of his own racism?
The bias is in the eye of the reader I'm afraid.
I haven't read the background but i can say religion itself is farcical so it's portrayal as such is fair game. What about a work that makes a farce of racists but employs racial stereotypes in the process? Even Warren Mitchell did not hold the views of the character he portrayed yet became the villain himself.
When writers create characters to parody the ignorant, and in turn their views how do you separate these personas?
Martin Amis often caricatures the poor. Should I consider this the manifestation of his class prejudice? And when those characters racially abuse another character, should I assume that is an extension of his own racism?
The bias is in the eye of the reader I'm afraid.
Religion deserves just as much ridicule as the local psychic taxi driver.
Mothersruin said:
ChocolateFrog said:
The pro labour rhetoric from the media seems to have gone into overdrive today.
They know Labour is not looking good.
When full-on-leftie Polly writes such utter crass trash like this. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/indepth/be-very-afr...
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dandarez said:
You know when Labour has lost and Boris is going to win handsomely.
When full-on-leftie Polly writes such utter crass trash like this.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/indepth/be-very-afr...
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It's pretty rare that I read an opinion piece where I disagree with every single thing she says. She really does come across as hysterical which I suppose is a good sign for the Conservatives. When full-on-leftie Polly writes such utter crass trash like this. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/indepth/be-very-afr...
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when your candidate only has one good point.
V6 Pushfit said:
biggbn said:
These are excellent points on something I am giving a lot of thought to at the moment.
... on a bike!! Really? That he's open to, and will consider, an alternative point of view and perhaps change his position - it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
Mothersruin said:
V6 Pushfit said:
biggbn said:
These are excellent points on something I am giving a lot of thought to at the moment.
... on a bike!! Really? That he's open to, and will consider, an alternative point of view and perhaps change his position - it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
Some of my favourite books, Josef Conrad's 'Heart of Darkness' and Harper Lee's 'To kill a mockingbird' have racially inflamatory words and images in them but they are integral to the plot and illustrate the historic period the works are set. I do not think Johnson has the excuse of historicity but he may have the excuse of plot. If however, they are just casually used as descriptors in a narrative fashion, I cannot see why he would choose to use them. But, again, this is conjecture and as tempting as it is to play the man rather than the ball, I would rather find more out and give it some thought.
Hippie that I am, and paraphrasing Timothy Leary, I believe a mind once expanded will never return to its original shape, and it must remain open in order to expand.
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